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Entry tags:energy consumption, mark kelly, nintendo, u.k., united kingdom, wii, wiiconnect24

Will British Law Hamstring Wii Online Service?

Perhaps we (wii?) should protest a British government directive aimed at reducing energy consumption since it may have an adverse effect on Nintendo's forthcoming online service, WiiConnect24.

The government mandate seeks to make electrical appliances more energy efficient - and this includes eliminating "standby" features, wherein equipment sits dormant in a low-power state when not in use.

Credit Brit video game Club Skill with uncovering this one. The editorial team there have put two-and-two together, realising that many of WiiConnect24's benefits may be negated by the energy directive.

Specifically, Nintendo's much-ballyhooed "always-on" content update feature could be threatened. This WiiConnect24 feature is expected to ship demos and content updates to your Wii while it's not in use. It will also permit other types of game interactions. For example, fellow Wii users might be able to visit your Animal Crossing town even though you are not playing at the time.

Club Skill also speculates that other European countries will accept always-on, meaning that the feature might have to be scrapped specifically for the U.K. market, a tricky proposition for Nintendo. Notably, the British government claims that standby features on various electronic devices and appliances consume 8% of the nation's annual consumption of electricity.

As a British gamer, I'm not entirely sure that this will have much effect. While devices fingered by the Government such as televisions and washing machines might have wasteful standby features, they're only wasteful because they're not doing anything useful - T.V.'s on standby aren't showing a picture and washing machines aren't churning. The Wii, however, will be providing an integral part of the system's service in a low-power mode far preferable to leaving it on full-power as you have to to download with, say, XBox 360.

The London Times has more on the energy issue.

-reporting from the U.K., GP European Correspondent Mark Kelly, who is himself in a permanent low-power mode

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[info]caf_pow
2006-07-18 12:08 pm UTC (link)
good catch, this!
maybe nintendo will creatable a non-standby standby? how the government defines standby will probably be surmountable. think of the little british animal crossing characters that will go into suspended animation if not!

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[info]zewrestler
2006-07-18 12:15 pm UTC (link)
i wounder how this will affect laptops that have standby modes?

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[info]beardoggx
2006-07-18 12:17 pm UTC (link)
Probably not.

This WiiConnect24 feature is expected to ship demos and content updates to your Wii while it's not in use.

No different than getting e-mails while the computer's off, as the modem is always on.

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[info]semperar
2006-07-18 01:20 pm UTC (link)
But it is different; when a computer is off, the modem isn't doing anything. You aren't getting emails. Emails are going to your provider's server and being stored there until your computer is back on and uses the modem to retrieve them.

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[info]jahbulon
2006-07-18 01:25 pm UTC (link)
Errr... Your modem has an inbuilt email client? Pray tell, what make and model is it?

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[info]barfo
2006-07-18 05:31 pm UTC (link)
You've been reading advance excerpts from Ted Stevens's (R-AK) Forthcoming "Guide to the Internet: Send Your First Internet in 5 Easy Steps" havent you?

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(no subject) - [info]jahbulon, 2006-07-19 12:40 am UTC

[info]dagrak
2006-07-18 12:24 pm UTC (link)
Considering its performing a function, like a Server in an office, I really can't see the Wii being effected in any way by this new law. The law is more focused on the daft standby functions that exist and rain power like DVD players, TV's, CD players and all that stuff that doesn't perform a function in standby mode and even if the Wii is somehow affected, its not that much of a problem...personally I don't want people patrolling my animal crossing garden unless my digital form is there to berate them for stepping on my parsnips...

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[info]hedgeworth
2006-07-18 12:26 pm UTC (link)
Personally, I think if people are paying for the power they use; they can use as much of it as they like. Maybe thats a simplified way of looking at it, but I pay for my power usage, and this is just going to mean a whole bunch of people have to leave it on full power to use some of the features.

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[info]gargos
2006-07-18 01:57 pm UTC (link)
Except that many people forget that unlimited power doesn't exist. It's not a matter of paying for what you use, you already do that. It's a matter of having the power when people NEED it. I'm guessing you're NOT one of the people that lives out in California. I don't live their myself, but Californians can certainly attest to the fact that power isn't to be taken for granted. Sometimes, it might not be there when you need it.

