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Entry tags:columbine, dave grossman, gregg mccrary, michael moore, school shootings, william barrett foster

Video Games & School Shootings: Mania & Moderation

Is this week's apparent rash of school shooting plots related to video games, as some vocal critics would have it? Or, are other factors at play, in particular the Columbine anniversary, April 20th?

Among law enforcement officials, sources tell GP that the Columbine anniversary is closely monitored for its possible inspiration of copycat massacres. And what of those would-be copycats? What social and psychological factors motivate them?

Columbine killer Eric Harris, for example, suffered from depression and was taking medication. He was also an angry teenager, had recently broken up with a girlfriend and had been turned down in his longtime dream to enter the Marine Corps. He was suicidal and fascinated with guns.

GP: random thought - why does the National Rifle Association escape blame? Actor Charlton Heston was NRA president at the time of Columbine. Why is Michael Moore the only prominent social critic blaming guns instead of games?

Back on topic, GP finds rather appalling a comment made by serial video game critic Dave Grossman (seen at left) in a news report by WISH-TV8 (Indianapolis). Grossman made his remarks during a school safety summit sponsored by the Indiana School Safety Specialist Academy:

"The desire of the kids to commit this stuff is at levels we've never seen before," Grossman said. "The new ingredient in the equation is media violence, television, movies and especially the video games."

Especially the video games...

Meanwhile, in Chapel Hill, North Carolina, there is a surprising degree of official reserve concerning an apparent game connection to a 17-year-old student who briefly held a teacher and another student hostage at gunpoint, firing a shot through a window during the incident.

As reported by the News-Observer, 17-year-old William Barrett Foster faces multiple criminal charges based on the incident. He left the school prior to the arrival of police and his mother immediately placed him into a hospital. Although the news report does not specify, it's likely that he is receiving psychological treatment, since no physical injuries are mentioned.

While one student described Foster as "one of those rebel kids," others told the newspaper he was a nice but quiet kid into skateboarding and video games, especially Halo. Foster's younger brother is so skilled at the popular Xbox shooter that he plays competitively and is paid to tutor others in mastering the game.

But here's the refreshing viewpoint expressed in the News-Observer report:

"...experts cautioned against linking video-game playing and school violence. Typically there are warning signs and other symptoms besides video-game playing, said Gregg O. McCrary, a retired FBI agent who trained teachers and police on what to look for to prevent juvenile violence. McCrary now has a consulting business, Behavioral Criminology International."

"'Not everybody who plays a violent video game or watches a violent movie is violent,' he said, adding, 'More people play video games who are not violent.
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JACK THOMPSON ON TV RE KANSAS COLUMBINE AND...
[info]jackiscorrecto
2006-04-26 03:15 pm UTC (link)
NOT A SINGLE ONE OF YOU PIXELANTES WAS. THE LINK BETWEEN SCHOOL SHOOTINGS AND VIOLENT VIDEO GAMES PLAYED BY MINORS HAS BEEN FIRMLY PROVEN BY THE FBI, THE SECRET SERVICE, THE HEADS OF SIX MAJOR HEALTH CARE ORGANIZATIONS, THE US SURGEON GENERAL, THE AMERICAN PSYCHOLOGICAL ASSOCIATION, HARVARD, INDIANA UNIVERSITY, MICHIGAN STATE, AND EVEN VINCE DESI DESI. HOOAH AND ENJOY!

http://www.ksnw.com/news/stories/video/12495578.html

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Re: JACK THOMPSON ON TV RE KANSAS COLUMBINE AND...
[info]kurisu7885
2006-04-26 03:18 pm UTC (link)
wow, you provided a linik, ncie work, but, I turned it off as soon as I saw your face, sicne you have n ocredibility left whatsoever Jack.

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Re: JACK THOMPSON ON TV RE KANSAS COLUMBINE AND... - [info]kincyr, 2006-04-26 08:53 pm UTC
Re: JACK THOMPSON ON TV RE KANSAS COLUMBINE AND...
[info]kurisu7885
2006-04-26 03:26 pm UTC (link)
Or was I holding back a gag reflex, I forget.

