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EDITORIAL: Obama, Too, Plays the Video Game Blame Game

There is a subtle yet virulent strain of video game bashing that runs through the non-gaming mainstream, day-in and day-out. And it simply drives GP crazy.

It takes many forms, but its bottom line message is always the same: games are bad, games are a waste, games are a drain on society. The latest politician to push this line is U.S. Senator Barack Obama, (D-IL). As reported by the Barrington Courier-Review, Obama spoke at Barrington High School last week.

While addressing students about their future, Obama said he would try to reduce the deficit, improve healthcare, advance the economy and move away from dependence on fossil fuels. So far, so good. But then, needing a cultural whipping-boy to invoke, Obama trotted out video games:

"The bad news is you're going to have to work harder," Obama told the assembled students, criticizing youth culture as "watching TV, playing video games and avoiding tough classes in school."

Obama also expressed concern for American students' collective low scores in math and the sciences.

GP: We have no problem with Obama's setting high goals for young people. But why blame video games? How about talking about some real problems, instead of this red herring?

Sure, there are many problems and challenges facing the United States right now. Most of them were either created by or exacerbated by our elected officials. As such, those issues are uncomfortable for elected officials. So Barack Obama blames video games. And he's far from the only one.

As for low scores in math and science, is that a problem in Japan? No. Korea? No. Are video games huge in those places? Yes.

Please, Senator Obama. Stick to the real issues and don't perpetuate the unfair characterization video games as some sort of cultural drain on American society.




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Say what?
[info]tanyad
2006-04-23 04:40 pm UTC (link)
*face palm* I am saddened by this. I had such hope for Senator Obama, I really did.


-- the shamed Illinoisan

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Re: Say what?
[info]blitzfitness
2006-04-23 05:04 pm UTC (link)
I wholeheartedly agree. Won't vote for him again.

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Re: Say what? - [info]hadradi, 2006-04-23 05:43 pm UTC
Re: Say what? - [info]blitzfitness, 2006-04-23 05:48 pm UTC
Re: Say what? - [info]cyn1c42, 2006-04-23 05:53 pm UTC
Re: Say what? - [info]blitzfitness, 2006-04-23 05:59 pm UTC
Re: Say what? - [info]brendanthejedi, 2006-04-23 05:06 pm UTC
Re: Say what? - [info]anticron, 2006-04-23 05:31 pm UTC
Re: Say what? - [info]garthknight, 2006-04-23 05:58 pm UTC
Re: Say what? - [info]tanyad, 2006-04-23 08:22 pm UTC
Re: Say what? - [info]brendanthejedi, 2006-04-24 04:29 pm UTC
I don't think he's being that evil.
[info]startropics
2006-04-23 04:44 pm UTC (link)
I think he's targetting the medium of video games as a whole, and not stuff like GTA, etc.

He's basically saying that students sometimes have a hard time foccusing on their studies, and television, videogames, stuff like that can pose an easy distraction.

Basically anything a kid does to forgo doing their homework.

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Re: I don't think he's being that evil.
[info]rohaq
2006-04-25 01:57 pm UTC (link)
Sounds about right to me. Playing games instead of completing your responsibilities isn't a positive thing, after all.

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[info]elfir
2006-04-23 04:45 pm UTC (link)
Seems like a fairly harmless comment about kids spending too much time with non-productive distractions. I'd be bothered more if he targetted video games alone.

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[info]bigman_k
2006-04-23 04:47 pm UTC (link)
I HAD alot of respect for this guy. This is saddening.

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[info]jerico6
2006-04-23 04:47 pm UTC (link)
Obama also expressed concern for American students' collective low scores in math and the sciences.

There's a simple explanation for that:

Neither of those subjects are the least be interesting (opinion).

Neither of those subjects are taught in an interesting manner. (opinion)

I can guarantee that if both of those subjects were taught in an interesting manner, test scores across the country would go up. Computer games are the perfect tool to use to teach students in schools. Don't believe me, ask Henry Jenkins.

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[info]tollwutig
2006-04-24 04:08 pm UTC (link)
You can't make science or math interesting anymore, you have to teach all the material buerocrats tell you belongs in a subject, which means cramming in too much material verbatim to leave time to make it applicabled to real life and interesting.

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(no subject) - [info]rjyoung, 2006-04-25 02:38 am UTC
It doesen't seem like he's bashing them...
[info]jquilty
2006-04-23 04:49 pm UTC (link)
More like "Get off your ass", for great justice.

