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Did Rockstar Circumvent the ESRB Rating System?

The rating system devised by the Entertainment Software Rating Board (ESRB) is the video game industry's first line of defense against politicians and parents who are critical of game content. But what happens if game companies don't play by the rating rules?

Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas is one of the most popular - and most reviled - video games of all time. Fans love it for its depth and gritty realism. Critics, who point to the game's extreme violence, sexual themes and simulated gang activity, complain that too often GTA:SA finds its way into the hands of younger players.

Legislators seeking to limit children's access to violent games invariably focus on the Grand Theft Auto series. Hillary Clinton ripped it. So did Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich, and Washington, D.C. Councilman Adrian Fenty. In the face of such criticism the video game industry consistently falls back on two lines of defense. As mentioned, the first of these is the ESRB rating system. Grand Theft Auto series titles have always earned "M" (mature) ratings, indicating that the games are intended for players 17 and older.

But game modders recently demonstrated a tweak to the GTA:SA code that allows players to watch graphic animated scenes featuring oral sex, nudity, and simulated intercourse. The so-called "Hot Coffee" mod reveals erotic scenes which are not part of the unmodified game play experience. The animations are so explicit that they likely would have earned GTA:SA an "AO" (adults only) rating - had the ESRB only known about them. An "AO" rating would severely impact sales, since most large retailers would decline to carry a game with an adults only rating.

The question remains, did naughty coders at Rockstar, developer of GTA:SA, slip the hidden sex animations into the game for modders to unlock, or were the animations created by the modders themselves? In an exclusive e-mail interview, "PatrickW," a Dutch modder, told GamePolitics how he unlocked the sex animations, which he claims were placed on the game disc by Rockstar. Our contact with PatrickW started when he commented on a June 17th GamePolitics feature on the GTA:SA sex animations.

"Hi everyone, my name is PatrickW from the netherlands, and I created the HOT COFFEE mod for San Andreas. I can confirm (and proof if needed), that all the code, models, textures and animations for the XXX interactive scene's are present on R*'s release DVD. The only thing that is needed to unlock it, is toggling a single bit. Also the fully nude models that are featured in a seperate version of the HOT COFFEE mod are present on the R* DVD. In addition to to the scene's that are featured in the movie that is circulating the internet, there is also a S&M type game that has been unlocked..."

In recent days GamePolitics asked PatrickW to furnish more proof that the animations were on the disc and not created by either himself or other modders. Here is his reply:

"Well how do you prove such a thing... it depends on how sceptic your
editor is. For a 100% proof I would recommend the following scenario:

* Do a clean install of San Andreas.
* Get hold of a savefile, where you have a high-relation level with one
or more of your girlfriends
(use your own savefile or gtagarage.com has some savefiles available
for download).
* On a different PC patch the savefile with the sacensor.exe tool (
giving the name of the savefile as only commandline parameter to the
sacensor tool)
* If needed, confirm with a binary editor that only 1 or two bytes have
changed in the savefile
* Move the savefile to the PC with San Andreas on it, and load the savefile.
* Go on a date with one of your girlfriends, and you when she invites
you for coffee, the animations will be shown.

An easier way is to invite me, put me behind a PC with the original SA
dvd and a hex-editor. and I'll patch the game with you guys as my witnesses :)
"

What is Rockstar saying about these animations? Nothing. A voice mail left with their New York press contact was not returned. How about Take 2 Interactive, publisher of GTA:SA? They're not saying much, either. A press contact for Take 2 offered only this: "We don't comment on the work of the mod community."

It's worth pointing out that neither Rockstar nor Take 2 ever confirmed or denied placing the sex animations on the disc, despite being given ample opportunity to do so by GamePolitics.

Does the existence of the Hot Coffee sex animations trouble D.C. Councilman Fenty?

"It absolutely does," Fenty told GamePolitics. "I'm wondering if there is a real thoroughness to the review process." Fenty also expressed concern that game publishers could slip questionable content past the ESRB.