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Brownouts suck - [info]philoetus, 2006-07-18 02:38 pm UTC
What does any of this have to do with CA? - [info]hedgeworth, 2006-07-20 12:33 pm UTC
Re: What does any of this have to do with CA? - [info]gargos, 2006-07-20 04:27 pm UTC
Re: What does any of this have to do with CA? - [info]gamepolitics, 2006-07-20 04:34 pm UTC
California and Enron - [info]malleable01, 2006-07-20 07:37 pm UTC

[info]mrwaffle
2006-07-18 12:49 pm UTC (link)
I've always been under the impression standby on a device tends to only be about 1 watt (compared to a dim light globe at 40+).

There was a site that did a console power test a few weeks back, but I can't remember where it was... I think they worked out an average of $10/year of power for the 360.

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[info]jahbulon
2006-07-18 01:27 pm UTC (link)
I think this is another example of politicians legislating for something they do not understand. Kinda like that video games thing.

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(no subject) - [info]yprbest, 2006-07-18 05:05 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]jahbulon, 2006-07-19 12:57 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]bm03, 2006-07-19 01:42 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]xlorep_darkhelm, 2006-07-19 07:08 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]yprbest, 2006-07-20 07:33 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]eternallegenduk, 2006-07-20 09:52 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]xlorep_darkhelm, 2006-07-20 02:41 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]eternallegenduk, 2006-07-20 10:18 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]chicken_mcnuget, 2006-07-18 05:59 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]jahbulon, 2006-07-19 12:56 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]jahbulon, 2006-07-19 02:11 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]illspirit, 2006-07-18 06:03 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]jahbulon, 2006-07-19 02:38 am UTC
Consoles are actually good on this score..
[info]philoetus
2006-07-18 02:41 pm UTC (link)
Consoles actually burn very little power, but standby modes on other devices can burn significantly more (and have no option but unplugging if you want to turn it off) some equipment burns 40% of full power when in standby. Do we have a UK reader who can get us the text of the law?

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[info]ironmaus
2006-07-18 10:15 pm UTC (link)
DX Gaming?

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(no subject) - [info]mrwaffle, 2006-07-19 02:16 am UTC
It is not "stand by"
[info]mr_mlk
2006-07-18 02:15 pm UTC (link)
As it is still doing stuff.

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[info]gargos
2006-07-18 02:17 pm UTC (link)
As little as the consumption may be, I still see no need for the Wii to be on 24/7 period. Not even the XBox Live service needs to be 24/7. Anytime there's an update, it hardly takes but a minute or two to download that and apply it. Has the world become that impatient that we can't wait 2 minutes for an update? Do we really need to have our console running 24/7 just to save us that time?

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[info]demonbunnie
2006-07-18 03:38 pm UTC (link)
I agree, I don't see a NEED for the Wii to be on 24/7, but then again I turn my computer off at night when I'm done with it. On the other hand, standby for thinks like computers and such is actually better than turning it off because it takes more energy to start it up, than it does to leave it in a low-power standby and the standby mode causes less wear on parts. Also, a computer in a standby mode can still run things such as a virus scanner and whatnot while in standby (unless the standby mode turns off the hard drive or some such) so I think the Wii should fall under the category of these kinds of standby

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(no subject) - [info]traiklin, 2006-07-18 03:47 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]xlorep_darkhelm, 2006-07-18 05:53 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ss_ebonclaw, 2006-07-18 10:18 pm UTC

[info]dkh
2006-07-18 02:53 pm UTC (link)
With all due respect Mark, WHAT is the "integral part of the system's service"?

Demos? "New content?" These things can be downloaded (and generally rather quickly) in an active mode.

It may not have a huge effect on energy conservation, but I do applaud the effort. It's something, at least.

I just fail to see what's so "integral" about Connect24.

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[info]bm03
2006-07-19 01:19 pm UTC (link)
I didn't call it that- Dennis put it in with his Big-Chainsaw-O-Editing™.

