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IEMA's Halpin Rips California's Yee Over Remarks

Last week, GamePolitics broke a story detailing California Assembly Speaker pro Tem Leland Yee's (D) plans to introduce legislation shielding college newspapers from faculty censorship.

Yee's bill was especially interesting in light of his status as architect of California's video game law, which currently faces a First Amendment challenge from the video game industry. The case should be decided sometime in May.

Over at 1UP, Luke Smith did some follow-up with Yee, asking for clarification on what at first glance might appear to be irreconcilable positions on a pair First Amendment issues.

"The difference," Yee told 1UP, "is that we are looking at children. And that's the major distinction. And what we are limiting with children are these ultra-violent video games. These kind of horrendous acts of violence that we are limited children's access to. That is the major difference."

Nor did Yee express confidence in the video game industry's ability to self-regulate.

"The Federal Trade Commission's undercover study (said) that nearly 70% of kids would be able to purchase an M-rated video game. More recently, the Harvard study says that the ESRB doesn't give accurate information," Yee remarked. "The content descriptor doesn't give accurate information about the material found within these games. The coup de gras was the 'hot coffee' incident where hidden sexual material was found in an M-rating game. It was failure upon failure of the ESRB to regulate itself that I felt I needed to step in..."

IEMA boss Hal Halpin was quick to issue a rejoinder, sending his comments to both 1UP and GamePolitics.

"It is unfortunate that Mr. Yee remains woefully uninformed regarding the FTC's findings with regard to voluntary retail efforts at self-regulation," Halpin said. "He is either quoting an out-dated several year-old study, or has missed the press regarding their latest findings: that the nation's leading retailers, our members, are successfully carding for M-rated games 65% of the time - which puts the games industry on par with his 'Gold Standard,' the movie theatre owners, who card at 69% of the time. While we appreciate Mr. Yee's convictions and his right to a perspective, we would appreciate an effort to, at the very least, represent the statistics correctly to his constituents. Misleading them must surely not be in anyone's best interests."




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And the FTC found also that some stores sell mature games to kids...
[info]dennisneedslaw
2006-04-25 03:37 pm UTC (link)
over 65% of the time. You call this success, Hal? It's pathetic.
Jack Thompson

PS: What are you doing about Internet sales of mature games to minors, Hal, hmmmm? You happen to know that there is NO ID-ing of kids in those sales. None.

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Re: And the FTC found also that some stores sell mature games to kids...
[info]hilaryduffgta
2006-04-25 03:39 pm UTC (link)
how in the hell does a minor have a bank card anyways to use on the net ya wanna know how from drug addicted parents who dont give a shit thats how

once again shut up and go away

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Re: And the FTC found also that some stores sell mature games to kids...
[info]halprevaricator
2006-04-25 10:47 pm UTC (link)
Hundreds of thousands of minors have credit cards. Are you crazy? Jack Thompson

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Re: And the FTC found also that some stores sell mature games to kids...
[info]panicbutton42
2006-04-25 11:32 pm UTC (link)
Hundreds of thousands of minors have credit cards.

Okay, I'll bite... How do "hundreds of thousands of minors," obtain credit cards? to receive a credit card one needs to enter into a legally binding contract with the issuing bank. Now, I will admit I do not know if this varies from state to state, but to enter into a contract by oneself you need to be 18 years old.

The only legal way you can do it sooner is to have an adult co-sign. Since you need an adult (presumably a parent or guardian) to do this as a minor, we are now back to the responsibility of the parent to monitor the minor's credit card usage, including video game purchases.

If a minor is obtaining a credit card illegaly and using it to purchase items, then it is not a stretch to say that said minor would not be above stealing the very same item if an illegaly obtained credit card was not available to him. Now banning the sale of violent video games to a minor tends not to work when the violent video games are being stolen.

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Re: And the FTC found also that some stores sell mature games to kids... - [info]gatz111085, 2006-04-26 02:53 am UTC
Re: And the FTC found also that some stores sell mature games to kids...
[info]ianc14
2006-04-26 02:40 pm UTC (link)
So Hundreds of thousands parents are stupid idiots then. Like you? Cus your son has a credit card, dont he.

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How many accounts so far?
[info]winnie_tee
2006-04-25 03:47 pm UTC (link)
One of these days you're going to run out of stupid account names and your brain is going to explode trying to think of a new one...

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Re: How many accounts so far?
[info]hilaryduffgta
2006-04-25 03:49 pm UTC (link)
44 accounts now or could be 45


cecil we need a update

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Re: How many accounts so far?
[info]ianc14
2006-04-25 04:29 pm UTC (link)
I think its 44

Once it gets to 50, i say we throw a big party.

With games like pin the tail on the Jackass.

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Re: How many accounts so far? - [info]enmitywithin, 2006-04-25 05:04 pm UTC
Re: How many accounts so far?
[info]cecil475
2006-04-25 07:06 pm UTC (link)
Thank you. be glad to give one.

Give me a second here and...there!

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Re: How many accounts so far? - [info]ianc14, 2006-04-25 07:21 pm UTC
Re: How many accounts so far? - [info]durlock, 2006-04-25 09:55 pm UTC
Re: And the FTC found also that some stores sell mature games to kids...
[info]seikyochan
2006-04-25 03:54 pm UTC (link)
What about Rated R movies Mr. Thompson? I hear that more kids see that kind of violence than they play mature games... Oh I'm sorry you only go after video games because they're interactive.

