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IEMA's Halpin Rips California's Yee Over Remarks

Last week, GamePolitics broke a story detailing California Assembly Speaker pro Tem Leland Yee's (D) plans to introduce legislation shielding college newspapers from faculty censorship.

Yee's bill was especially interesting in light of his status as architect of California's video game law, which currently faces a First Amendment challenge from the video game industry. The case should be decided sometime in May.

Over at 1UP, Luke Smith did some follow-up with Yee, asking for clarification on what at first glance might appear to be irreconcilable positions on a pair First Amendment issues.

"The difference," Yee told 1UP, "is that we are looking at children. And that's the major distinction. And what we are limiting with children are these ultra-violent video games. These kind of horrendous acts of violence that we are limited children's access to. That is the major difference."

Nor did Yee express confidence in the video game industry's ability to self-regulate.

"The Federal Trade Commission's undercover study (said) that nearly 70% of kids would be able to purchase an M-rated video game. More recently, the Harvard study says that the ESRB doesn't give accurate information," Yee remarked. "The content descriptor doesn't give accurate information about the material found within these games. The coup de gras was the 'hot coffee' incident where hidden sexual material was found in an M-rating game. It was failure upon failure of the ESRB to regulate itself that I felt I needed to step in..."

IEMA boss Hal Halpin was quick to issue a rejoinder, sending his comments to both 1UP and GamePolitics.

"It is unfortunate that Mr. Yee remains woefully uninformed regarding the FTC's findings with regard to voluntary retail efforts at self-regulation," Halpin said. "He is either quoting an out-dated several year-old study, or has missed the press regarding their latest findings: that the nation's leading retailers, our members, are successfully carding for M-rated games 65% of the time - which puts the games industry on par with his 'Gold Standard,' the movie theatre owners, who card at 69% of the time. While we appreciate Mr. Yee's convictions and his right to a perspective, we would appreciate an effort to, at the very least, represent the statistics correctly to his constituents. Misleading them must surely not be in anyone's best interests."




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First of All, Hal, It's Doctor, Not Mister, Yee...
[info]dennisneedslaw
2006-04-25 03:34 pm UTC (link)
Secondly, the only one misinformed about the FTC's findings is you. The FTC found that close to 40% of the time retailers are still selling mature-rated games to minors. If Seven-11 had that failure rate on tobacco and alcohol, the CEO of that retailer would be in jail.

What you need to do, Hal, is stop lying about federal government findings. It catches up with you. You've been hanging around Doug Lowenstein too much. Jack Thompson

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And the FTC found also that some stores sell mature games to kids...
[info]dennisneedslaw
2006-04-25 03:37 pm UTC (link)
over 65% of the time. You call this success, Hal? It's pathetic.
Jack Thompson

PS: What are you doing about Internet sales of mature games to minors, Hal, hmmmm? You happen to know that there is NO ID-ing of kids in those sales. None.

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Re: And the FTC found also that some stores sell mature games to kids...
[info]hilaryduffgta
2006-04-25 03:39 pm UTC (link)
how in the hell does a minor have a bank card anyways to use on the net ya wanna know how from drug addicted parents who dont give a shit thats how

once again shut up and go away

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Re: And the FTC found also that some stores sell mature games to kids... - [info]halprevaricator, 2006-04-25 10:47 pm UTC
Re: And the FTC found also that some stores sell mature games to kids... - [info]panicbutton42, 2006-04-25 11:32 pm UTC
Re: And the FTC found also that some stores sell mature games to kids... - [info]gatz111085, 2006-04-26 02:53 am UTC
Re: And the FTC found also that some stores sell mature games to kids... - [info]ianc14, 2006-04-26 02:40 pm UTC
How many accounts so far?
[info]winnie_tee
2006-04-25 03:47 pm UTC (link)
One of these days you're going to run out of stupid account names and your brain is going to explode trying to think of a new one...

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Re: How many accounts so far? - [info]hilaryduffgta, 2006-04-25 03:49 pm UTC
Re: How many accounts so far? - [info]ianc14, 2006-04-25 04:29 pm UTC
Re: How many accounts so far? - [info]enmitywithin, 2006-04-25 05:04 pm UTC
Re: How many accounts so far? - [info]cecil475, 2006-04-25 07:06 pm UTC
Re: How many accounts so far? - [info]ianc14, 2006-04-25 07:21 pm UTC
Re: How many accounts so far? - [info]durlock, 2006-04-25 09:55 pm UTC
Re: And the FTC found also that some stores sell mature games to kids...
[info]seikyochan
2006-04-25 03:54 pm UTC (link)
What about Rated R movies Mr. Thompson? I hear that more kids see that kind of violence than they play mature games... Oh I'm sorry you only go after video games because they're interactive.

Why don't you go after the media? Movies? other other entertainment groups besides the video game industry? I hear we did the same thing to comics in the early 30's.

