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Entry tags:barbara kaczynski, grand jury, robert morgenthau, ryan bright, sec, subpoena, take-two

New York Post: T2 in Trouble & It's Not Just Hot Coffee

That whoosh you're hearing is the sound of Take-Two Interactive's stock price (NASDAQ: TTWO) in free fall.

Shares in the Grand Theft Auto publisher closed at 12.87 yesterday following news that a grand jury in New York had subpoenaed corporate records including those relating to last year's Hot Coffee scandal. 12.87 represents Take-Two's lowest stock price since early 2003. In after-hours trading prices dropped even more, to 10.30.

Bad news continues to pile up for T2. As reported by today's New York Post, the firm is in the crosshairs of D.A. Robert Morgenthau not just over Hot Coffee, but for the way it reported what the Post terms "key financial information."

The paper reported that the subpoenas served on T2 were "unusually wide-ranging" and demanded paperwork related to "acquisitions, partnerships and the recent dismissal of its longtime auditor, PricewaterhouseCoopers."

The Post also recapped T2's history of run-ins with regulatory agencies. Most notably, in June, 2005 the GTA publisher settled an SEC investigation by agreeing to a $7.5 million penalty for what the newspaper describes as "orchestrating a multi-year revenue scam."

As part of that deal CEO Ryan Bright was forced to step down and paid a $3.6 million fine. The Post also reports that "Despite the fines and shareholder losses, several people tied to the revenue scam are still employed by the company."

The Hot Coffee scandal, of course, is well-known to GP readers and the video game community. But also vexing Take-Two, according to the NY Post, is the resignation of board member Barbara Kaczynski in early 2006.

As reported at the time by GamePolitics, Kaczynski, who chaired the Take-Two board's audit committee, was highly critical of the publisher in her letter of resignation, citing an "increasingly unhealthy relationship between senior management and the board of directors ... characterized by a lack of cooperation and respect."

Shortly after leaving the company, Kaczynski hired a well-known securities defense lawyer, leading to speculation that the financial matters she left behind might be the subject of an investigation.

According to the Post, T2 is also in financial straits over the huge licensing fee it paid to Major League Baseball for exclusive rights (GP would call them "monopoly rights" but that's another rant for another time) to create MLB video games.

"They are selling a lot of MLB games," an unnamed stock trader told the Post, "but they aren't making a dime."

The New York Times has a little more on the T2 situation in Tuesday's edition.

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[info]terminator44
2006-06-27 01:39 pm UTC (link)
According to the Post, T2 is also in financial straits over the huge licensing fee it paid to Major League Baseball for exclusive rights (GP would call them "monopoly rights" but that's another rant for another time) to create MLB video games.

The only reason they did that was to try and counter their competiter EA's move to gain monopoly rights to the NFL. The only other thing I have to say right now is that Jack will probably call this development a victory and take all the credit for it.

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[info]goodrobotus
2006-06-27 02:11 pm UTC (link)
Well, not a surprising reaction from the stockholders. I still think this is turning into a Nipple-gate, but, considering the kneejerk reaction of a lot of states, who started censoring games, it's not that surprising that this happens, someone needs to be blamed.

Personally, I think what will be found out is that (1) Yes, the programming managers knew the content was available, but higher management were aware it had been 'scrapped' and assumed it had been removed, possibly they actually thought it was too 'risky' to put onto the market, possibly it as just a bad sub-game. (2) Since the code was disabled by the software, and the original version of GTA:SA has no access to those scenes whatsoever, even if the code to run it is there, that Take 2 are guilty only of taking unsatisfactory precautions when dealing with content to be removed.

Personally, I'm more annoyed by their reaction to it, had they said at the start it was a built-in game that had been removed, but someone had reactivated the trigger for that game, I think this would not have been nearly as bad.

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A company...
[info]shaun_skipper
2006-06-27 02:32 pm UTC (link)
is only as good as the people who run it. Take Two is clearly the a major problem to the Game Industry, much like Enron was to the Oil and Gas Industry. I can't say I'm truly suprised given there long string of fumbles. Ultimately, So long as we have corrupt people running major corporations, we will continue to have these sorts of problems no matter what industry it may be.

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[info]sir_bissel
2006-06-27 02:41 pm UTC (link)
So... now's the time to buy?

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[info]gamepolitics
2006-06-27 03:02 pm UTC (link)
could be...

as I type this the stock is at 10.67 but has been as low as 9.85 in early trading.

Hey, you could buy and then go to the stockholders meeting and rant and rave and...