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Re: It doesen't seem like he's bashing them...
[info]startropics
2006-04-23 04:50 pm UTC (link)
Pretty much.

It's true. Video games can be addicting, if you let them. The key is to ballance what you like to do and what you have to do.

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I'd hesitate to say the sky is falling, on this one...
[info]theogal
2006-04-23 04:52 pm UTC (link)
Sen. Obama's comments strike me as very much like what my parents used to tell me (and still do) about playing games. I don't honestly think we should be that alarmed over what he's said here.

While most of us here agree that games can be good -- and they definitely aren't as bad as most politicians make them out to be -- sitting on your ass playing video games all day isn't going to make you a "Leader of Tomorrow", just as sitting on that same ass and watching television won't do it, and reading books all day won't do it.

Mr. Obama is not calling for legislation of games, but rather he seems to be stating his opinion that you could be doing other things. I don't think we should treat those two opinions as the same thing, and I don't think we should react to them the same way.

If we continue reacting to statements like Obama's the same way that we react to the crap Hillary is spouting, there's a good chance that we'll lose whatever credibility we had.

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Re: I'd hesitate to say the sky is falling, on this one...
[info]premo_maggot
2006-04-23 05:08 pm UTC (link)
I agree, I really don't think he meant it in a bad way..

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Re: I'd hesitate to say the sky is falling, on this one... - [info]rol34, 2006-04-24 08:02 pm UTC

[info]brendanthejedi
2006-04-23 04:54 pm UTC (link)
What he said wasn't too bad. His speech more about education then video games. He was more talking about how students need to more motivated. And he is partially right. I'll be the first to admit that playing video games has affected my studies. Also he didn't list video games alone. He did mention TV too. And how teen try to avoid more difficult classes. This one was more of a sideswipe than an actual attack. And one which is justified.

Video games are good, but if all you do is play them and don't study or do your work, then maybe you should play a little less.

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Obama is a good guy...
[info]gamepolitics
2006-04-23 04:57 pm UTC (link)
His comment,however, is indicative of just what I wrote. A non-gaming cultural prejudice that games are a drain.

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Re: Obama is a good guy... - [info]startropics, 2006-04-23 05:00 pm UTC
Re: Obama is a good guy... - [info]open_sketchbook, 2006-04-23 05:02 pm UTC
Re: Obama is a good guy... - [info]brendanthejedi, 2006-04-23 05:03 pm UTC
Re: Obama is a good guy... - [info]riffraff1138, 2006-04-23 06:30 pm UTC
Re: Obama is a good guy... - [info]xenosphobatic, 2006-04-23 05:10 pm UTC
Re: Obama is a good guy... - [info]dachande18, 2006-04-23 05:11 pm UTC
Re: Obama is a good guy... - [info]thefremen, 2006-04-23 07:11 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]brendanthejedi, 2006-04-23 05:01 pm UTC

[info]mlaird
2006-04-23 05:07 pm UTC (link)
I agree with most of you posters here in that GP is a little off base here. I don't think Illinois' golden boy is really picking on video games specifically. He's just using them as an example of something that a lot of people really do spend too much time with. I'll be the first to admit that I am one of them, and that the thought has crossed my mind once or twice that I should probably cut back on playing them. If only they weren't so damned fun...

-MjL

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[info]samsoneffect
2006-04-23 09:52 pm UTC (link)
You make a good point, that he's pointing at the entire media rather than the typical political pinatas, as well as TV, but he seems to say that the media are bad, rather than bad in excess, which is the truth. That's what turns me off about it. And as far as the 'easy' classes go, if it's stuff they're genuinely interested in, I don't see the problem. Though, the problem may be they're taking them for bird courses rather than out of genuine interest.

And by the by, I'm a Jays fan, rather than a White Sox fan, but Mark Buehrle is awesome. Tarp Dive FTW.

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[info]xenosphobatic
2006-04-23 05:09 pm UTC (link)
The reason, insofar as much as I can surmise, with the american educational system is that there is too small a reward for being a science or math teacher when compared to how much work is put into the degrees required. Add to that the rewards for going private, and you've got yourself an equation for low scores.

That and few people really see the "magic" in science and math nowadays. I really found my calling when I stepped into my first algebra class. I just found it a shame that none of my classmates felt the same way.

