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Supporters of Venezuela's Chavez Outraged by New Video Game

Can a video game inspire an invasion?

Supporters of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez (left) seem to think so. The Associated Press reports that some members of the Chavez regime are angry about Mercenaries 2: World in Flames, an action-oriented shoot-em-up under development by Pandemic Studios. Although not expected to launch until next year , Mercenaries 2 was trumpeted to media members attending the recent E3 expo in Los Angeles.

Members of the Chavez government are upset by the game's back story, which centers around a hypothetical invasion of Venezuela in order to seize oil assets from a crazed dictator. Real-world relations between Chavez and the Bush administration have been increasingly fractious in recent times. According to the AP, Chavez supporters in Venezuela's National Assembly believe Mercenaries 2 is designed to assist the U.S. government in building popular support for an invasion to remove Chavez from power.

"I think the U.S. government knows how to prepare campaigns of psychological terror so they can make things happen later," Congressman Ismael Garcia said.

Pandemic, however, played down the concerns of Chavez supporters. Chris Norris, a publicist for the game developer, denied that Mercenaries 2 was trying to make a political statement, but did allow that the studio's game designers "always want to have a rip from the headlines. Although a conflict doesn't necessarily have to be happening, it's realistic enough to believe that it could eventually happen."

Lawmaker Gabriela Ramirez told the AP that the game falsely portrays Chavez as a tyrant, and that Mercenaries 2 might be banned under pending Venezuelan legislation which would block children from violent video games.

"It sends a message to Americans, Ramirez said. "You have a danger next door, here in Latin America, and action must be taken. It's a justification for an imperialist aggression..

GP: Pandemic's decision to base Mercs 2 in Venezuela is a bit edgy, to be sure. On the other hand, game publishers are increasingly seeking to make players feel like they are living the news. EA's Battlefield 2, of course, features U.S. forces conducting combat missions in Iraq and China. NovaLogic's Blackhawk Down, simulated the late-90's U.S. intervention in Somalia. And GP notes that the original Mercenaries, released in 2005, was a highly-rated, over-the-top action game which posited a fictitious invasion of North Korea. In the original, players could choose to work for the U.S., South Korea, or the Russian Mafia. GameSpot has detailed preview info on Mercenaries 2.

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[info]chenry
2006-05-25 12:33 pm UTC (link)
What system is Merc2 on? Looks pretty shiny...

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[info]jythie
2006-05-25 06:30 pm UTC (link)
PS3 it appears.

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Hugo Chavez is a crybaby
[info]beardoggx
2006-05-25 01:09 pm UTC (link)
According to the AP, Chavez supporters in Venezuela's National Assembly believe Mercenaries 2 is designed to assist the U.S. government in building popular support for an invasion to remove Chavez from power.

Bullshit. If that were the case, we would have invaded North Korea by now.

Lawmaker Gabriela Ramirez told the AP that the game falsely portrays Chavez as a tyrant,

His actions suggest otherwise.

And GP notes that the original Mercenaries, released in 2005, was a highly-rated, over-the-top action game which posited a fictitious invasion of North Korea. In the original, players could choose to work for the U.S., South Korea, or the Russian Mafia.

You could also work for China, and all the factions in North Korea had their own goals.(In fact, near the end, the South Koreans and the Chinese go to war, as most of the SK and Chinese missions involve sabotaging the other)

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[info]father_time89
2006-05-25 01:19 pm UTC (link)
never knew the next Mercenary game is eaking place in Venezuala. I think maybe Panmdemic should just simply change the name of the country, unless every country starts to complain when the pick them.

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[info]gatz111085
2006-05-25 03:22 pm UTC (link)
it could always take place in a country called "Not Venezuala" ruled by the tyrant "Cugo Havez"

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[info]father_time89
2006-05-25 10:18 pm UTC (link)
no I mean they should say it now takes place in "insert random south american country that is not venezuala" unless some of the places in the game are actaul places in Venezuala.

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[info]nitkin1
2006-05-26 02:41 am UTC (link)
wasnt the original ghost recon about venezuala? i havent played it in a few years, but i remember something out it being in venezuela

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Wow a communist against games, what a suprise
[info]grimm24
2006-05-25 01:23 pm UTC (link)
Words cannot describe my hatred for Hugo Chavez.

This man is a tyrant who still thinks that the ideals of suppressing human rights and freedom still works.

This guy HATES america. I mean HATES us.