So what is the ESRB saying?

Executive Director Patricia Vance told GamePolitics in a June 20th e-mail, "We are currently looking into this situation. We do not know the source of the content nor the code that was created to access it. As always, we will ensure that all ESRB rules and regulations were properly followed by those participating in the rating process."

A few days later the ESRB's Public Relations Director Eliot Mizrachi added that the organization has taken action against publishers in the past for violating terms of the rating submissions system. He would not, however, elaborate on which companies or which games he was referring to.

"ESRB does not discuss the specifics of enforcement actions," he said. "However there are various means by which ESRB can hold publishers accountable. These include monetary fines, penalties, and/or corrective actions, such as re-stickering, and even a full product recall, if deemed necessary."

GamePolitics also asked for a copy of the questionnaire which the ESRB requires game companies to complete when submitting a title for evaluation. Mizrachi declined to release the document, but did agree to talk about it.

"The questionnaire is comprehensive and legally binds a publisher to fully disclose all pertinent content. This includes, but is not limited to content containing violence, language, sex and sexuality, gambling, alcohol, tobacco and drug references, etc. The content rated by ESRB includes any elements found in the gameplay itself, including all characters, dialogue, lyrics, props, backgrounds, full-motion videos, starting and ending sequences, advertisements, product placements, as well as bonus materials and hidden elements such as Easter eggs, cheat codes and locked levels. It is important to emphasize that the questionnaire is only one component of submission materials, which also requires a videotape of all pertinent content disclosed in the written questionnaire, and can also include soundtracks, scripts, lyrics sheets, game builds, etc. All of these submission materials are reviewed by ESRB for completeness."

So what shape would the ESRB's investigation take? Mizrachi wouldn't say.

"These types of circumstances are obviously dealt with on a case-by-case basis since they are all unique, he said. ESRB will do whatever is necessary to enforce its rules and regulations."

As this GamePolitics investigative report wraps up, here is what we know:

- a knowledgeable modder describes his method and claims that Rockstar left the sex animations on the game disc of all three versions (PS2, Xbox, and PC) of GTA:SA

- the developer (Rockstar) has not returned a phone call and the publisher (Take 2) will not comment, not even to deny that the sex animations were intentionally or even inadvertently left on the game disc

- a privately run rating body (ESRB) is investigating, but won't reveal what it finds. Perhaps that's not surprising, since the companies that it is investigating essentially pay its bills. The ESRB is not answerable to parents, to government, or to the media.

- the ESRB rating system is the lynchpin of the video game industry's voluntary content compliance program. And until the game industry explains just what happened here, and more importantly, what they are doing about it, parents may have a very difficult time relying on the ESRB system in the future.




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Could mean change
(Anonymous)
2005-07-01 07:21 am UTC (link)
If such content is still on the disc, Rockstar could recall existing copies and re-release them with the scenes deleted, or at least take it out of future copies. They have done this with their previous two games: in Australia, they removed the feature with the prostitutes, and with Vice City, they removed the "Kill all the Haitians" line. I do hope they do so if this is indeed true, as this can put them in hot water.

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Re: Could mean change
[info]gamepolitics
2005-07-01 02:59 pm UTC (link)
That's true. I think the larger issue, however, is that we may never know how this plays out because the ESRB has no public accountability.

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my thoughts
(Anonymous)
2005-07-01 03:14 pm UTC (link)
I started reading gamepolitics not long ago and have read every entry available. I thought it was about time someone did something like this.

However, it appears that over time sensationalism has become the rule of the day. I don't like jack thompson one bit! But if you read the reports no judge told him to shut up it was a general warning to all involved that stopped short of a gag order.

And now this business with rockstar... they didn't deny it but they didn't confirm it either. I agree that the issue with modders is interesting because the product is being altered in a manner not intended, and usually ignored. But one could argue that rockstar "knew" someone would do it.

