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"Joe-mentum" Runs Out - Longtime Video Game Critic Lieberman Loses Connecticut Primary

Sen. Joe Lieberman has joked in the past that ESA boss Doug Lowenstein owes him his job. The Connecticut Democrat is at least partially right. Lieberman's legislative efforts to stop the marketing of violent video games to children in the mid-1990's were a major part of the impetus which led the industry to form the trade group known today as the ESA.

This morning, however, Lieberman could use some job help of his own.

The three-term incumbent lost Tuesday's Connecticut primary to challenger Ned Lamont. Although he was trailing by double-digits in early returns, Lieberman closed the gap as the night went on, finishing with 48% of the vote to Lamont's 52%.

Ultimately, it was Lieberman's position on the Iraq war that cost him the support of Connecticut voters, who came to see the moderate Democrat as a puppet of the Bush Administration's failed Iraq policy.

Lieberman conceded the primary to Lamont late last evening, but vowed to fight on as an independent Democratic candidate in November's general election.

"For the sake of our state, our country and my party, I cannot, I will not let this result stand," Lieberman told supporters in Hartford.

Democratic leaders, however, are concerned that an independent Lieberman candidacy could split the party's vote in November. They are expected to appeal to Lieberman to drop out on unity grounds.

The New York Times is reporting that Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) and Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) will announce their support for Ned Lamont as early as this morning.

Although it may be premature to begin writing Lieberman's political obituary, there's little doubt that he had a major influence in persuading the video game industry to begin policing itself. In addition to his early efforts, Lieberman gave his support to Dr. David Walsh of the National Institute on Media and Family. The Connecticut senator appeared alongside Walsh as the NIMF president delivered his organization's Annual Video Game Report Card.

Along with Sens. Hillary Clinton (D-NY) and Evan Bayh (D-IN) Lieberman is co-sponsor of the Family Entertainment Protection Act (FEPA), legislation currently before the Senate.

Lieberman was also a favorite of controversial Miami attorney Jack Thompson.




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[info]ninjagaiden
2006-08-09 11:32 am UTC (link)
Thank God. I'm glad that he's finally out of the running.

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The beginning of the end for the anti-game people
[info]beardoggx
2006-08-09 11:35 am UTC (link)
DailyKos was pushing for Lamont the whole way.

Lieberman can try to run as an independent, however, he's not going to have as much Democratic support as he did in the primary. It's already showing, as both Hillary and Bayh quickly voiced support for Lamont not long after Lamont was declared the winner, as has John Edwards, and Chuck Schumer and Harry Reid following.

DailyKos is now pushing his readers to push Reid into stripping Lieberman of all his Senate committee assignments(since Lieberman is no longer a Democrat).

It's the beginning of the end for the anti-game people.

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Re: The beginning of the end for the anti-game people
[info]lightwarriorr
2006-08-09 01:36 pm UTC (link)
I said that back when the Oklimhoma priminaries came in and their anti-game polition was shot down and lost.

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[info]jahbulon
2006-08-09 11:38 am UTC (link)
"For the sake of our state, our country and my party, I cannot, I will not let this result stand," Lieberman told supporters in Hartford.

"Having absolutely no faith in the democratic process or my constituency, and utter conviction in my ultimate suitability for office, I will ignore the results of a free election. I am too good to lose! LIEBERMAN SMASH"

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[info]phoenixzero
2006-08-09 12:02 pm UTC (link)
Considering how the party completely turned on him, I can imagine that he's pretty pissed off. I for one hope he does run as an Independent and splits the Democrat vote, though I can also see many Republicans voting for him too if their candidate isn't that good.

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(no subject) - [info]jahbulon, 2006-08-09 12:26 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]phoenixzero, 2006-08-09 08:41 pm UTC
A start
[info]yukimurasanada
2006-08-09 11:42 am UTC (link)
Perhaps this will show that the whole "anti game" Thing doesn't mean jack when compared to the war and all, but to be truthfull, if nothing else, I'm glad one of jacks longtime allies is out of action. Means one less thing jack has to call upon.