Heck im with Pat Robertson when he said we should have Navy Seals blow this guys head off

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Re: Wow a communist against games, what a suprise
[info]mrpat___
2006-05-25 03:27 pm UTC (link)
Only if you take out Robertson first. That man spreads even more hatred.

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Re: Wow a communist against games, what a suprise
[info]chenry
2006-05-25 04:35 pm UTC (link)
the day we take advice from Pat Robertson is the day I saw off my own legs with a rusty hacksaw. The guy's a delusional kook, a racist, a mysoginst, anti-semtic, and a homophobe (of the highest order). To say the least

Relying on him as a source of accurate information regarding Chavez is like giving a chimp a loaded handgun.

Plus, he claims he can leg-press 2,000 lbs. C'mon, who buys that?

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Re: Wow a communist against games, what a suprise
[info]jythie
2006-05-25 06:35 pm UTC (link)
Hmmm.. first a highly visible public figure with loose connections to the current administration and significant political clout pushs for assasination...

Then an american video game company with loose DoD ties produces a video game involving invading his country in part to out him.

While I may not like the guy, I can't fault him for being kinda suspicious of such patterns, esp if he comes from a country where the ties between government and corperations is so tight. He might actually believe that the DoD has a real say in 3rd party games.

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Re: Wow a communist against games, what a suprise
[info]spartancanuck
2006-05-25 08:46 pm UTC (link)
Yeah. He hates America so much that he has an oil aid program that provides cheap heating oil to impoverished families in Massachusetts.... and was one of the first to offer aid to the Gulf Coast after Hurricane Katrina. The bastard.

Calling him a communist is dramatic hyperbole, or perhaps some unique American usage of the word, like 'liberal'. In practice, he's more of a... pinko. Like a Scandinavian or Canadian social-democrat.

Dictator... alas... no. There MIGHT have been some vote tampering on his behalf in his re-election. Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch aren't exactly favourable of his human rights record, admittedly, but their investigations into many of these acts aren't exactly panning out - hence they have them listed as 'allegations' rather than actual abuses. Personally, I figure he's probably guilty of something. To govern in that part of the world... gee, there's a distinct chance he's not a perfect saint. And he does seem to be kind of pompous, and it's probably correct to accuse him of demagoguery.

But in the grand scheme of things, that's not all that evil. I mean... when I look at that record, he seems like an analog to Bush, just from a different end of the political spectrum. And with an actual military career prior to his political life.

Now, I suppose he can be accused of lack of good humor and censorship regarding a game about toppling the Venezeulan gov't... but I doubt there would be considerable warmth to the idea of Pandemic making a game about toppling a US president-turned-dictator either, particularly if a little too much of the inspiration was 'pulled from today's headlines'.

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Re: Wow a communist against games, what a suprise
[info]kincyr
2006-05-26 06:10 am UTC (link)
This guy HATES america. I mean HATES us.
At least if a certain Miami-based attorney supports him, that's grounds for treason.

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Re: Wow a communist against games, what a suprise
[info]gamepolitics
2006-05-26 09:39 am UTC (link)
I see no evidence of his supporting Chavez. Given Miami Jack's political sensibilities, I would think quite the opposite, in fact...

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[info]ioncow00
2006-05-25 01:49 pm UTC (link)
Did anyone else see the name Chris Norris and think it said Chuck? I gotta get offa WoW...

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Re: Wow a communist against games, what a suprise
[info]chenry
2006-05-25 04:35 pm UTC (link)
hah hah! yeah, i saw "Chuck Norris" too.

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[info]rhanlav
2006-05-25 02:03 pm UTC (link)
What about G.R.A.W.? I mean, thats taking place in The Future but its Mexico City all the same. Eh, wait, wasn't there folks complaining about GRAW because the Canadian prime minister was assassinated in the game? Whatever happened to that, other than a lot of fuss and feathers and not much else? And also wasn't there are video game a few years back that featured a guy that looked a lot like Saddam?

And as for Venezuela, they've been all uppity since Pat Robertson said that they should assassinate Chavez, and then Pat said he didn't say Assassinate, which me and Mister YouTube.com could prove otherwise. Its really not that suprising Chavez is being all defensive.

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[info]scazza
2006-05-25 03:15 pm UTC (link)
God I love the story of GRAW, and there was only a little bit of stuff up here in canada about it, but its made by Ubisoft (which is loved by canada cuz their montreal studio).