Watch the history channel and maybe you'll learn something.

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Re: And the FTC found also that some stores sell mature games to kids...
[info]skemodan
2006-04-25 03:55 pm UTC (link)
You need to be 18 to have a credit card. Try buying cigarettes online dipshit.

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Re: And the FTC found also that some stores sell mature games to kids...
[info]konrad_arflane
2006-04-25 03:59 pm UTC (link)
"The FTC found that close to 40% of the time retailers are still selling mature-rated games to minors."


How is this substantially different from saying that stores card 65% of the time? That means they don't card 35% of the time, which is indeed "close to 40%" - but more exact, not to mention lower.

And the FTC found also that some stores sell mature games to kids over 65% of the time.


What's your point? Obviously, in almost any large sample group, some samples will vary widely from the average. I'm sure one could find that *some* movie theatres let minors in to watch R-rated movies 65% of the time. Doesn't change the fact that the *average* is much better than that.

Cut the rhetoric and get some real arguments, Jack.

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Re: And the FTC found also that some stores sell mature games to kids...
[info]ianc14
2006-04-25 04:11 pm UTC (link)
What are you doing about Internet sales of mature games to minors, Hal, hmmmm? You happen to know that there is NO ID-ing of kids in those sales. None.
Cept for the fact you have to be over a certain age to buy online anyway....

DUH

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credit cards - [info]jabrwock, 2006-04-25 04:21 pm UTC
non-national stores
[info]jabrwock
2006-04-25 04:22 pm UTC (link)
And the FTC found also that some stores sell mature games to kids...over 65% of the time. You call this success, Hal? It's pathetic.

Notice the FTC lists them as "non-national-chain" stores. The ones Hal doesn't represent, remember? So how pray-tel is Hal supposed to do something about the small-town stores?

Oh wait, I forgot you can't read...

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Re: And the FTC found also that some stores sell mature games to kids...
[info]dutch_gamer
2006-04-25 04:31 pm UTC (link)
PS: What are you doing about Internet sales of mature games to minors, Hal, hmmmm? You happen to know that there is NO ID-ing of kids in those sales. None.

Jacky boy, how does a minor get a hold of a CREDITCARD and money? The kids you keep talking about can't get a job thus no money. The only way kids can buy something online is if their parents give them them a creditcard. Mister Halpin has do NOTHING about this since he is not the parent of the kids that get this from their parents. The lazy parents are to blame for this.

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(no subject) - [info]thejury_rigged, 2006-04-25 05:12 pm UTC
Re: And the FTC found also that some stores sell mature games to kids...
[info]lost_watcher
2006-04-25 04:34 pm UTC (link)
PS: What are you doing about Internet sales of mature games to minors, Hal, hmmmm? You happen to know that there is NO ID-ing of kids in those sales. None.

They call that a credit card and if they are buying it with one... maaaybe they are 18?

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Re: And the FTC found also that some stores sell mature games to kids...
[info]j_man924
2006-04-25 06:29 pm UTC (link)
PS: What are you doing about Internet sales of mature games to minors.You happen to know that there is NO ID-ing of kids in those sales. None.
Then sue the internet Jack. I'm sure you'll do great in a case like that

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This friday he can sue the telecoms! - [info]lost_watcher, 2006-04-26 12:33 am UTC
Re: And the FTC found also that more stores sell R movies to kids...
[info]kincyr
2006-04-25 08:02 pm UTC (link)
and what are you doing about internet sales of R-rated movies to minors Jack, hmmmm? How about internet sales of good ol' American pornograghy?

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OVER 65%?
[info]jaketheelf
2006-04-25 09:00 pm UTC (link)
Acctually, it says they're carding people 65% of the time. And looks to be increasing.

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Hey Jack! - [info]x_vader_x, 2006-04-25 09:20 pm UTC
Re: And the FTC found also that some stores sell mature games to kids... - [info]boffo97, 2006-04-25 10:15 pm UTC
Re: And the FTC found also that some stores sell mature games to kids... - [info]mr_putter, 2006-04-26 11:53 am UTC
Re: First of All, Hal, It's Doctor, Not Mister, Yee...
[info]hilaryduffgta
2006-04-25 03:38 pm UTC (link)
Hey jack im curious are you like you know i mean do you have a crush on doug lowenstein i only ask cause you mention him sooo much its like you wanna take him to prom or something?

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Re: First of All, Hal, It's Doctor, Not Mister, Yee... - [info]tollwutig, 2006-04-25 04:53 pm UTC
Re: First of All, Hal, It's Doctor, Not Mister, Yee...
[info]xlorep_darkhelm
2006-04-25 03:48 pm UTC (link)
As long as he regurgitates crap like he has been doing, I'm personally of the belief he doesn't deserve to be called a "doctor". Just like you -- I don't believe you deserve to be called a "human".