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[info]sir_bissel
2006-06-27 05:12 pm UTC (link)
Hmmm, stockholders meetings, complaining about people complaining... Sounds good to me!

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[info]terminator44
2006-06-27 07:16 pm UTC (link)
Don't those meetings have free brownies, chips, and soda?

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[info]jakethejuggalo
2006-06-27 03:21 pm UTC (link)
as long as i get my GTA4, i dont care what happens to take-two.

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[info]elricbrother3
2006-06-27 04:06 pm UTC (link)
What about Civilization 5?

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[info]nightwng2000
2006-06-27 04:20 pm UTC (link)
I'm no expert, but a few people have pointed out that even if Take-Two itself were lost, the individual companies under it could still survive, possibly even be bought by other companies. While T2 is taking the brunt, Rockstar may survive quite nicely. Then again, who knows. Make me a billionaire and I'd happily buy it. Of course, there would be improvments (I'm of course speaking of the Advanced Storytelling Technologies that I always blather on about). And who knows, surgery simulators galore? :)

nightwng2000

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Conspiracy theorist at work.
[info]nightwng2000
2006-06-27 04:15 pm UTC (link)
Ok, here's a question:
Is NY one of the areas suing/threatening to sue T2 regarding the pension fund issues? I think, but I didn't do a quick search, that in regards to NY, it was a police pension fund that threatened to sue some time back. I can't remember if the suit has actually taken place.

It would, however, seem more like some form of manipulation by publically initiating this Grand Jury hearing. After all, even the most novice financially knowledgable individual will know that such media will have a negative impact on the stock.

Even if the suit focused on last year, the impact on this action will probably be brought up, if not in the NY pension fund suit, then certainly in some future suit.

Perhaps that came out a little muddled, but there does feel like some attempt to manipulate the whole thing because, as I say, the publicity both in the original "Hot Coffee" and the publicity in this Grand Jury issue both did, and would have been expected to, have an effect on the stock prices.

It does feel like someone has some other purpose behind this, financial-wise at the least.

nightwng2000

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Re: Conspiracy theorist at work.
[info]gamepolitics
2006-06-27 05:30 pm UTC (link)
well, as I understand it, T2 revealed the subpoena (it was probably required to do so under SEC rules), not the DA's office.

There are a number of Hot Coffee-related class-action suits, some of which involve institutional investors such as pension funds. Not sure whether the NYPD fund is involved, but I recall that a police pension fund in Michigan (Flint? have to search GP) was involved in a suit.

Not sure what you are saying, though. Why would anyone want to drive the price down? (unless you were a short seller, which I don't think institutional investors do)

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Re: Conspiracy theorist at work.
[info]nightwng2000
2006-06-27 10:52 pm UTC (link)
"Not sure what you are saying, though. Why would anyone want to drive the price down? (unless you were a short seller, which I don't think institutional investors do)"

A sabotage type conspiracy relating to the pension suits. But if T2 released it willingly, without being required, then the conspiracy could be that they... what? Forcing themselves towards a bankruptcy in advance of the suits? Lowering their value in advance of the suits?

If they were required to, and the government knew they would be required to and filed for the effect it received, it could be to further deepen the effect of the suits "look, they're losing even more money because of Hot Coffee".

Ok, it's a really, really, wild conspiracy theory. I'm only a level 0 or 1 (out of 20 levels, sorry, reference to old C64 chess games) chess player, so I can't think that many moves ahead. My conspiracy theories don't go very deep. But, clearly, with all the animosity towards T2, all the law suits, and all the effects on their finances that the media tends to take part in, one has to wonder if there is a secondary goal.

I mean, it's true many folks want answers regarding the Hot Coffee issue. But considering how much so many, government and otherwise, put into doing whatever they can to T2, supposedly BECAUSE of Hot Coffee, I have to wonder if there is something more to this than just looking for answers, at least for a few out there who wants this Grand Jury hearing to take place.

nightwng2000

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Re: Conspiracy theorist at work.
[info]gamepolitics
2006-06-27 11:46 pm UTC (link)
remember that all of the T2 execs own stock as well. They'd be slitting their own throats financially...

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Re: Conspiracy theorist at work.
[info]nightwng2000
2006-06-28 01:07 am UTC (link)
That might have been true if this were pre Hot Coffee stock prices and this recent dip was taken off that.

