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Industry Source Dishes on Why E3 Had to Die

Calling E3's sudden demise, "sad, really," a knowledgeable game industry source has spoken to GamePolitics about the cancellation of the show.

"The problem was systemic," said the source. "E3 grew from a retail buyer's show to an industry expo pretty rapidly... The situation started collapsing quickly. The third parties (publishers) started questioning the ever-expanding (cost)... I think EA has questioned the value proposition. They felt... with E3 it increasingly became about P.R."

So, how will the death of E3 affect the ESA? Doesn't the industry trade group derive significant operating revenue from E3?

"Huge. The most worrying aspect is legislative. (The legal) budget is already meager, compared with what they want and need."

With court battles over video game legislation showing no sign of going away, how will the ESA afford to fight?

"The alternative funding source will be drastically increased membership dues for publishers. Hence all of the conversations..."

So, given this clash of wills with the major publishers, is the ESA in any jeopardy as an entity?

"That's a really good question. I'm sure that the publishers see the value in ESA, but what the new economics are..."

Could ESA President Doug Lowenstein be falling out of favor with the publishers?

"I have heard those rumblings actually. He's been at the helm for 12 years now..."

That's a long run. GP heard after E3 2005 that there was some frustration among industry types over his keynote because he criticized some of the content that was causing the P.R. and legislative problems.

"Yea, I know more than a few feathers were ruffled, but I don't think it was major. Trade associations know that their execs have opinions and will occasionally do what's right for the organization as a whole at the expense of the few, and I think that's what happened there."




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Or...
[info]markusdragon
2006-07-31 05:33 pm UTC (link)
They could have had a couple of press-only days and then charged for the public to get in for a few more days.
Make it a profitable event, and something that large amounts of merchandising could be sold at.

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Not the PUBLIC!!!!!
[info]verbinator
2006-08-01 02:19 pm UTC (link)
E3 needs to either be a closed door trade show like Toy Fair in New York, or a game festival that has nothing to do with sales.

Speaking as someone who has worked at E3 for a couple different companies, the LAST thing that developers and publishers want inside those showrooms is "the public", whether they are charged entry fees or not. The preponderance of fanboy press (gamers who think that simply having a game-related website, or who talk about games on MySpace makes them journalists ... and no, I don't include GP in that class) has been bad enough. We don't need more of that in the halls ... unless they specifically turn E3 or it's descendent into exactly that type of show ... in which case you prepare for it entirely differently and you don't send your dev staff to man demo stations, and your senior marketing and sales people to answer questions about sales potential, etc.

I'd much rather see my employer's marketing dollars spent more wisely than on this annual hype-fest. Maybe they'll even put the money into better packaging for my studio's games. OK ... maybe not.

Put me down as someone who doesn't mourn E3's passing on.

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Re: Not the PUBLIC!!!!!
[info]gamepolitics
2006-08-01 03:04 pm UTC (link)
I hear you, Paul. I do think that the companies probably wasted a lot of time catering to low-readership website writers.

BTW - I attended E3 in 1997 as a columnist for CGW, skipped 98, and have been to every one from 99-06 as video game columnist for the Philadelphia Inquirer. I didn't apply for - although probably could have gotten - press credentials based on GP.

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Re: Not the PUBLIC!!!!!
[info]jowmagian
2006-08-03 04:48 pm UTC (link)
Mark me down as someone not really mourning it either.

I have been twice (although I went as a gamer with a website, but I don't think I am much of a fanboy. Who knows, I was probably part of the problem), and each time I felt like it was just people trying to give me free T-shirts or walk around with a Sony bag or to get me to look at their dancers or to get me to scream real loud. Every time I would ask some sort of question, I would get told the same vague answers over and over with no clarification or articulation.

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TO big for tis owen good
[info]zippydsmlee
2006-07-31 06:57 pm UTC (link)
It grew into a mosnter and in such became a mindless PR stunt and DEvs lieing about features and games and such its one thign to rave abotu a game but another to lie about it.
In anycase whats going to repalce it?