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Math lesson for Jack
[info]jabrwock
2006-04-25 03:56 pm UTC (link)
Secondly, the only one misinformed about the FTC's findings is you.

Today's lesson is: Subtraction!

If 60% of attempts are denied, then 40% are successfull! Congradulations! You can do math!

BTW, this also means that 30% of minors get into R & NC-17 movies, since they "successfully" enforce their ratings 69% of the time.

If Seven-11 had that failure rate on tobacco and alcohol, the CEO of that retailer would be in jail.

Yes, well only an idiot would equate a carcinogenic chemical substance with a form of media. Try using movies or comic books, you'll look like less of an moron.

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Re: Math lesson for Jack - [info]xlorep_darkhelm, 2006-04-25 08:39 pm UTC
First of all, Jack, it's now ASSEMBLYMAN Yee.
[info]arjei
2006-04-25 04:04 pm UTC (link)
Proving you can't get it right either. It'll go back to Dr. Yee if he leaves office. And I'll get both your "replies" here.

Second, the FTC survey: http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2006/03/videogameshop.htm

It's actually 63% of the time, which isn't much better. However, you forgot to mention that this is for the local and regional sores. The 'mom & pop' stores that are trying to stay afloat against the big corporations like Best Buy and Target. So are they going to sell a M rated game go someone who's not 18? Probably, since they have to, at least, break even and survive.

OVERALL percentage of selling a M rated game to a minor is 42%. You like focusing on the negative part of this, much like how FOX News has thier lips permently fixed to Bush's ass.

And we had this discussion about ID-ing Internet purchases. Beyond COPPA standards, which only covers up to age 13, there is no real way to ID someone for a purchase over the Internet. You cannot use a credit card for age-verification because you cannot get a credit card until you're 18. If you have one before then, either it's a fault of the credit card company for not checking their data, or the parents gave or signed for one.

Real Logic.

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Re: First of all, Jack, it's now ASSEMBLYMAN Yee. - [info]thefremen, 2006-04-25 05:43 pm UTC
Re: First of all, Jack, it's now ASSEMBLYMAN Yee. - [info]arjei, 2006-04-25 06:10 pm UTC
You're right, I got a credit card when I was only 15 - [info]jerrydavid, 2006-04-25 11:34 pm UTC
Re: First of All, Hal, It's Doctor, Not Mister, Yee...
[info]ianc14
2006-04-25 04:10 pm UTC (link)
First of All, Hal, It's Doctor, Not Mister, Yee...
Nit pick.

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You're up early today!
[info]phantompvp
2006-04-25 04:13 pm UTC (link)
Run out of cases to get thrown off of?

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Re: First of All, Hal, It's Doctor, Not Mister, Yee...
[info]nsbustin
2006-04-25 05:57 pm UTC (link)
where do you get these facts, your ass or do you actually have the facts so we can see them?

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Re: First of All, Hal, It's Doctor, Not Mister, Yee...
[info]j_man924
2006-04-25 06:34 pm UTC (link)
If Seven-11 had that failure rate on tobacco and alcohol, the CEO of that retailer would be in jail.
The only problem with this analogy is that tobacco and alcohol are known to be bad for your health, and it is thus illegal to sell to minors. There is no known cause-effect relationship to people who play "M" rated games and poor health. Your news releases of poor research over a limited number of subjects is not to be condsidered proof either.

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Re: First of All Jack, It's 7-Eleven, Not Seven-11
[info]kincyr
2006-04-25 07:58 pm UTC (link)
and what are you doing about the even higher sales of R-rated movies to minors? NOTHING! The sales of violent movies to minors double that of Mature-rated games to minors.

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This from the guy
[info]bennyboy371
2006-04-25 11:50 pm UTC (link)
That makes "lawyer" a loose term.

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Re: First of All, Hal, It's Doctor, Not Mister, Yee...
[info]sabin_blitz
2006-04-26 10:43 am UTC (link)
I'm going to ask you a few questions, Jack. Pick "A" if you think the answer is videogames and "B" if the answer is tobacco and alcohol. Others are invited to post their opinions as well.

1. This has been scientifically proven to greatly affect your senses and sensibility when taken in large quantities.

2. This has killed 5278 people in automobile accidents so far this year up to 6:34 AM today due to impaired judgement.

3. This will utterly destroy your insides after long-term use.

4. The sudden cessation of long-term use of this causes extreme, almost as if it is punishing you for stopping, thus positively reinforcing the continued use of it.

5. This kills thousands of people each year due to liver failure, car crashes and cancers most foul.

My answers: B, B, B, B, B

See my point, Jack? There's a great deal of research proving the adverse effects of tobacco and alcohol and only scant, biased evidence regarding any negative effects on videogames. That's why carding for tobacco and alcohol is rigidly enforced by the government and why there's an actual War on Drugs and not a War on Videogames. I'm somewhat certain you have a brain, Jack. Use it.

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