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so is that the measure of validity?
[info]gamepolitics
2006-04-26 03:29 pm UTC (link)
...getting your face on TV?

Heck, I guess Mr. Ed and Homer Simpson are experts by that standard.

As for the FBI, read the comments of one of their own in this article.

Why won't the Attorney General there comment on your involvement?

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and what about your bud, Charlton Heston... - [info]gamepolitics, 2006-04-26 03:31 pm UTC
Re: and what about your bud, Charlton Heston... - [info]enmitywithin, 2006-04-26 03:33 pm UTC
Re: and what about your bud, Charlton Heston... - [info]anticron, 2006-04-26 03:37 pm UTC
Re: and what about your bud, Charlton Heston... - [info]brerwolf, 2006-04-26 06:52 pm UTC
Oh, forgot to provide my reference: - [info]brerwolf, 2006-04-26 06:56 pm UTC
Gotta respectfully disagree with you - [info]hadradi, 2006-04-26 07:08 pm UTC
Oh, and a cookie to anyone... - [info]hadradi, 2006-04-26 07:19 pm UTC
Re: Gotta respectfully disagree with you - [info]braindead1, 2006-04-26 11:01 pm UTC
Re: so is that the measure of validity? - [info]enmitywithin, 2006-04-26 03:32 pm UTC
Dennis? - [info]yukimurasanada, 2006-04-26 03:40 pm UTC
Yuki? - [info]gamepolitics, 2006-04-26 03:55 pm UTC
Re: Yuki? - [info]yukimurasanada, 2006-04-26 04:07 pm UTC
Re: Yuki? - [info]gamepolitics, 2006-04-26 04:50 pm UTC
Re: Yuki? - [info]yukimurasanada, 2006-04-26 04:54 pm UTC
Re: Yuki? - [info]gamepolitics, 2006-04-26 05:57 pm UTC
Re: Yuki? - [info]vansau, 2006-04-26 06:13 pm UTC
Re: so is that the measure of validity? - [info]phantompvp, 2006-04-26 03:40 pm UTC
Re: JACK THOMPSON ON TV RE KANSAS COLUMBINE AND...
[info]yzzerdd
2006-04-26 03:33 pm UTC (link)
Typing in all CAPS Jack? You must be really losing it now. Hey GetHellGamers should be account number 50.

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Re: JACK THOMPSON ON TV RE KANSAS COLUMBINE AND... - [info]phoenixzero, 2006-04-26 05:38 pm UTC
Caps != Cool
[info]lost_watcher
2006-04-26 03:33 pm UTC (link)
:p

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Re: JACK THOMPSON ON TV RE KANSAS COLUMBINE AND...
[info]catch_33
2006-04-26 03:34 pm UTC (link)
Translation: I like to be annoying, and happen to know that acting like such a thick-skulled fuckstick works wonders. Unfortunately, its going to get me in trouble, but I don't care because I'm too full of hate to admit anything. Hooah!

This is hilarious. Seriously, anyone who doesn't see this shit for what it is a fool.

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Re: JACK THOMPSON ON TV RE KANSAS COLUMBINE AND... - [info]yzzerdd, 2006-04-26 03:44 pm UTC
De-spininification! Engage!
[info]jabrwock
2006-04-26 03:38 pm UTC (link)
http://jabrwock.livejournal.com/1402.html

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Re: De-spininification! Engage! - [info]nightwng2000, 2006-04-26 11:54 pm UTC
Re: De-spininification! Engage! - [info]jabrwock, 2006-04-26 11:57 pm UTC
Re: JACK THOMPSON ON TV RE KANSAS COLUMBINE AND...
[info]residentlune
2006-04-26 03:40 pm UTC (link)
CAPITAL LETTERS ARE THE BEST THING IN THE WORLD DESU DESU DESU DESU DESU!!

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a single flaw with this argument...
[info]semperar
2006-04-26 03:42 pm UTC (link)

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Re: a single flaw with this argument... - [info]xlorep_darkhelm, 2006-04-26 04:19 pm UTC
Re: JACK THOMPSON ON TV RE KANSAS COLUMBINE AND...
[info]poet_ninja
2006-04-26 03:43 pm UTC (link)
Let's add, just 'cause it bears adding again:

correlation is not causation!