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[info]johnhummel
2006-05-25 02:03 pm UTC (link)
Part of the problem is trying to find "acceptable" bad guys in the world or situations. Killing Nazis? Sure - pretty much everybody is on board with that. Invading North Korea? Again, most people see that country as "very very bad", so it's "ethically OK" to depict games going after them, because most people have the mindset of "them bad". Look at the games that took place in Iraq, a country known for gassing people.

The question is: does this mindset in the media make it easier to invade? Would we have invaded Iraq, or taken more time to look at the evidence or wait for the weapons inspectors, if they hadn't already been on our "naughty bad people" list? (Note: this is not a response for or against the war in Iraq, but a thought experiment - let's not start a flame war between annoying uber-conservatives and uber-liberals). What if the country under suspicion of hosting WMD's had been Belguim - a country more known for its diamond cartel than anything else? Would people's perception of that country have changed how the events went along?

So Mr. Chavez on the one hand may have a point - but I think he's overestimating how much games influence the common person in this country. To me, this is no more realistic than the book I ran across about a second civil war in the US, where Isreal had to bail the country out (the cover featured an American Indian on a horse shooting an arrow at an Isreali tank. Yeah - not terribly realistic), or the Tom Clancy story about an invasion of Greenland by the Soviet Union or "Red Dawn" (starring the formerly hunky-now-reptilian Patrick Swayze). We all knew it was bunk, just a piece of fluff - and just for entertainment.

Final vote from me: Making mountains out of molehills. Of course, that's just my opinion - i could be wrong.

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Probably...
[info]hsilman
2006-05-25 02:55 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, I definitely believe you that Chavez is going nuts over nothing. But just imagine if the US *does* decide to do something about him? The press this game is going to get is gonna be out of this world. I wonder what effect it would all have on the game industry at large?


Not saying the game will have anything to do with affecting the real invasion or whatnot, but someone will point it out. Oh, and as for your first question, yes absolutely. I mean, Russia has "omg wmdzor" for example, yet you don't see us rushing in there and forcing them to get rid of them ASAP. We're on a disarmament track with them. Also, I don't think we'd invade britain if they suddenly decided to stop disarming. It would just be a big controversy etc etc.

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[info]braindead1
2006-05-25 03:19 pm UTC (link)
Wouldn't it be nice if a game that was 'ripped' from the headlines also managed to grab the moral ambiguity and ethical crisis's of many modern wars. What if you had to make really brain/heart wrenching decisions in the game, weather to do something unethical, but disobey orders, or do the unethical thing and obey orders. Or something like that.

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[info]jdmdsp911
2006-05-25 07:28 pm UTC (link)
Splinter Cell: Double Agent is supposedly going to have the player make choices like that throughout the game.

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[info]braindead1
2006-05-25 10:52 pm UTC (link)
I never liked Splinter Cell

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[info]spartancanuck
2006-05-25 09:35 pm UTC (link)
I'm noting that in this game, one can apparently work for Venezeulan geurillas to attack foreign oil interests. At least, according to the Gamespot preview.

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[info]glassandahalf
2006-05-26 01:33 am UTC (link)
just to point out, it isnt Mr Chavez with the problem with it, its members of his government

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[info]gamepolitics
2006-05-26 01:44 am UTC (link)
I think you need to read between the lines there...

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[info]glassandahalf
2006-05-26 01:53 am UTC (link)
bollocks...

YOU even interviewed a dude who's had the media completely blow things out of proportion for him last week (sonic jihad)... Everytime a congressman or senatator says something in the USA should people take it as the line of George Bush? (whilst that might make for improvements, it wouldnt with a regular president...)

The reality is none of these quotes can be attributed to Hugo Chavez, so they shouldnt be... they can however be attributed to members of his parliament, and should be, accordingly.

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[info]gamepolitics
2006-05-27 11:39 am UTC (link)
the quotes were all attributed properly. I've changed the headline to avoid confusion.

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Future President for Life Chavez
[info]verbinator
2006-05-25 03:49 pm UTC (link)
Mr. Chavez is simply following in the time-honored tradition of South and Central American leaders becoming "President for Life" as soon as they possibly can. Just like the current president of Iran, he is pounding his chest and threatening all the terrible things he will do when the USA invades his country. I imagine he is desperately hoping we will invade so that he can appear righteous in his paranoia.

The worst thing we could do to crack pots like these guys is to develop abundant, non-fossil fuel energy technologies and just cut them out of the loop.