Still, I don't appreciate your slowly escalating sensationalist slants.

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Re: my thoughts
[info]gamepolitics
2005-07-01 03:35 pm UTC (link)
I appreciate your feedback. We're not trying to be sensational, but we are trying to make GamePolitics interesting to read, topical, and definitely not dry.

On the Thompson thing, the headline was rather tongue-in-cheek, as he is such a polarizing figure, and predominantly unpopular (to say the least) with gamers. And it was clear that Thompson was who the judge was talking about, since Jack had apparently issued a press release and is known to have appeared on 60 Minutes and twice on CNN's Nancy Grace a few days prior.

With this issue, the Hot Coffee mod is clearly already out there and being talked about. It needed more in-depth follow-up, which is why we approached the key players: Rockstar, Take 2, PatrickW, and the ESRB.

Rockstar and Take 2 were not at all forthcoming despite having over a week to get back in touch. It's not the same as an admission of guilt, but on an issue with so much potential for bad press, wouldn't a denial, if it were thruthful, make eminent good sense?

The ESRB did come through with some relevant information. However, as things now stand we in the public will never know what happened here. Did they find Rockstar violated the terms or not? If they did, what action was taken? How can parents and lawmakers be assured something like this will not happen again?

The topic itself *is* a little provocative, being laden with sexual content. I can't help that, it wasn't my doing. I am only reporting on it since it is definitely relevant given all of the current legislation and the game industry's defense of same.

In any event, we definitely want to be taken seriously in our reporting. We are in this for the long haul. Your comments are important, and will have me thinking over how we phrase things. Thanks for posting.

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Re: my thoughts
(Anonymous)
2005-07-01 08:32 pm UTC (link)
Let me see if I understand this. A game intended for 17 year olds MIGHT be modifiable to include scenes that MIGHT only be suitable for 18 year olds, and you are representing the public's interest to find out? Thanks. What a difference that answer would make. When you get back to America from outer space you'll learn that politicians are treating the past-time of millions of adults as if games are only kids stuff. You're encouraging demogauges, you know. They despise the culture of gaming, sir, these people who pick on the gtas, halos, etc. They use the more risque adult games to exploit the misperception that only kids play games and they are making fun of you and me both. I don't need to modify my games to enjoy them, but if I did, I wouldn't expect it to be rated by the ratings people. Why don't you tell your mod source to submit his version of the game to the ESRB? That seems like more of a public service than a witch hunt and another round of free publicity for the game everybody either already has or is already convinced is dangerous. I like the game, but my god it's not the only game in the world with hidden content. This type of stuff is exactly why people are freaking out about games and exactly why adult gamers are looked down on as freaks. I wanted to write the other day when you joined the people attacking 25 to Life before they've seen it. Who's your audience? People who play games or people who play the public?

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Re: my thoughts
[info]gamepolitics
2005-07-01 09:37 pm UTC (link)
Don't shoot the messenger.

I track video game legislation and as you probably are aware, GTA comes up in every case. So do ESRB ratings. The ESRB system is one of the foundations upon which the gaming industry bases its defense. If the developers of a hugely selling & hugely controversial game like GTA:SA are circumventing the ESRB system, that's news, my friend.

You need to understand that I don't run this site to push the agenda of the video game industry, nor do I run it for the Jack Thompsons and Rod Blagojevichs of the world either. I report the news as I find it. I'd like to get at the truth more than anything else.

If the Schumer comments bothered you, I wish you would have commented. Perhaps you noted that my perspective there was that "Schumer wasn't wrong." I never said he was right, and I never condemned the game. I think that people have a right to be offended by games and to express that concern. That First Amendment stuff cuts both ways. My take there was that I was conflicted, and still am. It's okay to agree that games are protected speech and it's okay to be troubled by that speech.