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[info]refraction
2006-04-23 07:21 pm UTC (link)
Oh you're not kidding. Comparitively, it's (in my experience) a great deal easier to complete the coursework for an English or History (or Social Studies, etc) teaching certification than it is for math or any specific area of science (like Chemistry or Physics. Science itself is fairly easy, not requiring a ton of difficult work in any one subject area like one of the focused fields). Add to that the trouble in finding the specific classes to meet the specific credit requirements (which basically pile up and require semesters/years of prereqs..)

Yeah, got on a bit of a rant, but I defnitely see why we end up with a disproportionate amount of "humanities" teachers to "science" teachers.

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Losing the "Magic" of the sciences - [info]brerwolf, 2006-04-24 04:27 am UTC
Re: Losing the "Magic" of the sciences - [info]xenosphobatic, 2006-04-24 01:05 pm UTC
Easy classes
[info]blitzfitness
2006-04-23 05:11 pm UTC (link)
Once again I will be comparing my friends, and once again I will be dividing them into Gamer and Jock categories (this leaves out some friends, including myself, who are both). Most of the gamers in my group are in AP classes, while a friend of mine who is a jock told me he scored a 7 on his ACT last year. Hmmm...damn videogames must be working against our education all right.

I hate targeting jocks like this, but it's a known fact that they target easier classes and receive teacher favors for the sole purpose of remaining eligible to play. Part of the reason I'm not a fan of USC (and soon to be NFL) quarterback Matt Leinart is due to the praise he received for remaining one more year in college. His classes included the ever engaging, mentally straining, and Harvard pushing Ballroom Dancing 101. In the meantime, we see the halls of prestigious schools, such as MIT, filled to the brim with gamers.

Sorry Obama, but you sir are becoming a clear example of the lack of intelligence you so desperately are fighting by targeting the newest passtime of America. After all, it's been my experience that engaging in organized sports has siphoned more time off my schedule than any videogame habit ever has.

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Re: Easy classes
[info]xenosphobatic
2006-04-23 05:31 pm UTC (link)
You bring up a good point in the amount of gamers in MIT. I'd almost like to see the math and science scores of gamers as opposed to "normal" students. I'd be willing to bet that on average the scores of the gamers would be at least slightly higher than that of the norm. That was the way back when I was still in school.

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Re: Easy classes - [info]dividebydesu, 2006-04-23 05:34 pm UTC
Re: Easy classes - [info]dan888, 2006-04-24 09:13 pm UTC
Re: Easy classes - [info]sngingcircusdog, 2006-04-29 03:17 am UTC
I see what GP is saying.
[info]automancer
2006-04-23 05:26 pm UTC (link)
This isn't so much a look at Obama as an anti-gaming guy, but more along the lines of a stereotypical view that most politicians have about video games as being a waste of time. Video games can be a waste of time, if that is the only thing you spend most of your time doing. You see the same can be said for anything of that nature.

-Auto

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Bingo...
[info]gamepolitics
2006-04-23 05:38 pm UTC (link)
...B-I-N-G-O

;-)

GP

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Re: Bingo... - [info]boffo97, 2006-04-23 05:44 pm UTC
Re: Bingo... - [info]gamepolitics, 2006-04-23 05:49 pm UTC
Re: Bingo... - [info]mrfalcon, 2006-04-23 10:06 pm UTC
Re: Bingo... - [info]goodrobotus, 2006-04-23 11:00 pm UTC
Re: Bingo... - [info]mrfalcon, 2006-04-23 11:34 pm UTC
Re: Bingo... - [info]goodrobotus, 2006-04-24 12:42 am UTC
Re: Bingo... - [info]mrfalcon, 2006-04-24 10:57 pm UTC

[info]finaleve
2006-04-23 05:30 pm UTC (link)
Dennis, I think he wasnt exactly bashing gaming like you think, but he is attacking what drives attention away from the kids goal. Im actually going to agree with abama on this only because he is basically right, but I'll probably rethink this later when I actually "get home"

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it's a subtle bash...
[info]gamepolitics
2006-04-23 05:40 pm UTC (link)
...more like an assumption that time spent gaming is time wasted, time not learning.

I would steer you to the works of James Gee, Marc Prensky and others for an alternative view that kids (and adults) do a lot of learning while gaming.

