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Oklahoma Senate Passes Game Bill Unanimously... Will Guv Sign?

Legislators in Oklahoma are apparently in consensus when it comes to video game violence. A bill proposed by State Senator Glen Coffee (R, seen at left) passed 47-0 yesterday. The measure's next stop is the desk of Governor Brad Henry, a Democrat.

HB3004 is the same bill which, as reported by GamePolitics, passed the Oklahoma House, also unanimously, in March.

State Rep. Fred Morgan (R) is the original author of the bill, which takes the "games as porn" approach, amending an existing Oklahoma statute defining those things deemed "harmful to minors." HB3004 would add what it terms "inappropriate violence," to the banned-for-minors list, applying "contemporary community standards" to any such judgment.

Games-as-porn is a recently-developed legislative tactic which is popping up in state assemblies with increasing frequency (Utah, Delaware, Louisiana) as legislators seek to navigate a path that avoids the well-publicized First Amendment failures such bills have experienced recently in Illinois and Michigan.

If Gov. Henry signs the bill, HB3004 will become law on November 1st.

UPDATE: We spoke with Gov. Henry's office this morning and learned that an amendment added by the Oklahoma Senate will cause HB3004 to go back to the House for approval before it is delivered to the Governor for consideration. Once the measure arrives on his desk, Gov. Henry will have five days to sign the bill.

UPDATE 2: A well-placed source told GP that, while the Guv's legislative staff would need to review whatever final version is passed by the legislature, he would most likely be inclined to sign the bill into law. That, of course, would trigger the video game industry's next First Amendment battle.




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Game Politics Is Utterly Wrong About This Bill
[info]dennisneedslaw
2006-04-25 03:32 pm UTC (link)
Dennis McCauley either can't read or doesn't want to read. The bill, as proposed, has TWO separate parts. The sexual material harmful to minors part (the porn part), simply brings video games into the definition of sexual material harmful to minors, by virtue of sexual content, that all other products distributed to minors in Oklahoma must adhere to.

The other portion deals with violent material that is harmful to minors, which can include video games. There is absolutely NO equating in the bill of violence with porn. Just the opposite is the case. Sexual material that is harmful to minors is one category (40+ states have such laws on the books), and then the violent section of the bill deals with mature games that are clearly inappropriate and thus harmful to minors by virtue of the violence, not the porn.

Dennis, get a lawyer. You need one to read bills, apparently.

Jack Thompson

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Re: Game Politics Is Utterly Wrong About This Bill
[info]squirrelofwrath
2006-04-25 03:34 pm UTC (link)
By deeming both harmful, without specifing the punishments, is equating the two via the transitive property of logic.

If A=B

And C=B

it follows that A=C.

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all abord
[info]hilaryduffgta
2006-04-25 03:35 pm UTC (link)
The douchebag express

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Re: Game Politics Is Utterly Wrong About This Bill
[info]xlorep_darkhelm
2006-04-25 03:45 pm UTC (link)
Hey Jack... If GamePolitics, Dennis, and well... everyone else here are just "immature nazi-like book-burning children pedophiles", and aren't worth talking to with a civil tone, why do you keep returning? If we're not worth the effort, then why put forth the effort? You've been banned, you've been warned. You've had a cease & decist letter sent (which you bragged that you are ignoring). The site still is private property, and you are basically tresspassing. Yes, it is the Internet, but that doesn't give *you* imminent domain over it. Nothing about this site comes unsolicited to you -- you have to keep coming back. Even the e-mails you get hen people respond to you are not unsolicited -- you made the first post people respond to, and you can always shut off that feature if you want.

You say Dennis needs a lawyer, yet you yourself constantly fight to remain utterly ignorant of laws made with regards to the Internet. Cyberstalking laws, for instance. Why don't you respond about that, huh? Oh, because we've got you there. Why don't you start preaching again about how video games aren't speech. Oh, because courts around the country have proven you completely wrong.

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Re: Game Politics Is Utterly Wrong About This Bill
[info]weiila
2006-04-25 04:25 pm UTC (link)
I'm sure he's just like the bully in first grade, remember? The guy who kept dashing into the groups of children playing together, and mess up their fun before running off again. Deep down, all kids like that are really longing to be part of the group of people who are having fun together, but are too shy to conduct themselves properly.
Thus, the bullies take their frustration out on what they wish loved them, and thereby lock themselves in a never-ending cycle of destruction since the other kids will never accept the annoying kid who does nothing but break in and destroy everyone else's fun.