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Re: my thoughts
(Anonymous)
2005-07-02 12:04 am UTC (link)
"I report the news as I find it." Of course, but your opinions are never far behind and they are of the conspiratorial, games are scary type that politicians express. Nevertheless, you're right, just because I don't believe it's interesting doesn't mean you shouldn't report it, but mods change games all the time. How can the ratings board deal with that? And why do you talk like a politician? "My perspective there was that 'Schumer wasn't wrong.' I never said he was right, and I never condemned the game." The more you explain your reasoning, the more you sound like a person making politics, i.e., divisions, and less like a legit journalist covering those divisions. Do you have an editor or a colleague to bounce ideas off of? If not, perhaps you could be a little more open to criticism from those people who actually care about what you're doing.

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Re: my thoughts
[info]gamepolitics
2005-07-02 12:28 am UTC (link)
I do offer some opinions, but if it's a pure opinion piece it's clearly headlined as an editorial, as in the Schumer piece.

My point in phrasing it that "Schumer wasn't wrong" was to reflect the conflicted nature of my feelings on 25 to Life. I'm not for censorship, but I am also uncomfortable playing a game where you run around shooting cops, I can see how non-gamers especially would be very uncomfortable with that and would want to express it.

This GTA piece isn't about the game being scary. Despite its content we can all agree that Rockstar are masters of the art form. But the political landscape is a rocky one for games just now. If companies aren't going to play by the rules (i.e. full content disclosure for ratings), that's news because it's going to be picked up and turned against GTA and the industry as a whole.

I am open to criticism and I'm glad for your feedback. I can only say that I know that I won't please everyone in every piece. I try to keep in mind that both sides have an agenda. Power for politicians, money for companies. The creative types are artists, I recognize that, and that's who I respect the most in all of this...

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Re: my thoughts
(Anonymous)
2005-07-02 12:55 am UTC (link)
I haven’t seen the story in 25 to Life because it's not out yet, so I don't have any opinions about it. Anyway, thanks for admitting you just don't like violent content. You're not alone. Just say that and stop being all phony Bob Woodward on us. (Btw, even if 25 to Life turns out to be a sucky, sensationalistic game, I wish we could stop confusing game violence with reality. You said "you run around shooting cops." I don't believe the people who made Gone With the Wind were promoting slavery, the most violent thing to ever happen in America. Do you?

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Re: my thoughts
[info]gamepolitics
2005-07-02 01:49 am UTC (link)
Actually, I don't mind a lot of violent games... Battlefield series is a favorite. Not big on the "true crime" genre, however. Played a lot of FPS and RPG and RTS with plenty o' death and destruction... LOL

I take your point on Gone with the Wind. But certain symbols, even in a game, have the capacity to make some people uneasy. I wouldn't want to play a Sept. 11th game for example, or a game where any certain ethnic group is the target... It's not an easy question. It can be a very personal choice. For example, I have been playing Destroy All Humans! on the Xbox of late. You as an alien need to kill cops in that game, but it's a campy, cartoonish ray gun zapping thing, not the type I expect we'll see in 25 to Life.

In any event, I kind of expect 25 to Life to be another NARC, well maybe not THAT bad, but Sen. Schumer, for all his good intentions, is heaping gobs of free publicity on the game...

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Re: my thoughts
(Anonymous)
2005-07-02 09:51 am UTC (link)
"It can be a very personal choice." Exactly. Happy Independence Day.

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(Anonymous)
2005-07-01 10:05 pm UTC (link)
At first I thought that rockstar shouldn't be held accountable for the mod community, but the more I think about it the more I change my mind. Before this game was ever made rockstar knew that it would be an M game not an AO. Yet they took the time to code and create the art assets for the XXX stuff they later blocked. It even goes so far to affect normal gameplay. In the game you can hardly hear the things that are said during the "coffee scenes." I saw a video capture of the mod in use and since you were right there you could here everything well.