I called it 'part' of the service in the original, but not 'integral'-
Personally, I'm not entirely sure that this will have much effect- while devices fingered by the Government such as televisions, set-top boxes and washing machines might have wasteful standby features, they're only wasteful because they're not doing anything useful- TVs on standby aren't showing a picture, set-top boxes aren't decoding them, and washing machines aren't washing anything, whereas the Wii will be providing part of the system's service in a low-power mode preferable to leaving it on full-power as you have to to download with, say, xBox 360.

Although I think the thing with Connect24 is that you wouldn't know what had been downloaded for you- you'd wake up and there would be something new ready to play, as I understand it. As always, willing to be proven wrong.

/b

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[info]bugashi
2006-07-18 04:50 pm UTC (link)
You know, one very simple thing that could be added as a work-around could be a hard power switch, much like the PS2 (before the slim modles). Personaly, I'm kinda hoping there is such a thing on the Wii, but at the same time it could possibly be easier to put in the ability to disable/enable WiiConnect24 accessability and/or various other power options.

Then again, what would I know? I'm just a bloody yank...

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Standby
[info]phoenixzero
2006-07-18 07:52 pm UTC (link)
IIRC, having electonics in a "stand by" mode when not in use is supposed to be better for than just shutting it off... *shrugs* Maybe it really doesn't make a difference.

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[info]jargon_john
2006-07-18 10:57 pm UTC (link)
Really, this'll only mean people will leave their computers on instead of in standby. If anything, they should make standby mandatory for all non appliances.

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[info]sigma_7
2006-07-19 02:15 am UTC (link)
Really, this'll only mean people will leave their computers on instead of in standby.

This is not the case - most computers can be configured to switch from "Off" to "Full activity" within 15 seconds through a feature known as Hibernation. The only case where it takes longer is if there is a problem with the hibernation file (where it didn't save or load correctly) and thus the system requires a full reboot.

My laptop is configured to enter Standby after 30 minutes when I forget to turn it off (or 10 minutes on Batteries.) After 1 hour (or 30 minutes on batteries), it hibernates and turns off. This is the only case where standby is suitable - if the user forgot to turn something off.

If anything, they should make standby mandatory for all non appliances.

No, they should improve the requirements for Standby power. It should only be active when the user reasonably expects it to be active (i.e. the user steps away for an extended period, or the applicance does not require full power). If the appliance draws more power than required to determine if the user wants to turn it on, then it is neither in "Standby" or "Off". If the appliance needs to store settings when it gets turned off, then it should use Flash memory.

Another requirement to be checked is not entering full-on without a good reason. Semi-modern computers were known to turn themselves on when the phone rings - especially when the modem is not configured to answer the phone. Likewise, there are TVs on the market that turn on immediatly after a 1-second blackout - these are the absolute worst offenders.

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Stupid Feature Anyhow
[info]anticitizenone
2006-07-19 02:27 am UTC (link)
Sounds rather arrogent of Nintendo to presume that everyone has access to a high speed connection in the first place. Seems like they rarely take in account how their products will function overseas in countries other then Japan where its so high density that everyone has access to high speed connections. But I guess thats not the issue were here to discuss...

As Jargon said, people will just leave their consoles on.

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Re: Stupid Feature Anyhow
[info]bm03
2006-07-19 01:47 pm UTC (link)
>Sounds rather arrogent of Nintendo to presume that everyone has access to a high speed connection in the first place.

...so how's xBox Live on 56k working out for you? ;P

/b

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Re: Stupid Feature Anyhow - [info]anticitizenone, 2006-07-20 12:48 am UTC
Oh, and Dennis?
[info]bm03
2006-07-19 01:48 pm UTC (link)
Nobody's called it the 'London' Times for years.

/b

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Re: Oh, and Dennis?
[info]xlorep_darkhelm
2006-07-19 10:50 pm UTC (link)
Calling it the "Times" would get awefully confusing, when there's the LA Times, the Washington Times, the New Your Times, etc.