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Re: it's a subtle bash... - [info]jordithailand, 2006-04-25 05:42 am UTC
Re: it's a subtle bash... - [info]sngingcircusdog, 2006-04-29 04:20 am UTC
Wow! That's sad...
[info]the_ky_guy
2006-04-23 05:50 pm UTC (link)
No, really! It's truly sad about how politicians are blaming video games for these kinds of problems in society. Do they realize that they have ABSOLUTELY NO PROOF of this kind of stuff?

I'm an "A/B" student, yet I can't spend a day without Nintendo.

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Re: Wow! That's sad...
[info]frankytfrank
2006-04-24 03:30 pm UTC (link)
Exactly. What he should have done is actually test the average scores of those who have hobbies and pasttimes (gamer, books, tv) and those who do not. Dont just state "Oh, these are the most important years of your life get back to school" because that statement in itself is not only obvious but misinformed. Low scores arent always the fault of students, look at the course work, look at the teachers and look at the study habits of those involved.

Variables do not allow simplistic answers.

Games/TV/ BS in biology... ya...THEY BE DISRUPTING ME STUDY

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Hmm... Just go to college
[info]hadradi
2006-04-23 05:54 pm UTC (link)
I understand Obama's problems in relation to time wasted, and the poor performance of high schoolers, but as long as America ranks highest when it comes to university education (at least according to that Shanghai list) I don't think we have a whole lot to worry about. In fact, I found it most surprising that 17 of the top 20 schools are in the US with the Oxford/Cambridge duo and some university in Japan as the other three. Its interesting to note that the Economist magazine mentioned math and science going through some sort of Golden Age in American universities, but then, thats their opinion (and their Brits anyway).

As to those asking about the Shanghai list of world university rankings, I'll have to find the link.

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The link!
[info]hadradi
2006-04-23 06:06 pm UTC (link)
Here's the list (made by, ironically, a university in China): http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/ranking.htm

As far as I can tell, its the most widely used one. Harvard comes in first (of course). You'll see this list differs from the US News list, but thats because they must use universal ranking systems. Here are the top twenty, for those who don't want to go to the link:

1. Harvard
2. Cambridge (UK)
3. Stanford
4. UC Berkeley
5. MIT
6. CalTech
7. Columbia
8. Princeton
9. University of Chicago
10. Oxford (UK)
11. Yale
12. Cornell
13. UC San Diego
14. UCLA
15. Univ. Pennsylvania
16. U. Wisconsin, Madison
17. U. Washington, Seattle
18. UC San Francisco
19. Johns Hopkins
20. Tokyo University (Japan)

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Re: The link! - [info]darth_fishy, 2006-04-24 11:44 am UTC
Re: Easy classes
[info]dividebydesu
2006-04-23 05:55 pm UTC (link)
I know I've said this before, but I'll tune it up a bit.

Examine the definition of game. M-W.com explains:

1 a (1) : activity engaged in for diversion or amusement : PLAY (2) : the equipment for a game b : often derisive or mocking jesting

Let's look closely at one word. diversion

Best example: A typical nuclear family of 4 lives in rural Somewhereville. Dad works, Mom works, two kids a boy and a girl ages 14 and 12. Mom doesn't trust them alone so she hires a babysitter from next door to watch them during the day while she's at work. Babysitter is a 16 year old girl. She likes kids but doesn't like really paying attention to them, she'd rather talk to her 19 year old boyfriend on the phone. Solution? She decided to bring over her Playstation and coaxes the kids into playing games while she sits and talks on the phone.

Conclusion: She diverts their attention from her, so she can meet her goal of talking on the phone.

In today's society that word diversion is what sets the stage for this entire debate over video games, violent and not. The fact that new age parenting won't discipline their kids or control them they instead use TV and video games to divert their attention from them to it, allowing them to do what they need or want to do. If any of you are familiar with Super Nanny, there was an episode where the father ran a home business, but had 4 kids, 2 toddlers and 2 baby twins. He would set them up with Disney movies and toys, or even force them to sleep, just to occupy them for a few hours so he could get a little work done. It sounds like a good idea, but he was not interacting with them or messing up their biological schedule for his own benefit. It's things like that that are the reason we are facing many problems with "game drain" and other such issues that are causing poor test scores and low graduate turnouts. To the last 2-3 generations, video games are a mystery to them because they didn't exsist back then. Games have always held the social definition of "child's toy or act" so the concept of adult video games such as Grand Theft Auto raise alerts and confusion among the generations that still consider games to be children's activities. Movies and TV got away from this because they started and remain activities for all ages or specific ages. Video games however are percieved for children. Video games aren't the only one getting this treatment, CG animation is also on the block of misunderstanding. Square's failed Final Fantasy movie went largely misunderstood by the public because of a lot of people saying "computer animated people can't do real human emotions" and similar, basically CG characters can't tell a real story unless they look like cartoons, make jokes, and make kids laugh.