So not only did they create this but it acually interferes with normal gameplay in a small way. I think perhaps they have taken their claim to fame and pushed it just a bit too far...

On a side note: thanks for taking my earlier opinions into consideration, I will continue checking this site daily:)

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(Anonymous)
2005-07-02 01:55 pm UTC (link)
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Developers of games create a game and always have a bunch of unfinished code in it. Take the game Fable as another example. They have bits of levels coding for more areas but playing the normal game you would never know it except for at the end of the game when there is a space missing in the murals of the wall. I find it pathetic that you don't cover all your bases and state that yes they may have left it in there knowingly but who the fuck cares? Modding isn't natural. It's only become popular within the past 6 months or so. Why say they left it in there on purpose. I find your bias obvious and pathetic.

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[info]gamepolitics
2005-07-02 03:59 pm UTC (link)
Look, I didn't say they left it in there on purpose. What I can say is that they aren't denying - or confirming - it.

This site was started to cover the area where games and politics intersect. In case you haven't noticed, GTA:SA is Ground Zero in the ongoing political struggles over games.

If Rockstar put Hot Cofee on the disc, they're obligated to inform the ESRB. The intense content coming from "envelope pushers" like Rockstar, in addition to advancing the art form causes countless headaches for the industry. The least developers can do is play by the rules and inform the ESRB so there are no surprises.

If you think you detect a bias, I'm not sure what to say about that. I call 'em as I see 'em. Sometimes the critics are wrong, sometimes the game industry is wrong. I've criticized both on these pages. However, I don't consider this report a criticism. I consider it an investigation into something that is newsorthy and may have repercussions.


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Unfinished code, etc.
[info]ragin_canajun
2005-07-05 01:50 pm UTC (link)
I think there is a difference here between unfinished code left on disk because the developer was squeezed, or perhaps had a bigger imagination than they did resources / time. This is very common in games today.

However, in the case of Rockstar, it almost seems like they deliberately left it on disk, but required a mod to access it, thus absolving themselves of responsibility. They *knew* a modder would unlock it. It is de rigeur now for the geekier game afficionados to go and ransack the disc searching for leftover/unused code. Modding is a *given* now. And what the heck does "modding isn't natural" mean anyway? Also, if you think modding only became popular in the last 6 months, then you really haven't been following games closely at all.

I do not find it hard to believe *at all* that they left it on there deliberately. Just look at all the buzz it has generated. And they get to absolve themselves of responsibility and state that they 'self-censored'.

Now here's a statement of my bias: I have enjoyed all of Rockstar's games BIG TIME (even Manhunt). But I am also no apologist for them either. This seems calculated.

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[info]nayrk
2005-07-02 09:45 pm UTC (link)


^the warning label for GTA: SA

looks to me like it has the words "strong sexual content"

So...uh i don't see the problem. Afterall it takes a mod to the original code to get at anyhow. Seems like alot of work for someone for pixalated porn scenes when google is on the same machine.

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[info]gamepolitics
2005-07-02 10:30 pm UTC (link)
Well, if you watched the Hot Coffee scenes, I'd say they were more along the lines of:

ADULTS ONLY
Titles rated AO (Adults Only) have content that should only be played by persons 18 years and older. Titles in this category may include prolonged scenes of intense violence and/or graphic sexual content and nudity.

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[info]nayrk
2005-07-03 04:29 am UTC (link)
the whole AO rating would probably ever goes on things you would find in an adult store.

BMX XXX had stippers stripping in prolonged scenes and it still only got an M, and that was something you didn't have to mod to get at.

No I haven't seen the Hot Coffee mod scenes. and the key word you used is "should" yes porn is for those 18+ but how many R movies have you seen w/dicks or tits in em?

bah maybe im picking an argument, but i still don't see what the issue is. To get this content you have to go well out of your way, not Rockstars problem IMO.