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Re: JACK THOMPSON ON TV RE KANSAS COLUMBINE AND...
[info]illspirit
2006-04-26 03:44 pm UTC (link)
Attention Jack "Cowardly Lion" Thompson



Seeing how you like going after media which inspires school shootings, and you also hate gangsta rap, well, I've got a lovely new target for you:

Sometime last year, a thug rapper by the name of Ill Bill (no relation) put out a song titled The Anatomy of a School Shooting. As you could probably guess, the song glorifies Columbine ('tis even written from Eric Harris' perspective), and, well, to be frank, it almost makes it sound fun. There's more where this came from, to be sure. However this example is just too perfect. Part of the lyrics can be read here.

So, yea, here's my challenge. If you're really out to stop all media which promotes this type of behavior, and not just after games for a quick buck. Prove it. Put your money where your mouth is (after taking your foot out, naturally), and try to sue Bill and Necro. If you don't, I'll take this as admission that you don't care one bit about the kids, that you're only chasing ambulances, and generally just whoring yourself out for the media spotlight.

Then of course there's the whole violation of our equal protection rights provided by the Fourteenth Amendment thing. If you can sue the Florida Bar for violating your civil rights in regards to the First Amendment, what's to stop certain game publishers-- or even everyday Pixelantes --from suing you for violating out civil right to indemnity from selective persecution and prosecution?

I might also suggest you make a decision quick, because I have, well, let's just call it a hunch, that things are about to get really interesting. Ball's in your court...

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Re: JACK THOMPSON ON TV RE KANSAS COLUMBINE AND...
[info]dutch_gamer
2006-04-26 03:49 pm UTC (link)
I am glad you posted again Jacky boy. I have just talked to a psychic friend of mine. He can sense someone's true intensions. He has never been wrong and you don't need to tell him anything but show a picture of the person you want to know more about. Well I showed him a picture of you. It wasn't surprising that he told me that you work for the Devil and are only in this for the money. There is more between Heaven and Earth than we know.

I know that you won't believe this but frankly I don't care. You are lower than dirt and deserve no respect from any of us. Maybe you will some day stop with your crusade for money. Maybe you can still show remorse. But I don't believe that you will ever change. There are two things that can stop you, prison or God's wrath.

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HERE IS PROOF! SEE! I'M SAYING IT! THAT MEANS IT'S TRUE!
[info]riffraff1138
2006-04-26 03:56 pm UTC (link)

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Re: HERE IS PROOF! SEE! I'M SAYING IT! THAT MEANS IT'S TRUE! - [info]curiousthompson, 2006-04-26 04:18 pm UTC
Re: HERE IS PROOF! SEE! I'M SAYING IT! THAT MEANS IT'S TRUE! - [info]toxic_offender, 2006-04-26 10:03 pm UTC
Re: Ok... That's It...
[info]artheleron
2006-04-26 04:04 pm UTC (link)
I'd have been on TV. But I'm Canadian. And people don't like seeing common sense on TV. They prefer to see big blathering morons who can't use proper capitalization.

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What? That's It?
[info]j_man924
2006-04-26 04:17 pm UTC (link)
It looks to me like they interviewed you, cut that interview into several 5 second clips and then pasted it together in their story. You had like maybe, 20 second of air time, in which you said basically the same stuff you said last year. You didn't say anything new at all.
As to finding the violent video games, did they find anything else, like air, or food, or water? I mean all these other killers had that stuff too didn't they?
Your Cause-effect theory between violent video games and vilence doesn't work. Know why? Because everyone else that has played a violent game hasn't tried to kill anyone.

P.S. This is the first time I'd ever heard you speak. Try blowing your nose before-hand next time so you don't sound so nasally.

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Re: What? That's It? - [info]riffraff1138, 2006-04-26 04:35 pm UTC
Jack Thompson Parody Song.
[info]shadedspriter
2006-04-26 04:18 pm UTC (link)
This is too the Tune of "Small People" By Randy Newman (He song you got a friend in me...)