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Re: Oh, and Dennis? - [info]gamepolitics, 2006-07-20 08:02 am UTC
Re: Oh, and Dennis? - [info]bm03, 2006-07-20 03:31 pm UTC
Re: Oh, and Dennis? - [info]bm03, 2006-07-20 03:19 pm UTC
Standby
[info]eternallegenduk
2006-07-19 05:59 pm UTC (link)
I'm sick of people leaving things active or on standby when they could well be turned off, and the government initiative here is a welcome one in my eyes. However, define "standby" to me please. As far as I know, it's "like being off, but it can be reactivated much quicker." PCs are a good example of this: a fairly clean system takes a minute to boot and five seconds to de-standby.

So, assume that a "standby" mode is defined to be where the primary thing the system is doing is waiting for someone to turn it back on. Why do consoles need this? It takes all of fifteen seconds for the PS2 to zshwom its way through its startup procedure and start loading the game from disc. Even a next gen nearly-a-PC console will presumably boot quite quickly as it knows its own hardware and doesn't have to do anything that the game doesn't require.

This brings us to the Wii's 24x7 mode. It is apparent that it does this not to save booting time, but because it could be doing other stuff like accepting incoming net requests. Which means it's not unlike a server. It's not on "standby," it's just working without anyone sitting in front of it.

That said, I do think that 24x7 operation is a bad thing. It should not be encouraged, as the casual gamer (which the Wii is looking to target) isn't going to be the OMG TORRENT PLZ sort of person that would require their system to download stuff while they're not using it. The fact is that, whether you call it standby or not, it will still be sucking up the juice doing something that your average user could probably live without.

So here's an idea, Nintendo: Premium services. Make the 24x7 operation subject to a small monthly fee. Just a few quid, nothing special. That way the hardcore could subscribe to it and get the latest files yesterday or have their MMOs keeping track of the world in realtime or whatever, and everyone else will be encouraged to switch off when not in use. Oh yeah, and you'd make some much-needed cash.

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Re: Standby
[info]xlorep_darkhelm
2006-07-19 11:02 pm UTC (link)
Ok... honestly, that has to be one of the silliest suggestions I've ever heard. Sure, you make some interesting points throughout your rant. First, you are making assumptions about what it is and isn't used for, based off of what are very, very sketchy descriptions of the product from Nintendo. Do we know every little detail about how it will work? No. Right now, it sounds like the "always on" is pretty darned close to what your router does anyway. We're not talking about an incredible amount of power here -- there is easily more power going through a light bulb than what would be used by the Wii. It is a convenience situation, sure.

Of course, Nintendo could also be using it as a platform to have everyone help everyone else with the patch downloads. If everyone's Wii took, let's say.... 1kb of upload bandwidth (not kB as in byte, kb as in bit -- a rediculously small number), and there was a torrent-like peer-to-peer system built for the updates for the Wii, then it not only makes sense, but is an intelligent choice. It keeps the Nintendo servers from being utterly and irreparably bogged down, it keeps everyone updated quickly and efficiently, and it makes the overall impact on the 'net drastically lower all around. It is a win-win situation.

But in your eye, it would not be worth it, I guess. Not saying that is exactly how it will work, just providing a plausable explanation as to why it would be a great thing, and far more than just a mediocre "convenience" as you are putting off.

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Re: Standby - [info]eternallegenduk, 2006-07-20 09:43 am UTC
Misguided and frankly retarded..
[info]thabor
2006-07-25 09:03 pm UTC (link)
Standby/sleep modes are power conservation modes in the first place. The most likely response for Nintendo is to disable the power saving feature in the UK rather than scrapping the connect feature.

In other words the system will stay on consuming full power to do the same thing it could have done with less. Bet all the DVR companies will be grateful for the fresh sales as well. If I were with an energy lobby I would be all for this given the extra consumption I'm likely to get.


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Research perhaps?
[info]blech
2006-07-28 03:31 pm UTC (link)
Nice to see you doing your research. Oh, no, wait, you read the Times and parroted what it said without even looking for anything else, didn't you? How about this release which suggests the Government isn't going to introduce any UK specific legislation at all, but to continue to push for an international 1-watt usage level? This might still give Nintendo problems, of course, but that's an issue it can take up the International Energy Agency, and I'd hope their experience with portable consoles would help them to be energy-efficient.

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