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Re: TO big for tis owen good
[info]jchaos
2006-07-31 08:36 pm UTC (link)
Nothing's going to replace it immediately, at least not yet. The industry needs to take a black eye at the next show to realize that a mistake was made, and they'll scapegoat E3 as the cause rather than their own ineptness.

And make no mistake, a smaller venue is going to do absolutely nothing to change the PR stunts and the devs lying. The thing that is going to change is that without a significantly more open setting there is going to be no reason for them to watch what they say because there won't be the availability of walking over to a competitor's booth to see what they have to say.

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Re: TO big for tis owen good
[info]curiousthompson
2006-07-31 08:50 pm UTC (link)
How much are you willing to pay to go to the Tokyo Game Show?

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Re: TO big for tis owen good
[info]zippydsmlee
2006-07-31 09:08 pm UTC (link)
J Chaos
so resetting e3 to soemthing mroe liek what it was is abad idea?

curiousthompson
dont have the moeny to go to LA eaither,point is it should be more subtance than the BS the last few years it has been.

its not a cranival its not a CON its a trade show....

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Re: TO big for tis owen good
[info]reaverxvx
2006-07-31 09:09 pm UTC (link)
PAX

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Re: TO big for tis owen good
[info]zippydsmlee
2006-07-31 09:18 pm UTC (link)
PAX?....mmmmmmm
from RP maina e3 to CONville mainia PAX 0-o

LOL


err...PR miana...hehehehee

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I don't think it's the end of the ESA
[info]duncan_922
2006-07-31 07:39 pm UTC (link)
As I understand it (and Dennis please correct me if I'm wrong), the ESA acts as a sort of "umbrella" for the gaming industry. If it isn't for the ESA, unscrupulous politicians and lawyers would start to dictate what content goes into games through the courts system and go after the companies directly. Unless they are willing to bend over backwards to please the politicians, it is in the best interest of the gaming industry to keep the ESA alive.

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Re: TO big for tis owen good
[info]curiousthompson
2006-07-31 08:55 pm UTC (link)
I mean for plane tickets.

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Bet Jack Thompson is happy...
[info]mikemil828
2006-07-31 08:57 pm UTC (link)
With ESA defanged he will undoubtly have an easier time destroying video games as we know it. Comics Code Authority doppelganger here we come!

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Re: Bet Jack Thompson is happy...
[info]eusisnaphtali
2006-07-31 11:11 pm UTC (link)
... I really fail to see how a press/trade-only expo shrinking is going to suddenly make it easier to 'destroy gaming'.

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Re: Bet Jack Thompson is happy...
[info]ioncow00
2006-08-01 02:23 am UTC (link)
then they've already won...

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Re: Bet Jack Thompson is happy...
[info]odannyboy123
2006-08-01 04:17 am UTC (link)
because this is the 1950's and any case he makes would have a leg to stand on?

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Re: Bet Jack Thompson is happy...
[info]gamepolitics
2006-08-01 11:13 am UTC (link)
...why even bring Miami Jack into this discussion?

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Re: Bet Jack Thompson is happy...
[info]mikemil828
2006-08-01 06:26 pm UTC (link)
Because according to this interview Jacko stands to gain from this, with less money the ESA will be less able to fight the various legislation efforts going on to the point that they may not have the money to even fight a law.

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Re: Bet Jack Thompson is happy...
[info]blackmanta
2006-08-01 11:05 pm UTC (link)
If that's the case, the ESA (in possible conjunction with the VGVN) could set up something similar to the Comic Book Legal Defense Fund; a non-profit organization that consumers, developers and publishers alike can voluntarily donate money to.

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[info]muhammed
2006-08-01 05:56 pm UTC (link)
I'm just afraid that this is going to spill over into GDC now. The average gamer has started becoming aware of GDC the last couple years. Even some major announcements have happened there recently. I didn't get to go this year, but I heard there was an influx of "guy with a game website" types this year. I know for a fact that some people, like one of my friends, seem to think that its just like E3 and expected up to the minute, live blogging and live video coverage. Then they're all pissed off and confused when they find out its not like that at all.

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