It will no doubt take a lot of effort and a lot of hardball to evolve video games past their present child's affair to that of an artform that can be viewed and played by all. Until then you have to get down to the root level of this issue when you are debating with these type of people. You need to ask them how they see the core of this issue, the literal definition of a game even.

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Re: Easy classes
[info]blitzfitness
2006-04-23 06:03 pm UTC (link)
Don't have anything to add to that other than I really enjoyed the analogy with CG. I never looked at it that way, but when I thought about it, you're right, that is yet another form of modern media with a roadblock hindering it.

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Re: Easy classes - [info]dividebydesu, 2006-04-23 06:47 pm UTC
Re: Easy classes - [info]expert_gamer, 2006-04-24 02:32 am UTC
Re: Easy classes - [info]the1jeffy, 2006-04-24 04:36 pm UTC
Re: Easy classes - [info]rudgerlight, 2006-04-23 07:03 pm UTC
Re: Easy classes - [info]dividebydesu, 2006-04-24 03:15 am UTC
Re: Easy classes - [info]thefremen, 2006-04-23 07:06 pm UTC
Re: Easy classes - [info]dividebydesu, 2006-04-24 03:18 am UTC

[info]monte924
2006-04-23 06:15 pm UTC (link)
"We have no problem with Obama's setting high goals for young people. But why blame video games? How about talking about some real problems, instead of this red herring? "
What, so blaming TV is ok, but not games?

nah, i don't see that much harm in this statment; it's not like he's singling out video games as the sole problem with low grades and so forth. His statment is basically, "don't get distracted or slack off". While adults are a bit better at managing their time, video games and TV can be very addicting for teenagers, and many teens do see school as a chore and choose easy classes just to get an easy ride. My grades in high school did suffer from too much TV; instead of doing my homework first thing when i got home i would instead watch TV and play games. i would wait till late at night to do my homework(while still wacthing TV). Needless to say, i probably could have used the extra hour or so of sleep, cause i had a tendecy to nod off in class. I'm just lucky that i was smart enough on my own merit to still do well in school; i just think back and think i probably could have done better with some more sleep.

In college, i've learned to better manage my time between studing and my personal time.

The only reason he aims at TV and games is because they can both be very addicting and are capable of being a seriously distractiong if you don't know how to manage your time around them; a fairly common occurance in teens. If it were more common to distracting students, he would probably bash anything that got in the way of studing.

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[info]monte924
2006-04-23 06:30 pm UTC (link)
Also, this doesn't really say where he stands on video game laws, he could be for or against them. Afterall, game laws do nothing to help teens from being distracted from school work, so he may still reconize the freedom of speech granted to video games.

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(no subject) - [info]dividebydesu, 2006-04-23 06:39 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]thefremen, 2006-04-23 06:51 pm UTC
Re: Say what?
[info]turbinerocks
2006-04-23 06:31 pm UTC (link)
I bet everyone would be laughing their balls off if he had said "watching TV, playing World of Warcraft and avoiding tough classes in school." Because you all know it's true. ;-)

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Re: Say what?
[info]thefremen
2006-04-23 06:48 pm UTC (link)
He should have said "watching TV, listening to Pink Floyd while dropping acid and avoiding tough classes in school." that would have been freaking hilarous!

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Re: Say what? - [info]turbinerocks, 2006-04-23 07:02 pm UTC
Re: Say what? - [info]thefremen, 2006-04-23 07:10 pm UTC
hah, well done. :D - [info]turbinerocks, 2006-04-23 07:12 pm UTC
games helping education
[info]asazi
2006-04-23 06:40 pm UTC (link)
Here's a site where the National Science Foundation is paying a college group to produce an MMORPG video game that will help students in the U.S. learn math and physics. Politicians like this guy should take a better look around to see what the government is funding (a video game) to help with math and science.

http://www.dm.ucf.edu/news/2006aprilnews.php#article2

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Re: games helping education
[info]the_ky_guy
2006-04-23 07:24 pm UTC (link)
There are also games that are already helping us educationally.