So, goodbye Joe, nice knowing you, and a good day and all that, and don't come back till you get some common sense.

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Re: A start
[info]gatz111085
2006-08-09 06:18 pm UTC (link)
Don't you know? Video Games plotted against him GTA Boxes rose up and stuffed the ballet boxes using fake names of people who died in ww2 to get Lieberman out of office, oh yeah Medal of Honor helped it. >.>

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[info]zewrestler
2006-08-09 11:58 am UTC (link)
Another one bites the dust
And another one gone, and another one gone
Another one bites the dust
Hey, Im gonna get you too
Another one bites the dust

i wish more anti-gaming people would loss in primaries.

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Before people start celebrating...
[info]funnydale
2006-08-09 12:45 pm UTC (link)
Lets remember that 99.5 percent of the people who voted against him in that state didn't give a crap what Joe's position was on violent video games. The only reason he lost was because of his support of the Iraq war. If Joe Lieberman went against the Iraq war, or at least silenced his support for it, then he would of won that primary with 65, to 75 percent of the vote. So if anyone here starts to get the idea that politicians who are for violent video game regulation are going to be voted out of office by the people for that reason. Then, you guys would be seriously naive, because the reason why he no longer has no job has nothing to do with his stance on violent video games, and everything to do with his stance on the Iraq war.


While I personally wouldn't vote fro the guy. You have to respect him in this regard. He knew that his views on the Iraq war, and foreign policy in general would put his normally safe Senate job at risk. But rather than pander to the anti war crowd, he kept his personal convictions, knowing that he was putting his job at risk.

Any politician that knowingly puts his own job at risk, rather than cynically switch his position in order to save his own neck, has my respect, and should have the respect of the American people. Regardless on whether you agree with his views or not.

Personally, I don't agree with a lot of what he has to say, but I respect the guy for putting his personal convictions ahead of saving his own job. Which put him ahead of 99% of the other politicians in this country.

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Re: Before people start celebrating...
[info]gamepolitics
2006-08-09 02:10 pm UTC (link)
You have to respect him in this regard. He knew that his views on the Iraq war, and foreign policy in general would put his normally safe Senate job at risk. But rather than pander to the anti war crowd, he kept his personal convictions, knowing that he was putting his job at risk.

Did he? I fault quite a few Democrats - and a lot of the MSM - for not speaking up against the war and Bush back in 2002-2003 because Bush was riding a post-9/11 wave of popular opinion. Hillary is another one who will need to reconcile her war support, although, quite politically, she reversed course last week.

Also, while I see your point, in the larger picture, even if Lieberman truly believed in the Iraq fiasco, it's a little hard to credit someone for holding on tight to the wrong course. Just my opinion...

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Re: Before people start celebrating... - [info]dog_welder, 2006-08-09 02:27 pm UTC
Re: Before people start celebrating... - [info]gamepolitics, 2006-08-09 03:30 pm UTC
Re: Before people start celebrating... - [info]synabetic, 2006-08-09 03:51 pm UTC
Depends on your point of view dennis - [info]yukimurasanada, 2006-08-09 02:30 pm UTC
Re: Depends on your point of view dennis - [info]apathyislife, 2006-08-09 10:19 pm UTC
Re: Depends on your point of view dennis - [info]jabrwock, 2006-08-09 10:36 pm UTC
Re: Depends on your point of view dennis - [info]gamepolitics, 2006-08-10 07:16 pm UTC
Re: Depends on your point of view dennis - [info]yukimurasanada, 2006-08-11 01:50 pm UTC
Re: Before people start celebrating... - [info]verbinator, 2006-08-09 02:17 pm UTC
Re: Before people start celebrating... - [info]thefremen, 2006-08-09 06:18 pm UTC
Re: Before people start celebrating... - [info]jahbulon, 2006-08-09 11:36 pm UTC
Re: Before people start celebrating... - [info]terminator44, 2006-08-09 02:48 pm UTC
Re: Before people start celebrating... - [info]dividebydesu, 2006-08-09 05:51 pm UTC
Re: Before people start celebrating... - [info]sir_bissel, 2006-08-09 09:05 pm UTC
Re: Before people start celebrating... - [info]jahbulon, 2006-08-09 11:36 pm UTC
Since everyone's talking About Iraq war... - [info]brown_wolf, 2006-08-10 03:05 am UTC
Re: Before people start celebrating... - [info]chuma, 2006-08-10 09:27 am UTC
Oh look, he's got a nose
[info]skemodan
2006-08-09 12:56 pm UTC (link)
Good riddance. Schmuck.