In other words, Mr. Thompson just wants to be loved. Let's all hug him. ^___^

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Re: Game Politics Is Utterly Wrong About This Bill
[info]ianc14
2006-04-25 04:32 pm UTC (link)
(which you bragged that you are ignoring)
Oh i hope that comes back and bites him on the arse, in a spectacular way.

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Re: Game Politics Is Utterly Wrong About This Bill
[info]beacon80
2006-04-25 09:00 pm UTC (link)
If we're not worth the effort, then why put forth the effort?
I sent him a very polite email asking him that very question. He didn't reply. And in case anyone's wondering, I put my full name at both the beginning and the end of the letter. So if he tries that "anonymous email" defense again, don't buy it.

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Re: Game Politics Is Utterly Wrong About This Bill - [info]jbourrie, 2006-04-25 09:08 pm UTC
Re: Game Politics Is Utterly Wrong About This Bill - [info]beacon80, 2006-04-25 09:23 pm UTC
Re: Game Politics Is Utterly Wrong About This Bill
[info]sqlrob
2006-04-25 03:45 pm UTC (link)
Still buggering corpses I see.

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Jack needs reading glasses
[info]jabrwock
2006-04-25 03:53 pm UTC (link)
There is absolutely NO equating in the bill of violence with porn.

You really are that clueless, aren't you? I'll try to use small words then...

The games=porn, means that they copied the "porn" definition, replaced "porn" with "violence", and pasted it back into the bill... practically word for word.

Learn to read, sheesh.

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Re: Game Politics Is Utterly Wrong About This Bill
[info]ianc14
2006-04-25 04:13 pm UTC (link)
Oh Fuck Off and go to Hell you fucking prick

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Re: Game Politics Is Utterly Wrong About This Bill
[info]lost_watcher
2006-04-25 04:28 pm UTC (link)
Didnt you get a C&D?

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Re: Game Politics Is Utterly Wrong About This Bill
[info]dutch_gamer
2006-04-25 04:43 pm UTC (link)
Jack, I am wondering if you have a brother who lives in the Netherlands? His last name at the moment is Hoogervorst. He is our minister of health and he never seems to listen or read anything either. He is already making it so that nobody can ever test him or cure him from his insanity by crippling psychotherapy.

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ok Jack, couple words here
[info]sundaos
2006-04-25 04:46 pm UTC (link)
your post was great and was a vaild part of the topic, but you ruined it at the end with "Dennis, get a lawyer" it was just down right being disrespectful. Now if you can keep the rest of your posts a part of the topic and not resort to name calling, being an ass, and threats, then we could all get along with you a little more. Ok?

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Re: ok Jack, couple words here
[info]sigma_7
2006-04-25 05:51 pm UTC (link)
your post was great and was a vaild part of the topic, but you ruined it at the end with "Dennis, get a lawyer" it was just down right being disrespectful.

He's just wanting to be hired, as demonstrated by the fact that he has enough time to troll on message boards showing off his 133+ 13g@1 5|<i11z... However, even if that person is a lawyer, he is not a candidate for my retainer because of a lack of professionalism and quality. In addition, the quanitiy of his legal advice being debunked (especially by laymen) is at a substandard level. By the way - there's a bit too many direct responses to the JT troll. We'll need to cut them down by only making posts that add to the discussion, in the same way that you perform self-control to avoid the "-1 Redundant" moderation on Slashdot. But at least this thread isn't too bad.

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Dennis knows more about law than you will ever know
[info]monkeyincorner
2006-04-25 05:37 pm UTC (link)
If you were a successful lawyer, one would think you would have won few cases by now. Dennis, I assume doesn't have a law degree, provides more informed and articulated views on all matters of laws, video game bills, etc...than you can ever make. In fact, if you hired Dennis, he might have won one or two cases for you. You're a failed lawyer and a disgrace to the profession, how many respectable lawyers get investigated by their state bar? You've become completely irrelevant, other than posting on message boards...I'll take Dennis' words anytime before yours...