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(Anonymous)
2005-07-03 07:00 am UTC (link)
I think Gamepolitics.com makes a valid point/argument. If PatrickW is correct (in that the data was already on the disc released by R*), this game should have been rated AO. But on the other side, the BMX XXX issue is along the same lines, but in a somewhat heavier sense. This game was rated M, as is GTA:SA.

However, BMX XXX was complained about only briefly, whereas the whole GTA series takes heat for the littles censory issue. I agree with Nayrk, in some ways, on this one. However, his crude delivery did somewhat deter me from his point of view.

I understand that BMX XXX is old news as of today, and the GTA:SA "Hot Coffee" issue is current, and that's reportable news. But, I simply do not see the reasoning behind this whole unlockable scene being so questionable. As stated previously, why would someone got to the trouble of modding a game to achieve pixelated pornography? The game in itself was adequately rated M, for Mature. If this information had been *readily* available to everyone, and not just those with access to mods and or modding ability, the game would have been rated AO. It has violence, sexual content, nudity, etc. I'm torn on this issue; I agree that Rockstar has pushed the boundaries on the content issue, but then again, I can also see the argument that the extensive skill requirement in modding involved in unlocking these scenes would make them void of rating. I cannot decide.

On another note, very interesting site. It is currently my homepage :)

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[info]gamepolitics
2005-07-03 11:08 am UTC (link)
Wow. Home page? I'm honored! That makes three... you, me and my wife... LOL

Anyway, I agree there is room for debate here. In fact, the whole issue of whether Rockstar even put the stuff on there is up for grabs still, though my sense is that they did.

These scenes are certainly not hard core porn in the sense that genitalia and penetration are visible, but also I don't believe the ESRB ratings are exactly parallel to the movie ratings. The oral sex scene is pretty graphic, and the others I've seen aren't far behind.

For me it comes down to an issue of judgement on Rockstar's part. If they did it, what the hell were they thinking? They already know that any GTA game they release will be at the cutting edge of the content/violence/ratings debate. If they added these scenes just to be edgy, it's rather like waving a red flag in front of a bull.

The interesting thing about them is that they don't need to put these scenes in to sell a zillion copies, while a crap game like BMX XXX can't get off the ground even when people know in advance there are strippers...

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[info]nayrk
2005-07-03 05:15 pm UTC (link)
congratz on the new fan GP.

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para3:
Well from what i gather the PS2/Xbox owners can't get to this material its only the PC version. Maybe that has something to do w/it.

para 4:
Probably cause that audiance dosen't feel like paying and then having to unlock vids. ...although the Japapense audiance prolly would going by some of the titles i've heard of.

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Anonymous:
Sory if you felt my delivery was crude, but such is the topic. *shrug*

Also i think games likee BMX XXX, Leisure Suit Larry etc etc are VERY important in this debate up on Capitol Hill. Yes GTA is the poster chid cause its such a hot seller.

My reasoning is that there are titles still being rated M w/more sexual content than GTA but don't get the press cause they don't sell oodles. Don't you find that just odd? If I was a senator or whatever and i really did want these games banned etc from the USofA I think i would bring these games up.

*shrug*

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[info]gamepolitics
2005-07-03 05:38 pm UTC (link)
Hey, naryk...

No worries, I wasn't upset with how you phrased anything.

Actually, I believe the modders have found their way into the Hot Coffee stuff on all three versions, not just PC...

None of those games you mentioned got an AO, and that's my guess with Hot Coffee. Rockstar may have created it and then took it out to avoid the AO, which is the retail kiss of death...

Catch ya later...

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(Anonymous)
2005-07-05 01:49 pm UTC (link)
Just a thought, but aren't "hidden elements such as Easter eggs, cheat codes and locked levels" elements WITHIN the game? You find this stuff by playing the game, not by hacking/altering/modding the game code.

A look at the Rockstar EULA would provide information whether the altering of the game code is actually prohibited or not.

A question. Why would most large retailers not carry a game with an AO rating? Here in Germany this is not a problem.