Jack Thompson got no reason
Jack Thompson got no reason
Jack Thompson got no reason
To live

He got Massive Forehead
And Biddy little eyes
And He walk around
Tellin' great big lies
He got big noses
And rotten little teeth
He wear Stupid Suits
To try and look very neat.

Well, We don't want no Jack Thompson
Don't want no Jack Thompson
Don't want no Jack Thompson
Round here


I am pretty sure the first verse will be true after the lawsuit Fails...

If people like this - and want to sing this - I am willing to put them all together into a mp3 file together of the parody song.

(e-mail me here ronald-san AT greyscalecomics DOT com)

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Re: Jack Thompson Parody Song. - [info]toxic_offender, 2006-04-26 10:05 pm UTC
Re: Jack Thompson Parody Song. - [info]trombone_chick, 2006-04-27 04:53 am UTC
Re: JACK THOMPSON ON TV RE KANSAS COLUMBINE AND...
[info]ianc14
2006-04-26 04:18 pm UTC (link)
First of, all caps = bad.

Now lets see...
THE LINK BETWEEN SCHOOL SHOOTINGS AND VIOLENT VIDEO GAMES PLAYED BY MINORS HAS BEEN FIRMLY PROVEN BY THE FBI, THE SECRET SERVICE, THE HEADS OF SIX MAJOR HEALTH CARE ORGANIZATIONS, THE US SURGEON GENERAL, THE AMERICAN PSYCHOLOGICAL ASSOCIATION, HARVARD, INDIANA UNIVERSITY, MICHIGAN STATE, AND EVEN VINCE DESI DESI.
Really? Got any more proof Jack?

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Re: JACK THOMPSON ON TV RE KANSAS COLUMBINE AND...
[info]xlorep_darkhelm
2006-04-26 04:23 pm UTC (link)
Nice that you learned how to link. However, that said... you can't use yourself and your own statements as proof you are right. Plus, the caps lock key is your friend.

And by the way, looks like you need another roll.



Because you must have used the whole last roll after the amount of crap that just cme out of your magic butthole again. And it's "recycled crap" to boot. You do know you shouldn't eat what comes out of your magic butthole, right?

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Re: JACK THOMPSON ON TV RE KANSAS COLUMBINE AND... - [info]kurisu7885, 2006-04-26 04:24 pm UTC
Re: JACK THOMPSON ON TV RE KANSAS COLUMBINE AND... - [info]xlorep_darkhelm, 2006-04-26 04:28 pm UTC
Re: JACK THOMPSON ON TV RE KANSAS COLUMBINE AND... - [info]kurisu7885, 2006-04-26 04:30 pm UTC
Re: JACK THOMPSON ON TV RE KANSAS COLUMBINE AND...
[info]illspirit
2006-04-26 04:30 pm UTC (link)
Hahahahahaha!! Jack, in case you didn't notice, the big, mean, "adult rated" game they found, Ghost Recon, is rated T. For teens. You really are a total fucking idiot, aren't you?

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Re: JACK THOMPSON ON TV RE KANSAS COLUMBINE AND... - [info]catch_33, 2006-04-26 04:33 pm UTC
Re: JACK THOMPSON ON TV RE KANSAS COLUMBINE AND...
[info]boffo97
2006-04-26 04:39 pm UTC (link)
Wow, we're making him really lose it. He's yelling now.

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NOT A SINGLE ONE OF YOU PIXELANTES WAS.
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Are you sure no one else talked to was a gamer?

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THE LINK BETWEEN SCHOOL SHOOTINGS AND VIOLENT VIDEO GAMES PLAYED BY MINORS HAS BEEN FIRMLY PROVEN BY THE FBI, THE SECRET SERVICE, THE HEADS OF SIX MAJOR HEALTH CARE ORGANIZATIONS, THE US SURGEON GENERAL, THE AMERICAN PSYCHOLOGICAL ASSOCIATION, HARVARD, INDIANA UNIVERSITY, MICHIGAN STATE, AND EVEN VINCE DESI DESI.
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In your diseased mind only.