But the stock this time around has been at "low" levels for some time. It's given the board time to back up their finances through other means and prepare for such a tactic, were it one of their own doing. Events that have been occuring over the last 6 months, let alone the last year, was a sign that T2 was going to take a big hit anyway. Concern over what the FTC was going to do (turned out not really bad), threats of suits against T2, and continued negative publicity, T2 board members must have been considering options, even rather self-destructive options, on how to get out of their mess. As others have said, the companies owned by T2 may actually survive, in one form or another, even in the decimation of T2 itself.

T2 closed pretty low, not at the day's lowest, but still down. It may recover a point or 2 over the next few days, but once publicity of the actual Grand Jury hearing hits, there'll be another dive. Irregardless of the answers, the publicity will, in some quarters, be rather negative, obviously. Maybe if the stocks hadn't fallen so far last year, T2 would have had more to work with. But I doubt mere damage control could bring T2 back. And they, and their opponents, know that. Kinda hard to keep damage control going when you're still taking damage. I think someone already sees that and is taking advantage. For T2, no mere bandage could fix this. Either a complete regeneration (Doctor Who reference) or "kill the patient to cure the disease".

nightwng2000

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[info]grimm24
2006-06-27 09:30 pm UTC (link)
I have to say this is just silly.

I mean T2 made some major mistakes, as in putting the entire game industry in danger by lieing to everyone about hot coffee, but hasnt this gone far enougth?!?

I mean why should employees at T2 have to pay for the mistakes of executives?!?

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[info]gamepolitics
2006-06-27 09:46 pm UTC (link)
unfortunately, it's always that way.

Soldiers pay for the mistakes of generals, citizens pay for the mistakes of presidents, etc.

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[info]juffles
2006-06-28 12:30 am UTC (link)
You think it was a senior manager's explicit decision to leave the hot coffee scenes in? Smells to me like the coders/graphics guys did it as a joke, then it got either forgotten or hidden as an easter egg. Remember that someone had to actually make those scenes, and I can't see a manager putting "Create explicit blow-job scene that we'll never release." on the gantt chart.

They've been quite careful to use innuendo in all of the GTAs with respect to sex - picking up a prostitute shows you a low-angle shot of the car rocking - which makes the hot coffee scene all the more out of character.

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Karmic payback
[info]blackmanta
2006-06-27 10:24 pm UTC (link)
Considering all this news, I consider this to be kind of a karmic payback for Take 2, and not just for Hot Coffee or GTA: San Andreas (don't worry, guys, I'm still very much pro game!) But if you look at Take 2's history, the company has had a reputation for bad marketing decisions and mistreating their developers for years.

Case in point: Derek Smart's experience with them in the making of Battlecruiser 3000 A.D.. Now I know Smart is a controversial figure in the industry as he is known for his massive ego, but having read of his experience with T2 in making this game - a frustrating and volatile experience he describes - which ultimately led to their shipping the game in a buggy and incomplete state (a decision he blamed them for), that pretty much tracks with all the other stuff T2 has done since (whether or not Paul Eibler was CEO of T2 at the time of BC3K I don't know). At the very least, some of what they've done over the years seems just a tad unscrupulous. Again, I reiterite, it isn't just about GTA, this stuff goes back years, and they're finally getting their comeuppance.

Unfortunately, as others have said, JT is going to believe this to be all his doing and take all the credit for it like he always does - and for all the wrong reasons.

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Re: Karmic payback
[info]gamepolitics
2006-06-27 11:46 pm UTC (link)
hey, can you get Derek to post here? I've seen some god-awful long threads with him on Usenet in the old days. He would make GP's hit count go up!!

;-)

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Re: Karmic payback
[info]curiousthompson
2006-06-28 01:40 am UTC (link)
I weep for what happens when SA goons find out.

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Re: Karmic payback
[info]gamepolitics
2006-06-28 02:04 am UTC (link)
SA ???

(I probably should know what that is, but....)

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Re: Karmic payback
[info]curiousthompson
2006-06-28 07:35 am UTC (link)
Oh those Something Awful goons look like they are bad at first, but after a while you find out that they are nice while being assholes at the same time. It's like what would happen if the Chosen one futher combined "Gonad" and "Badong" creating "Gobadng". And thus I confused everyone once again.

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Derek Smart (for those who don't know of him)
[info]gamepolitics
2006-06-28 10:52 am UTC (link)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Smart

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Re: Karmic payback
[info]terminator44
2006-06-28 01:30 am UTC (link)
Unfortnatly, most massive publishers (EA, T2, etc.) are known for such despicable tatics. It isn't just T2 that is the problem, but the whole corporate culture of "do whatever it takes to make a profit". Anyway, I hope that EA gets it's comeuppance as well, as most of the stuff T2 has done could be laid at their feet.