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This will be bad for the Democrats
[info]blackcat914
2006-08-09 12:58 pm UTC (link)
With both Lieberman and Lamont running, the Democrat vote will be split. That might leave the door open for the Rupublican canidate Alan Schlesinger to win in a masive upset for this historicaly Democratic leaning state...

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Perhaps.
[info]startropics
2006-08-09 02:17 pm UTC (link)
You have to remember that Lamont is a rich guy with virtually no political experience, you can expect Schlesinger and Lieberman to milk that talking point.

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Re: This will be bad for the Democrats - [info]jargon_john, 2006-08-09 03:11 pm UTC
split on this
[info]tollwutig
2006-08-09 01:01 pm UTC (link)
For one thing I don't agree with Liberman on a lot of things, and no video games was NOT an issue in this election, and considering how Liberal his opponent was this could actually be bad news for the gaming industry. As Media Violence wasn't an issue in the primary we don't know Lamont's stand on things.

That being said, I kinda of hope Lieberman does actually run as an Independent, mainly because it shows he won't be a party hack who bows to the whims of his political party. He does actually carry enough support to run as an Independent in his state. If Lieberman were to become a truely Independent candidate and Senator I would have a lot of respect for him, but then I am completely against political parties and feel they should be abolished from our government in thier current form.

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Re: split on this
[info]thefremen
2006-08-09 06:16 pm UTC (link)
Most people figured out that he wasn't with the party when the blue suit he wore came back from the labs positive for having GW's DNA.

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Re: split on this - [info]l0que, 2006-08-09 09:21 pm UTC
Re: split on this - [info]terminator44, 2006-08-10 02:01 am UTC
Re: split on this - [info]defenselesskang, 2006-08-10 09:45 pm UTC
Sorry, he's not toast yet.
[info]startropics
2006-08-09 01:04 pm UTC (link)
He's going to run as an independant. And his ability to gather favor from both parties could still give him the win.

He's still got plenty of Joementum left.

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Re: Sorry, he's not toast yet.
[info]terminator44
2006-08-09 02:51 pm UTC (link)
But, how often does ANY independent candidate win a major election? And with nearly all the major players in Conn. politics against him, Joe will have a hell of a time gaining his Joementum back.

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Re: Sorry, he's not toast yet. - [info]pixelante_ninja, 2006-08-09 04:00 pm UTC
Re: Sorry, he's not toast yet. - [info]mjolnirjack, 2006-08-10 02:38 pm UTC
Re: Sorry, he's not toast yet. - [info]terminator44, 2006-08-10 05:37 pm UTC

[info]vaminion
2006-08-09 01:20 pm UTC (link)
According to WTOP (the news station here in Washington, D.C.), Lieberman is only the 4th incumbent in 20 election cycles to lose like this.

It warms the little ball of rage I call my heart.

-P

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[info]scatter
2006-08-09 01:37 pm UTC (link)
Great!

So if he retires from politics, does that mean he'll have more free time to devote to lobby groups? Perhaps serving as a mouthpiece or consultant?

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Even though he says he's going to run independent...
[info]duncan_922
2006-08-09 01:41 pm UTC (link)
There's a certain song from Wizard of Oz stuck in my head right now... I think it goes: Ding, dong....

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[info]attackgypsy
2006-08-09 02:37 pm UTC (link)
Hi folks!

I'm from Connecticut, and actually campaigned for Ned Lamont.

Lamont said in the begining that he would support whoever was the Democratic canidate was, and would campaign for him, even if he lost.