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HOOAH AND ENJOY!
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Why would we enjoy?

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Re: JACK THOMPSON ON TV RE KANSAS COLUMBINE AND...
[info]dutch_gamer
2006-04-26 04:39 pm UTC (link)
Ugh, I just watched that video. Even your voice is creepy. And why are you sitting there like a zombie? I see absolutely no emotion in you, as if you don't have any feelings or emotions ever. Of course we know that isn't exactly true. You typed in all caps on purpose because you are very angry about something today. I sense that something is troubling you. How is your case against the Florida Bar getting along?

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Control
[info]kharne83
2006-04-26 04:59 pm UTC (link)
It amuses me
How easy you're made to squirm
Dance for us, puppet!

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Re: JACK THOMPSON ON TV RE KANSAS COLUMBINE AND...
[info]rsteinke
2006-04-26 05:31 pm UTC (link)
I'd just like to point out that Adolf Hitler appeared on television to announce the winter olympics were opening. And then he waged a racial war against the Jewish people. Cooincidence? NO! CONNECTION! MEDIA CAUSES VIOLENCE! BULLSHIT RHETORIC BULLSHIT RHETORIC BULLSHIT RHETORIC! CONTACT ROY STEINKE FOR MORE INFORMATION RSTEINKE@GMAIL.COM! FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE! PRAISE JACK! BLAH BLAH BLAH! NOBODY LOVES ZOIDBERG!

See Jack? You aren't the only one who can shout over a fence.

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Re: JACK THOMPSON ON TV RE KANSAS COLUMBINE AND...
[info]jbourrie
2006-04-26 05:49 pm UTC (link)
Funny that you use the word proven (sorry, PROVEN) and yet the link's headline is clearly a question.

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Re: JACK THOMPSON ON TV RE KANSAS COLUMBINE AND... - [info]plagiarise, 2006-04-26 06:08 pm UTC
ENOUGH! - [info]the_attorney, 2006-04-26 06:26 pm UTC
Re: ENOUGH! - [info]the_attorney, 2006-04-26 06:37 pm UTC
Re: JACK THOMPSON ON TV RE KANSAS COLUMBINE AND... - [info]gasperskeltner, 2006-04-26 06:45 pm UTC
Re: JACK THOMPSON ON TV RE KANSAS COLUMBINE AND... - [info]brendanthejedi, 2006-04-26 06:46 pm UTC
Re: JACK THOMPSON ON TV RE KANSAS COLUMBINE AND... - [info]ithmarvin, 2006-04-26 07:04 pm UTC
Re: JACK THOMPSON ON TV RE KANSAS COLUMBINE AND... - [info]vicsor, 2006-04-26 07:42 pm UTC
No one cares - [info]bennyboy371, 2006-04-26 07:51 pm UTC
Re: JACK THOMPSON ON TV RE KANSAS COLUMBINE AND... - [info]goodrobotus, 2006-04-26 08:19 pm UTC
More de-spininification! Engage! - [info]jabrwock, 2006-04-26 08:30 pm UTC
A new message from jackiswrongo! - [info]mr_putter, 2006-04-26 09:51 pm UTC
Re: JACK THOMPSON ON TV RE KANSAS COLUMBINE AND... - [info]toxic_offender, 2006-04-26 10:15 pm UTC
Re: JACK THOMPSON ON TV RE KANSAS COLUMBINE AND... - [info]father_time89, 2006-04-26 10:26 pm UTC
Re: JACK THOMPSON ON TV RE KANSAS COLUMBINE AND... - [info]natch42, 2006-04-26 10:31 pm UTC
READ ME!, READ ME NOW DAMNIT! - [info]gatz111085, 2006-04-26 10:42 pm UTC
Try one of these, Thompson... - [info]andrew_eisen, 2006-04-26 11:56 pm UTC
I know a new book you could write - [info]timed95, 2006-04-27 01:10 am UTC
Re: I don't care about Kansas television, worthless popcorn fart - [info]beardoggx, 2006-04-27 01:19 am UTC
Stop mentioning the Indiana University study. - [info]thejccalhoun, 2006-04-27 02:23 pm UTC

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