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Re: Game Politics Is Utterly Wrong About This Bill
[info]nsbustin
2006-04-25 05:50 pm UTC (link)
blah, blah, blah... we've heard it all before Jacko, why don't you focus on your career which is fast becoming a sinking ship before you lose everything

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Didn't You Get A Cease & Desist?
[info]mazinger_z
2006-04-25 05:54 pm UTC (link)
I honestly wonder how long it'll be before Dennis takes it to the next level and slaps you with a harrassment lawsuit.

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Re: Didn't You Get A Cease & Desist?
[info]cactusjack1999
2006-04-25 06:58 pm UTC (link)
I say once he crosses 50 accounts, file the harassment suit.

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Wal-Mart Issues Law Degrees Now?
[info]gamepolitics
2006-04-25 05:57 pm UTC (link)
The sexual material harmful to minors part (the porn part), simply brings video games into the definition of sexual material harmful to minors, by virtue of sexual content, that all other products distributed to minors in Oklahoma must adhere to.

Ummm.... this is games-as-porn, no? But let's look at the bill:

It redefines the OK statute on what is deemed "harmful" to minors (and thus censorable for minors) as follows:

2. "Harmful to minors" means:

a. (sex stuff)

b. any description, exhibition, presentation or representation, in whatever form, of inappropriate violence.

3. "Inappropriate violence" means any description or representation, in an interactive video game or computer software, of violence which, taken as a whole, has the following characteristics:

a. the average person eighteen (18) years of age or older applying contemporary community standards would find that the interactive video game or computer software is patently offensive to prevailing standards in the adult community with respect to what is suitable for minors, and

b. the interactive video game or computer software lacks serious literary, scientific, medical, artistic, or political value for minors...

The bold-faced items are classicly used to determine obscenity.

Stop dissembling, please.

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Re: Wal-Mart Issues Law Degrees Now?
[info]skemodan
2006-04-25 06:23 pm UTC (link)
Does it really say that?




Really?



Surely you jest.




Really? All that ambiguity? What are contemporary community standards? And how, pray-tell, is something deemed "patently offensive to prevailing standards in the adult community..."? I'm very confused because last time I checked, a house full of slobering idiots over the age of 18 is well divided on an enormous number of issues on a daily basis. This same group of defective humans is responsible for passing petty and trite laws such as this one.


Someone stop the planet...Dan wants off.

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Re: Wal-Mart Issues Law Degrees Now? - [info]bluegus, 2006-04-26 12:29 am UTC
ouch :)
[info]jabrwock
2006-04-25 06:28 pm UTC (link)
Stop dissembling, please.

He can't help it, the laws are to complicated... :P

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Re: Wal-Mart Issues Law Degrees Now? - [info]ianc14, 2006-04-25 07:38 pm UTC
Re: Wal-Mart Issues Law Degrees Now? - [info]jbourrie, 2006-04-25 08:46 pm UTC
Re: Wal-Mart Issues Law Degrees Now? - [info]boffo97, 2006-04-25 10:05 pm UTC
Re: Game Politics Is Utterly Wrong About This Bill
[info]elricbrother3
2006-04-25 07:23 pm UTC (link)
Mr. Thompson can you please try to act in a civiized manner.

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Re: Game Politics Is Utterly Wrong About This Bill
[info]jbourrie
2006-04-25 08:41 pm UTC (link)
So in other words, half of the bill says exactly what is already in place (pornography to minors is restricted). And the other half is unconstitutional.

Yep, looks like a good use of our tax money to me.

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Re: Game Politics Is Utterly Wrong About This Bill
[info]aceofwilds
2006-04-25 08:45 pm UTC (link)
Dennis need slaw? What, like Coleslaw? Why do you need slaw Dennis?

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Re: Game Politics Is Utterly Wrong About This Bill - [info]boffo97, 2006-04-25 10:06 pm UTC
Re: Game Politics Is Utterly Wrong About This Bill
[info]boffo97
2006-04-25 10:02 pm UTC (link)
You're hardly one to call others on people not being able to read.

Repeat these until you get it.

1. Violence is not obscene. The courts have ruled on this over and over, and thus this bill will fail.

2. You are not welcome here. You have no First Amendment rights here just as I have none in your living room. Go away.

If Dennis does need a lawyer, he needs one much better than you.

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