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Not that this can make that much of a difference...
[info]zhai
2006-06-28 08:23 am UTC (link)
But T2 is also setting themselves up wide and clear for a labor lawsuit. Blackmanta mentions it above, and yeah, I've talked to people connected to them and they have been in OT for months, mandatory, no breaks, laying off people who resist. Ultimately other things will bring them down, but the outward stuff is only the surface level manifestation of their issues. With Hot Coffee and the other stock-related screwing around, they were really pretty surprisingly stupid, and the rest is all going to eat them from the inside. So no, I wouldn't start buying their stock anytime soon.

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T2 has many enemies
[info]monkeyincorner
2006-06-28 12:48 pm UTC (link)
They have been the target of a short hedge fund for years. T2 doesn't deserve to be hit with all these lawsuits. What have they done? Why is Hot Coffee so controversial if you can download graphic, real porn, off the web in a matter of seconds? Kids have access to computers as well, Microsoft should be sued fo giving kids an operating system and internet browser. What about Cable Channels that show graphic content at night? Kids can stay up late, shouldn't Cinemax and Viacom be sued? Why should a game that has a big M rating on it with description such as "strong sexual content" and targeted at 17 and over adults considered a kids domain? The politicians are colluding with many of T2's enemies to bring it down. If T2 goes away, GTA games will be stopped from being made, that's the logic they're using and if I was a gamer or associated with the gaming industry, I would be working very hard to defend T2 or all of us lose in the end.

Nice job Dennis getting quotes from the NY Post. Out of all reputable publications, you chose to quote from the worst and the only publication to have ties to hedge funds who are short the T2 stock. I find it laughable they themselves are quoting an "anonymous stock trader", please don't use the Post's tabloid style as trustworthy news source.

The death of T2 really helps this industry, we should all celebrate. If you can't censor them, if you can't stop people from buying their products, kill them financially and they'll go away. There's nothing more the politicians and certain misguided lawyers want to see, keep the cheerleading up Dennis.

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Re: T2 has many enemies
[info]gamepolitics
2006-06-28 02:43 pm UTC (link)
"Nice job Dennis getting quotes from the NY Post. Out of all reputable publications, you chose to quote from the worst and the only publication to have ties to hedge funds who are short the T2 stock. I find it laughable they themselves are quoting an "anonymous stock trader", please don't use the Post's tabloid style as trustworthy news source. "

Whoa, there, monk. We quoted from the NY Post because they had the most in-depth story on the T2 situation. Other papers mainly parroted the Reuters piece, which was pretty bare-bones.

"keep the cheerleading up Dennis"

Cheap shot. This company is clearly troubled, beset by lawsuits and investigations. Would you prefer that I ignore that for the typical video game industry line that anything and everything to do with games is just fab?

If so, you're in the wrong place.

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[info]monkeyincorner
2006-06-28 05:09 pm UTC (link)
NY Post is a tabloid and is known to have connection to Rocker Partners (Google Roddy Boyd and Take-Two and Rocker Partners), a major hedge fund that is short the Take2 stock.

I'll help out, here's a better story from a more reputable outlet. At least they quote analysts familiar with the industry not "anonymous stock traders"!

http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/Story.aspx?siteid=yhoo&guid=%7B757A916E%2D0399%2D48E9%2DA9BD%2D6B89F5F93E09%7D&

I apologize if you think it's a cheap shot, I didn't intend it that way but your stories seem to come off that way. You don't need to be a cheerleader for indsutry or Take2, but it would be helpful to explain to your readers what is really going on - an orchestrated attempt by a variety of outfits, with different motivations, that want to destroy Take2 and Rockstar and do away with GTA and similar games forever.

The FTC investigated Take2, what did they discover? What's the big deal about the Hot Coffee scene anyway? Even if it was left in the game, not locked, it shouldn't have generated such backlash. Other publishers have released questionable content in their games, God of War is an example, an yet you hear nothing, why?

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[info]gamepolitics
2006-06-28 05:43 pm UTC (link)
"orchestrated" by who?

Do you think the SEC, Jack Thompson, the Manhattan D.A. and all of the various stockholder suits are talking to one another?

I don't buy that one.

If Take-Two's problems began and ended with Hot Coffee they'd be past it by now, especially if they hadn't lied. publicly. for weeks.

I'm guessing there are SEC and other corporate governance issues that will prove more damaging.

If I'm very critical of T2 it's because I believe they deserve it. They don't help themselves when they lie or get themselves into jams with the SEC. Smells like the corporate culture there needs some sunlight. Nothing like a grand jury for that...

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