Why don't you go after the media? Movies? other other entertainment groups besides the video game industry? I hear we did the same thing to comics in the early 30's.

Watch the history channel and maybe you'll learn something.

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Re: And the FTC found also that some stores sell mature games to kids...
[info]skemodan
2006-04-25 03:55 pm UTC (link)
You need to be 18 to have a credit card. Try buying cigarettes online dipshit.

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Re: And the FTC found also that some stores sell mature games to kids...
[info]konrad_arflane
2006-04-25 03:59 pm UTC (link)
"The FTC found that close to 40% of the time retailers are still selling mature-rated games to minors."


How is this substantially different from saying that stores card 65% of the time? That means they don't card 35% of the time, which is indeed "close to 40%" - but more exact, not to mention lower.

And the FTC found also that some stores sell mature games to kids over 65% of the time.


What's your point? Obviously, in almost any large sample group, some samples will vary widely from the average. I'm sure one could find that *some* movie theatres let minors in to watch R-rated movies 65% of the time. Doesn't change the fact that the *average* is much better than that.

Cut the rhetoric and get some real arguments, Jack.

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Re: And the FTC found also that some stores sell mature games to kids...
[info]ianc14
2006-04-25 04:11 pm UTC (link)
What are you doing about Internet sales of mature games to minors, Hal, hmmmm? You happen to know that there is NO ID-ing of kids in those sales. None.
Cept for the fact you have to be over a certain age to buy online anyway....

DUH

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credit cards
[info]jabrwock
2006-04-25 04:21 pm UTC (link)
Cept for the fact you have to be over a certain age to buy online anyway....

Oh but in Jackies perfect world, children steal their mommies credit cards, because GTA told them to...

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non-national stores
[info]jabrwock
2006-04-25 04:22 pm UTC (link)
And the FTC found also that some stores sell mature games to kids...over 65% of the time. You call this success, Hal? It's pathetic.

Notice the FTC lists them as "non-national-chain" stores. The ones Hal doesn't represent, remember? So how pray-tel is Hal supposed to do something about the small-town stores?

Oh wait, I forgot you can't read...

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Re: And the FTC found also that some stores sell mature games to kids...
[info]dutch_gamer
2006-04-25 04:31 pm UTC (link)
PS: What are you doing about Internet sales of mature games to minors, Hal, hmmmm? You happen to know that there is NO ID-ing of kids in those sales. None.

Jacky boy, how does a minor get a hold of a CREDITCARD and money? The kids you keep talking about can't get a job thus no money. The only way kids can buy something online is if their parents give them them a creditcard. Mister Halpin has do NOTHING about this since he is not the parent of the kids that get this from their parents. The lazy parents are to blame for this.

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[info]thejury_rigged
2006-04-25 05:12 pm UTC (link)
I know I had a bank card when I was 15, when I started working.
It wasn't then, but now-a-days most bank cards are as good as check/credit, including online.

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Re: And the FTC found also that some stores sell mature games to kids...
[info]lost_watcher
2006-04-25 04:34 pm UTC (link)
PS: What are you doing about Internet sales of mature games to minors, Hal, hmmmm? You happen to know that there is NO ID-ing of kids in those sales. None.

They call that a credit card and if they are buying it with one... maaaybe they are 18?

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Re: And the FTC found also that some stores sell mature games to kids...
[info]j_man924
2006-04-25 06:29 pm UTC (link)
PS: What are you doing about Internet sales of mature games to minors.You happen to know that there is NO ID-ing of kids in those sales. None.
Then sue the internet Jack. I'm sure you'll do great in a case like that

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This friday he can sue the telecoms!
[info]lost_watcher
2006-04-26 12:33 am UTC (link)
'cause they'll own the internets.

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Re: And the FTC found also that more stores sell R movies to kids...
[info]kincyr
2006-04-25 08:02 pm UTC (link)
and what are you doing about internet sales of R-rated movies to minors Jack, hmmmm? How about internet sales of good ol' American pornograghy?

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OVER 65%?
[info]jaketheelf
2006-04-25 09:00 pm UTC (link)
Acctually, it says they're carding people 65% of the time. And looks to be increasing.

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Hey Jack!
[info]x_vader_x
2006-04-25 09:20 pm UTC (link)
Im 14 and i dont have a credit card to buy online nor do any other kids that are under 16 DUMBASS...

Seriously your not funny anymore your just a Dumb shit with less of a brain then a 5 year old...

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Re: And the FTC found also that some stores sell mature games to kids...
[info]boffo97
2006-04-25 10:15 pm UTC (link)
What are YOU doing about negligent parents that would let kids make $50 purchases online without knowing what they're about.

With that kind of negligence, there's no way games can be the "real factor" in anything bad that happens. None.

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Re: And the FTC found also that some stores sell mature games to kids...
[info]mr_putter
2006-04-26 11:53 am UTC (link)
Some stores. Are you referring to the 40% ( Less than half of the stores interviewed by the FTC ) still sell them to kids. If not, than you are a pretty contadictory guy, num-nob.

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