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For 25 to Life, the hits just keep on coming.
In the latest bad news for Eidos' controversial cops & robbers shooter, Salt Lake Weekly reports that Utah's Attorney General Mark Shurtleff will ask retailers not to stock the game when it ships in 2006. Shurtleff thus joins Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) as well as the families of slain police officers in his opposition to 25 to Life.
As reported on GamePolitics and elsewhere, on Monday Eidos canceled a planned October release date for the beleaguered game. The reasons behind the schedule change are not known. Of the delay, CEO Bill Gardner said cryptically that it was being done, "in the best interest of the business."
The Salt Lake Weekly took a dim editorial view of Shurtleff's position, saying in part, "With citizens' groups cranking up the family values meter, it isn't surprising that politicians who should know better are getting in on the act...Shurtleff, often a reasonable guy, appears to be running for something with recent moves to restrain trade of businesses he doesn't like. The AG says he'll ask retailers not to stock a video game, 25 to Life...Some police groups accuse it of glorifying crime, even if it's only a video game..."
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I never did understand the prime directive.
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September 29 2005, 00:02:38 UTC 6 years ago
the rest of the rant. :)
tee hee
September 29 2005, 01:01:44 UTC 6 years ago
Re: the rest of the rant. :)
"Shurtleff earlier called for a law to remove fruit-flavored, low-alcohol beverages from grocery store shelves. They pack less punch than Utah 3.2 beer, but Shurtleff cited a study stating that girls like them"...the hell?!
September 29 2005, 00:11:00 UTC 6 years ago
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I concur. If I had known a few months ago that the makers of 25 to Life were based in the blandest state of them all, I'd have seen this coming. And Avalanche should have too. But I'll credit them for having balls.
I am surprised at that site's take on the issue though. You'd think they'd be kissing this guy's ass like no tommorrow. Good on them for having some fucking sense.
September 29 2005, 01:26:19 UTC 6 years ago
Wait, hold the phone...
"...Some police groups accuse it of glorifying crime, even if it's only a video game..."Stereotype alert.
September 29 2005, 01:52:41 UTC 6 years ago
Re: Wait, hold the phone...
Yeah, because movies like the Godfather and Scarface never glorified any crime.If you can play as the police, that would be glorifing justice. See, both sides get equal representation!
September 29 2005, 02:45:27 UTC 6 years ago
The evil vogue!!!111one
From the Salt Lake Weekly-"..and wrapping Vogue covers in brown paper."
There right! We have to teach our coddled children that reading Vogue is a bigger sin then Communism and Flag burning combined!
September 29 2005, 04:19:45 UTC 6 years ago
Re: The evil vogue!!!111one
Another boycott, these people are crazy.September 29 2005, 04:38:09 UTC 6 years ago
common sense is not that common
I had a little talk with my sister about this, and she gave me an Awesome quote.."in this world you are going to find that Common sense is an Uncommon thing"
Get this, she's a none gamer, and she still Thinks jt and the rest are whack jobs.
Double Owned I say.
September 29 2005, 10:55:47 UTC 6 years ago
Re: common sense is not that common
I think if most people knew the kind of person JT was, they be very wary of anything he said. As for that quote, it's nice that someone finally put the obvious into words, though I've heard that being uttered by people before.Anonymous
September 29 2005, 10:41:12 UTC 6 years ago
Jack Thompson Has Been Cloned!
Damn!Anonymous
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September 29 2005, 14:26:56 UTC 6 years ago
Jack is a Whack job, of that I have no doubt.
Well, I just attempted to have, a conversation with jack in order to clarifiy some of his views, and as I suspected, we were right.Jack Thompson is indeed engaged in a personal vedetta against the game industry. Before I even began HE attempted to turn the call into a debate, then hung up without provocation. So I called him back. Now, here was my main issue, and here was his respone.
I explained that I had noted, in the past, he seemed to be aiming for child saftey, but as of late his views seemed to have shifted. I was curious as to what his goal was. His answer, and I quote "Anything to cripple this industry, I am behind"
Before I could move on to my second point, he hung up yet again. It strikes me as odd that though I was nothing but civil to him, he was rude, abrasive, and argumentitive from the get go.
Its clear to me now why he has lost all his court cases. Regardless of his law degree, jack is unwilling to see anything other then his own views, and this is why the court, time and again, has shot him down.
I'm toying with the idea of calling back, but I've come to understand that it may be a waste. I simply wanted to get some points clarified for my own records on this debate, and he acted with the maturity of a child.
That a man of his years would be afraid to debate logicly and civily, and prefers to resort to name calling and rudeness, is a shame, and makes me think that insulting him is exactly what he wants us to do. He needs the attention, cause he knows without fear, all his arguments mean nothing.
If anyone wants to call him and challange him, thats fine, but me, I'll wait for him to call back. I prefer to talke to civil, intelligent people like those here, rather then to trade insults with a man who clearly has lost sight of what truly made america great.