Joe refused. He knew he was going to lose, and would have to run as an Independant to have a chance to get his job back.

Ned Lamont did not use ANY Federal matching funds. He used his own money, plus some donations, which were about 20% or so.

Joe used a 12 million warchest he had from his last election, when he ran unopposed.

Ned wanted to debate issues, but Joe got dirty with personal attacks. About how rich Ned was, and that he was using his own money to finance his campaign. So Ned decided to attack Joe's record, a legitimate tactic. Joe called attacking his record mudslinging partisan politics.

Joe now wants to split the Democratic party. Hrmmm... and just last week he was preaching party unity.

Joe needs to GO!

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[info]grimm24
2006-08-09 04:03 pm UTC (link)
They both suck.

Im from Conneticut, im going to run against Lameont!

Sure im not 18 and I have no experience in politics, but hey im not an asswipe like any of these jerks :p

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(no subject) - [info]mrpat___, 2006-08-09 04:25 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]eondil, 2006-08-09 08:22 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mrpat___, 2006-08-10 01:50 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sprngpilot, 2006-08-10 02:28 am UTC
Wtf, Joey... - [info]startropics, 2006-08-09 07:17 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]lordtwinkie, 2006-08-10 01:07 am UTC
The Dems didn't throw him overboard - [info]assamite36, 2006-08-10 03:28 pm UTC
Thanks - [info]mjolnirjack, 2006-08-10 02:44 pm UTC
Thanks - [info]mjolnirjack, 2006-08-10 02:45 pm UTC
I was going to e-mail about this, GP...
[info]terminator44
2006-08-09 02:40 pm UTC (link)
But the message didn't go through for some reason. Perhaps it's because I'm using a wireless connection that is piggybacking of my parents' land line. Any suggestions on how to get e-mails through to you?

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Re: I was going to e-mail about this, GP...
[info]gamepolitics
2006-08-09 03:26 pm UTC (link)
pony express?

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Re: I was going to e-mail about this, GP... - [info]synabetic, 2006-08-09 04:04 pm UTC
Re: I was going to e-mail about this, GP... - [info]xlorep_darkhelm, 2006-08-09 06:53 pm UTC
Re: I was going to e-mail about this, GP... - [info]terminator44, 2006-08-09 07:39 pm UTC
Re: I was going to e-mail about this, GP... - [info]barfo, 2006-08-09 10:07 pm UTC
Re: I was going to e-mail about this, GP... - [info]terminator44, 2006-08-10 02:03 am UTC

[info]crackmasterc
2006-08-09 03:48 pm UTC (link)
who came to see the moderate Democrat

What? He's a moderate Democrat? What land do you live in? He makes some Republicans look like socialists.

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[info]grimm24
2006-08-09 04:02 pm UTC (link)
The Good: Lieberman the anti-game freak is out of the picture :D

The Bad: Ned Lemont is pboboly going to get elected. Seriously the guy is a prick. The only reason people voted for him is because he is anti-Bush.

Yet, they didnt even bother looking at the other things he is going to do.

Jeeze it reminds me of the Kerry supporters in the 04 elections.

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[info]mrpat___
2006-08-09 04:28 pm UTC (link)
The good: Lieberman the anti-game freak is out of the picture

The Bad: Ned Lemont is pboboly going to get elected. Seriously the guy is a prick. The only reason people voted for him is because he is anti-Bush.

Yet, they didnt even bother looking at the other things he is going to do.

Jeeze it reminds me of the Kerry supporters in the 04 elections.
Lieberman is going to split the vote and let the nobody republican into office because there is no decent independent to vote for.

There, fixed that for ya.

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Re: Before people start celebrating... - [info]sir_bissel, 2006-08-09 09:12 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]grimm24, 2006-08-10 12:13 am UTC
Well . . . - [info]mjolnirjack, 2006-08-10 03:12 pm UTC
My opinions changed...
[info]lightwarriorr
2006-08-09 04:06 pm UTC (link)
Ok well I don't do much research I'm still new to the voting sence for proper voting researching.