For example, I got a new Nintendo DS game calles "Brain Age" where you train your brain and play sudoku.

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[info]thefremen
2006-04-23 06:47 pm UTC (link)
I think teenagers spend entirely too much time watching tv and playing video games, I know I sure as hell did. Come on though, what about smoking weed? Why is he such a good friend to the stoners and so harsh on the nerds? Will this odd connection between Obama and the vast teenage stoner conspiracy be brought to light in the next Micheal Moore film? who knows....

I personally blame George Bush for kids getting bad grades in school. They see the president and know for a fact that you can be an alcaholic who doesn't give a shit about school yet make it through college and even become the president, not to mention go AWOL without being dishonorably discharged. John Kerry is also to blame, he showed kids you can be smart as hell but if you're a nerd with no balls who doesn't have strong opinions you will be a loooooooser forever.

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[info]dividebydesu
2006-04-23 06:51 pm UTC (link)
Actually I would go farther and put some blame on reality tv and the entertainment industry. It's not their fault directly but indirectly they show millions of children that you don't really need to try at school you just need to be able to sing, dance, play sports, or anything that might land you a job in Hollywood

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(no subject) - [info]thefremen, 2006-04-23 06:54 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]cyn1c42, 2006-04-23 07:03 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]thefremen, 2006-04-23 07:08 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]jerico6, 2006-04-23 07:04 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]turbinerocks, 2006-04-23 07:16 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]thefremen, 2006-04-24 06:58 pm UTC

[info]kurisu7885
2006-04-23 07:08 pm UTC (link)
I am a bit better at manual tasks thansk to video games, so they've helped me, and with everythign else, it's only a drain or bad thing if you indulge in it far too much, it's not badi n and of itself, and I know ALOT of gamers who are excellent with self regulation, they don't play al lthe tiem, juw when they can and at times they takes a break, turnign off the unit and doing soemthing else.

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[info]kurisu7885
2006-04-23 07:13 pm UTC (link)
And before I forget, video games are hardly the worst thign to come along, what about drugs, like alcohol and Cokcaine? Hell, the JTs liek to say games are even worse than drugs, but what about the guy who mugs peopel to get his latest fix, I doubt he has the money to game anymore.

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[info]turbinerocks
2006-04-23 07:14 pm UTC (link)
Meanwhile, prepare to have your civil rights violated without lotion, in the name of publisher greed.

Seriously, Barack Obama's six syllable snark ain't really news. This stuff is.

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No kidding...
[info]dachande18
2006-04-23 08:18 pm UTC (link)
From the article:
During a speech in November, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales endorsed the idea and said at the time that he would send Congress draft legislation. Such changes are necessary because new technology is "encouraging large-scale criminal enterprises to get involved in intellectual-property theft," Gonzales said, adding that proceeds from the illicit businesses are used, "quite frankly, to fund terrorism activities."

And there's the heart of the matter. Illegal downloading is funding terrorist activities. Hmmm... It's a pretty long jump from "Iraq is harbouring terrorists!" to, "Teenage music pirates are harbouring pirates!".


Permits wiretaps in investigations of copyright crimes, trade secret theft and economic espionage. It would establish a new copyright unit inside the FBI and budgets $20 million on topics including creating "advanced tools of forensic science to investigate" copyright crimes.

Amends existing law to permit criminal enforcement of copyright violations even if the work was not registered with the U.S. Copyright Office.
In other news:

Boosts criminal penalties for copyright infringement originally created by the No Electronic Theft Act of 1997 from five years to 10 years (and 10 years to 20 years for subsequent offenses). The NET Act targets noncommercial piracy including posting copyrighted photos, videos or news articles on a Web site if the value exceeds $1,000.


That's just fucking scary. Wiretaps for copyright infringement?

I hope you're all happy with your country. This is almost unbelieveable. An administration that doesn't give a shit about its people, ignored its own people and the world, and now they're extending their "just for terrorism!" wiretaps to find music-downloaders?! A WIRE TAP FOR COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT?!!? What in the name of fuck.