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[info]gamepolitics
2005-07-05 04:48 pm UTC (link)
Here in the USA, Wal-Mart has a policy of not carrying AO-rated games. I would assume that other large retailers might have similar policies. But even if they don't, publishers will work to ensure they don't receive an AO, since they need to get their products onto Wal-Mart's retail shelves. Wal-Mart has better than 20% market share in the video game sector, so publishers have to be mindful of their policies.

In "Singles: Flirt Up Your Life," which I believe was released in Europe before the U.S., the publisher (Eidos) made it available in the U.S. only as a download, thus skirting the retail issue for the game, which carried an AO rating.

Your point about whether the Hot Coffee stuff was in-game is a good question. Clearly it is not part of the game play experience in the final version. However my reading of what the ESRB wants would lead me to believe that including it without revealing would be a no-no.

I'm no sure the EULA is relevant. Why put the content in there at all?

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Who cares
(Anonymous)
2005-07-05 05:00 pm UTC (link)
Who cares if they left the content in there on purpose or whether it was an error. It is only available if you mod the game , without the mod the current rating is fine. As another poster mentioned it is all to do with America's religious fanatics who treat sex like it is some kind of disease. Alright I would not want my young kids to see the sex scene content, but firstly I would never buy them a game like this, secondly I beleive parents should supervise their kids gameplay, some people just dump their kids infront of the computer to get them out of the way.

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Re: Who cares
[info]gamepolitics
2005-07-05 05:22 pm UTC (link)
I'm with ya all the way regarding the parental supervision....

This *is* an issue, however annoying some may find it. It's an issue because the developer & publisher signed a contract to play by the ESRB rules. If - and it remains an "if" - one or both didn't respect that commitment, then it calls the whole process into question.

And THAT's really news, since the ESRB shores up the gaming industry's defense against game content critics.

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(Anonymous)
2005-07-06 11:04 pm UTC (link)
http://gr.bolt.com/blog.htm?q=node/48

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And?
[info]n3m3515
2005-07-08 06:35 pm UTC (link)
Rockstar did nothing wrong, nor did the ESRB. They hid this well, and the user needs to jump through some hoops to unlock it. This is not found by any normal means of game progression.

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Actually...
(Anonymous)
2005-07-08 11:27 pm UTC (link)
If Rockstar "hid" all this from the ESRB, then why is the oral sex animation used *visably* during a cutscene for a mission where you raid a crack house within like the first 20 minutes of gameplay...

-illspirit

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Not just for the PC version...
(Anonymous)
2005-07-09 12:15 am UTC (link)
This 'hack' is not limited to the PC version of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas. An Xbox "hacker" known as Jay "FNG" has done the same thing to the Xbox version of the game. This 'save hack' can be downloaded to the xbox using an ActionReplay cheat device, and requires no Xbox system modifications to view this 'explicit easter egg'.

From www.CodeJunkies.com (http://us.codejunkies.com/saves_show_game.asp?c=US&cr=USD&cs=$&r=0&l=1&g=1414791298&p=8):
*OFFICIAL* Uncensored (Story Complete)!
Story Complete; Game 100% Uncensored!!! Please girlfriends to get the invite for some ''Coffee'' & Lovin''!!! - Jay "FNG"
This SAVE has been downloaded 9692 times.

I found this save posted on www.GameFAQs.com (http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/xbox/save/925634.html) as well, a site frequently visited by video game enthusiasts, when I searched for “San Andreas”.

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It's a hack!
(Anonymous)
2005-07-11 02:53 pm UTC (link)
I feel that Rockstar has been victimized by politicians. They heard the rumor and totally overreacted. They don't realize that the minigame was a hack. As with all hacks, they cna permanently damage the game. Also, you have to use a GameShark/Action Replay to get to it on the consoles. These devices are not licensed or endorsed by game developers and console makers alike.

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