But when I first read this artical I was happy and laughing at him because soely based on the video game seane.

But after reading the comments here....you guys are right he does diserve some respect wheather we agree with him or not....and I don't fully understand his other hot topic issues other then just video games...

But if a politian looses out for what they stand by and not to change to win votes...that's a big win. I wish more people where like that.

for a country based on "we the people." I sometimes wish common folk would run and win...istead of coming from a family with political history.

I think that's why our goverment is courrpt. We need people who can see through the bull droppings....

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Lieberman and MMA
[info]g_dog_dre
2006-08-09 04:40 pm UTC (link)
If I remember, Lieberman was also a critic of Mixed Martial Arts. Making with the political grand standing while showing zero understanding for the sport.

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Thoughts on Sen. Lieberman's Loss
[info]amicus_venatus
2006-08-09 04:45 pm UTC (link)
Sen. Lieberman's advocacy of restrictions on violent video games was not a major issue in the campaign, which focused primarily on his support for the war in Iraq, relationship with President Bush, and attention to home-state matters. However, his criticism of video games was noted in at least one major endorsement. In advocating a vote for Sen. Lieberman, the Hartford Courant said of him: "Mr. Lieberman's rectitude, though it strikes some as self-righteous, is principled. He led the charge to tone down sex and violence in video games for more than a decade."

While advocacy of restrictions on video games has not caused any politician to lose, it is also true that it did not help Oklahoma Rep. Fred Moore or Sen. Lieberman to win. Sen. Lieberman's loss suggests that the parents of Connecticut are more concerned with their sons and daughters being exposed to the real violence of Sadr City than to the fantasy violence of Vice City.

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Re: Thoughts on Sen. Lieberman's Loss
[info]illspirit
2006-08-09 09:37 pm UTC (link)
I dunno. Given that video games are such a non-issue to most that his stance may have turned out being an issue. I can't help but think there were plenty of non-gamers out there who were all like "wtf?!" at his spending so much time and energy on something so trivial. Then there's also surely people who wonder why he hates violence in video games so much, while supporting real life violence in Iraq. I've talked to a few non-gamer Democrats in meatspace who find this contradiction/juxtaposition of policy irreconcilable and/or insane.

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[info]thefremen
2006-08-09 06:11 pm UTC (link)
I guess Joe's at that age where he forgets things easier than he used to. About 3 weeks back he was on the Ed Shultz show talkin' bout the Iraq war and how brilliant he thought Bush was to go into that without any plans for the future whatsoever. Anyways, on the show Ed asked him what he'd do if he lost the primary (which, by the way, he was bitching and moaning about), at that time he said if he lost the primary he would not run independant because he had always run Democrat and was loyal to the party.

You can't spell "Lieberman" without "lie".

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Said it in the forum...
[info]boffo97
2006-08-09 07:03 pm UTC (link)
But the fact that Joe is willing to run as an Independent and screw up his party's chances of keeping that Senate seat reveal the kind of selfish SOB he is.

He doesn't care about children. He doesn't even care about his own party. He, like pretty much every other politician out there hopping on the anti-game bandwagon, cares about continuing to stay in office. Period.

So what if his anti-free speech politics aren't what made him lose his office? They're what made it a good thing that he did.

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Its not the game hateing
[info]zippydsmlee
2006-08-09 11:55 pm UTC (link)
Its not the game hateing that put his nails in his cffin its the fact hes a imcumbent,suprted a war pll are starting to hate and acuple other thigns that will..put this milloinare in need of another hbby...

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[info]grimm24
2006-08-10 12:18 am UTC (link)
Eh I dont really consider myself part of any party.

Im more right wing, but I wont vote for a guy just because he's a republican.

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Rush had something to say about this today:
[info]curiousthompson
2006-08-10 01:14 am UTC (link)
"Because Liberman is writing his papers to run as a Independent, Hillary has lost the 'Testicle lockbox'."

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Re: Rush had something to say about this today:
[info]gamepolitics
2006-08-10 10:07 am UTC (link)
As a rule I pay no attention to what drug addicts say...

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