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Re: No kidding... - [info]turbinerocks, 2006-04-23 08:22 pm UTC
Re: No kidding... - [info]dachande18, 2006-04-23 09:23 pm UTC
Mweh? - [info]goodrobotus, 2006-04-23 10:57 pm UTC
Re: Mweh? - [info]thefremen, 2006-04-24 05:45 am UTC
Re: Mweh? - [info]frankytfrank, 2006-04-24 03:39 pm UTC
The other shoe drops
[info]illspirit
2006-04-23 07:27 pm UTC (link)
Anyone remember that Progressive Policy Institute battle plan covered here last April? The one suggesting Democrats attack games, TV, and music for easy political points.

Well, since they think they've got their collective foot in the door with all the game legislation, maybe they're about to launch the second wave and/or broaden the attack. Maybe this is just the opening volley in some attempt to make new legislation banning kids from TV or something. Makes about as much sense as what they're doing with games.

Or perhaps they're about to change their battle plan altogether, and try to "prove" games (and TV?) hurts kids grades enough to demonstrate a tangible "harm" to get around the First Amendment.

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Re: The other shoe drops
[info]goodrobotus
2006-04-23 07:48 pm UTC (link)
It's a possibility, certainly. I still can't quite figure out this 'Must do better' attitude though. Every generation of students have a list of 'things students do', anyone remember Rock N Roll? Saying that they 'must do better' makes no sense at all. How does going out, getting drunk, dancing all night and generally being students differ now from how it was then?

It seems to me that the American establishment suffers far too heavily from a case of Rose Tinted Glasses as far as the past is concerned.

Fortunately, it's that whole aspect of Jazz, Rock'N'Roll etc that will most likely be the best buffer, after all, people danced to Rock N Roll, I'd say that's pretty interactive (Indeed, in the case of Elvis, it was the way he danced that caused a lot of Media to try and censor him, hence the nickname 'Elvis the Pelvis'.

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[info]refraction
2006-04-23 07:33 pm UTC (link)
While I understand the sentiment you're expressing about this story, I think I'm going to disagree. I got the impression that Obama was talking less about video games as a problem, and more describing what he sees as an overall issue that's causing our youth to not achieve as much as they could. Video games, regardless of educational value, played in excess, can contribute to this. The same could be true of reading (which clearly has value educationally, but if other important educational activities are excluded, a problem exists).

As for your example of other countries where games are prominent and scholastic success still occurs, I know enough about Japan's school system to comment. In Japan, there is a heavy emphasis on success, and school is treated in a much more serious manner than it is stateside. Just ask kids over here about how often they've had to go to school on the weekends. Most will probably think you're joking.

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Picking a fight when you shouldn't.
[info]ninjagaiden
2006-04-23 07:41 pm UTC (link)
What's the problem with that he said? He's not attacking the video game industry at all. He's attacking the slack-ass kids that go to high school (I was one of them), who pretty much just coast their way through classes. He's telling them that instead of sitting around and watching TV or playing video games (stuff that's somewhat unproductive), they should be applying themselves to their studies and challenging themselves, as it'll open up better opportunities in the future.

He's telling them to use their brains, 'cause it'll help them in the future. What's so wrong with that?

As for low scores in math and science in Japan and Korea, is that a problem in those countries? The answer is no. But do the students there REALLY apply themselves to their studies there? The answer is a resounding YES.

Please, don't start picking fights where there doesn't need to be one.

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Re: Picking a fight when you shouldn't.
[info]nozomu
2006-04-24 02:09 am UTC (link)
I agree completely. Playing video games is a hobby, and it's a diversion. It's a lot of fun, true, but at the end of the day, good grades in high school is more important than that save file of Metal Gear Solid 2 with all the dogtags collected. And if kids can't do both, they should study.

Not that I did. And he's not blaming video games, he's blaming kids for having poor priorities. Which they do.

This is a non-issue. If kids are watching TV and playing video games instead of doing their work and studying, they have a problem, their priorities are wrong.

If they're playing video games and watching TV in addition to getting everything done they need to do and keeping their grades up, there isn't a problem, and Senator Obama doesn't suggest that there is one. It's about priorities, not anti-game sentiment.

This seems to me like just looking for something and taking offense at an innoculous statement. There are enough idiots running around saying stupid and inflammitory things about video games, we don't have to waste our time looking for offense where none exists, it distracts from the real mission.

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Re: Picking a fight when you shouldn't. - [info]frankytfrank, 2006-04-24 03:44 pm UTC

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