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[info]finaleve
2006-05-25 04:11 pm UTC (link)
This guy is a tad paranoid, and that was an understatement.

How many games out there involve invasions and of the sort? A lot. I mean, sure, many are fictions, but to call out the fact that it would start an invasion?

If the game had been created by the US Gov't, then yeah, I could understand where hes coming from.

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[info]jythie
2006-05-25 06:47 pm UTC (link)
Pandemic does actually have some loose connections to the DoD, which I could see some people reading more control in then is actually there.

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[info]gamepolitics
2006-05-25 06:55 pm UTC (link)
I guess you are referring to the military version of Full Spectrum Warrior?

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[info]jythie
2006-05-25 07:22 pm UTC (link)
*nods* That is the connection that I am thinking.
I should have specified, my bad ^_^

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[info]ioncow00
2006-05-25 04:36 pm UTC (link)
Kinda makes me think of that South Park episode where radical islam didn't want images of Mohammed depicted in an episode of Family Guy, under threat of dire retaliation.

Maybe Hugo Chavez should make a game where Venezuala invades the US and craps all over everything?

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[info]lwindowlicker
2006-05-25 06:24 pm UTC (link)
People are really reaching now.

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Someone had a good idea
[info]braindead1
2006-05-26 12:08 am UTC (link)
Rely on non-fossil fuels and cut the loony out of the loop.

I think if the U.S should do ONE last thing, one last thing before we vanish into obscurity, it should not be a war, it shouldn't be some new conquest. It should be a new form of energy that will allow us to stop fighting over oil. And cut gas prices down. Unfortunately I don't see that happen, because of how much money people are making via selling gas.

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Re: Someone had a good idea
[info]glassandahalf
2006-05-26 02:51 am UTC (link)
unlikely... you guys wont even ratify the Kyoto Protocol on carbon emissions...

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Kyoto is really stupid-o
[info]hsilman
2006-05-26 01:52 pm UTC (link)
Just tangentially on subject, and sorry to pull this line more OT, but I want to mention that it would have been incredibly stupid for the US to sign the Kyoto Protocol.

It heavily favors Asian countries with it's "emission reduction", not to mention is totally unenforceable. Also, within a few years China will far "out pollute" the US, and it's also one of the countries that is less restricted by the Kyoto Protocols. The US didn't sign it, not because "we loves our SUVsz0r", but because the document was a biased piece of crap. Maybe if a truly equilateral agreement on global warming is developed, then if the US doesn't get on board people will have something to complain about.

Not to mention, regardless of what Al Gore thinks, recent scientific evidence points towards maybe global warming is just part of the natural cycle of rising/falling temperatures over the course of the Earth's history. If you don't believe me on this one, I'll gladly proffer up the proof from at least one decently respectable scientific community when I get back from work.

Though, I think this simple question might be able to persuade you to at least view the idea of natural global warming as a possibility:

If the emission of greenhouse gas worldwide has increased more than 10 fold since the 1950s, why hasn't the global increase of temperature scaled up in response?

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Re: Kyoto is really stupid-o
[info]goodrobotus
2006-05-27 10:43 pm UTC (link)
It doesn't quite work like that, though a lot of people make the mistake of comparing the cutting down of the Amazon rainforest with Global Warming, which is also untrue, the larger problem, oddly enough, is not really the emissions getting into the atmosphere, most of it is done by blue-green algae, and they make a massive difference to the mixture of our air. Most scientists tend to believe both a natural and a man-made cycle is taking place. Other cycles are also helping to reduce the effects, but, for example, the North Pole has melted entirely for the last few years in summer.

Most scientists agree that there is a cycle of Glacial/Inter-glacial, but a very large percent of those same scientists will say that our CO2 emissions are having an effect on that cycle, whether accelerating it, or delaying it (both of which could be as bad as each other) they are not certain, but they are certainly noticing some kind of impact.

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[info]zippydsmlee
2006-05-26 12:44 am UTC (link)
WHat is he going to do next call for a boyycot of all thigns that have Venezuela in a bad light? get over yourself,hell its so easy tob ash games now world leaders are starting to get on board 0-o

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[info]markusdragon
2006-05-26 02:33 am UTC (link)
Hmm... I disagree with the idea of portraying a progressive socialist leader as being a crazed dictator, but then again, Mercenaries showed the americans as impatient warmongers, the UN as corrupt media whores, the South Koreans and Chinese as land grabbing, and the russian mafia as crazy.

Good game.

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