Freedom
Equality
Tollerance
Growth
Jack Thompson is stuck in the past, locked in his own little world, and I think it best for us all to just leave him there and turn our attention to those who might actually be willing to listen to intelligent to debate. Yee may be a bit extreme, but I would be willing to bet that even he, is not that far out of touch.
September 29 2005, 21:04:22 UTC 6 years ago
Re: Jack is a Whack job, of that I have no doubt.
The exact same thing happened to me. EXACTLY. Unfortunately, you just cannot talk with him about anything. He is unwilling to have a logical conversation. He calls you names, and hangs up on you, and then tries to blame you for attempting to understand. Me personally, I will never talk to the man again, or call him ever again. I don't believe anybody should even acknowledge him at this point. We don't need to listen because he has absolutely nothing constructive to add to these problems. He has lost all credibility with me, and what's worse is that I have lost all respect for him. I think his behavior is unprofessional and I think he gives lawyers a very bad name.I refuse to acknowledge him as he is simply, in my opinion, a hindrance to the issues that need to be solved.
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September 29 2005, 14:56:15 UTC 6 years ago
yeah
A violent video game should be the least of everyone's problems. If people really want to be angry about something, they should be angry about how it took so long for FEMA to response to Hurricane Katrina and the fact that gas is over $3.00 bucks a gallon and that are soldiers are being killed left and right and all of the other crap that is going within the world and within are own government.September 29 2005, 15:01:55 UTC 6 years ago
A Scoreboard would help!
Geez, the number of games being attacked is certainly on the rise! I mean wow! The legislation and public outcries against certain games are just going through the roof! We could use a scoreboard to keep tabs on all the games that are getting the cold shoulder, and then BUY them! :) (j/k)Anyway, let's see here...
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas - (Two Words: Hot Coffee)
25 To Life - (Cops don't like it because you can play as robbers too)
187: Ride or Die - (I think the outcry this fell flat when the game SUCKED!)
Marc Ecko's Getting Up: Contents Under Pressure - (Graffitti in New York? Get out of town!)
True Crime: New York City - (The last game had freakin' Snoop Dogg, a guy in a Sandwich costume, and floating skulls. Worried? NAH!)
NARC - (great arcade game, BAD concept for a bargain bin update!)
Bully - (Oh no! You can hurl dodgeballs and use a slingshot! The horror!)
The Sims 2 - (Oh wait! False Alarm! My Bad!)
Killer 7 - (What were those Japanese developers thinking? Weren't they sensitive to American viewpoints!)
I think that about covers the more recent flag raisings as of 2005. Anything pre-'05 is not being counted.
Now... are there any games that I missed?
~Otaku-Man
September 29 2005, 16:46:38 UTC 6 years ago
Re: A Scoreboard would help!
We could use a scoreboard to keep tabs on all the games that are getting the cold shoulder, and then BUY them!Thanks for the update, but i must politely decline the request to buy NARC &/or 187: Ride or Die. ;)
Ever notice that no one got wildly worked up over Hugh Hefner's game, I guess he is too strong to oppose.
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Does Jack hate all games, or just violent ones?
Which is it?September 29 2005, 17:25:30 UTC 6 years ago
Re: Does Jack hate all games, or just violent ones?
Just violent ones. He only jumped on the Hot Coffee bandwagon because it lent support to his "R* conspiracy" theory. The one where all violent games are made for and advertised to 10 year olds.6 years ago
September 29 2005, 18:22:07 UTC 6 years ago
Re: UK Manhunt case
rofl. Her's his interview on IGN.http://ps2.ign.com/articles/536/536062p
It was the BBC & the police, not a "gaming magazine".
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/leic
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/leic
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/leic
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/leic
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/leic
As for the lawsuit, the Times reported that they had sued, and Jack claims that's false. I'm inclined to believe him, since he didn't list it among his "accomplishments".
Later the father tried to sue on his own, but I don't think Jack was involved in that. He represented the mother in the initial threats to the company.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/a
Quote from 2004 report to the British Video Standards Council.
September 29 2005, 18:23:29 UTC 6 years ago
Re: opps, one more link
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4for that VSC quote.
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September 29 2005, 22:19:10 UTC 6 years ago
Games in modern culture
http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cOne of the most thought out, non-bias articles I've ever seen.
September 29 2005, 22:33:08 UTC 6 years ago
Re: Games in modern culture
"One of the most though out, non-bis articles I've ever seen."Yes! There is now an article out now that actually shows the crap others have been throwing out, and is, as you said, non-bias!!!
Also, it gives some very intreaging facts about age and violent aggressions that gamers get (almost zero)
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September 30 2005, 06:33:01 UTC 6 years ago
Schumer Kept Quiet
I just got done watching The Daily Show which had Charles Schumer as a guest. He didn't say anthing about 25 to Life. I guess I was wrong, but I'm glad. I would have hated to have to send him an angry letter. :)Anonymous
September 30 2005, 11:52:44 UTC 6 years ago
-Vader
Jesus... Now we have leaders to boy cott a video game??? thats it I am am going to Jinx and buy a gamer. shirt...