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FTC Secret Shoppers Find Fewer M-Rated Game Sales to Minors

The video game industry, desperate for good news of late, got some today.

The Federal Trade Commission this morning released results of its "2005 Nationwide Undercover Shop," a broad investigation into the issue of how well video game retailers follow the industry's voluntary ratings guidelines.

The key question, of course, is how readily children were able to purchase M-rated games. As reported by the FTC:

"The undercover shop saw a decrease in the number of M-Rated video games sold to unaccompanied children. Video games rated "M" by the ESRB contain content appropriate for those 17 and older. Forty-two percent of the secret shoppers - children between the ages of 13 and 16 - who attempted to buy an M-rated video game without a parent were able to purchase one. In the 2003 shop, 69 percent of the shoppers were able to buy one."

The report concluded that national chains were "much more likely" to block underage sales of M-rated games. Only 35 percent of secret shoppers were able to buy from national retailers. Local and regional stores fared much worse, selling the game to too-young buyers 63% of the time.

The FTC investigation was conducted between October 2005 and January 2006 and saw secret shoppers visit game retailers in 43 states. 306 stores targeted belonged to national chains, while 100 were local or regional.

The FTC also announced today that it is studying the idea of conducting consumer and parent surveys regarding the use and effectiveness of the ESRB rating.

GP: The FTC results are a mixed blessing for the industry. Ratings compliance continues to improve dramatically among the large retailers. Even so, a 35% failure rate leaves room for improvement - and provides some ammunition for critics as well. The 63% failure rate for local/regional stores is a greater concern, of course.




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I'm curious to see how this compares to MPAA
[info]jabrwock
2006-03-30 03:51 pm UTC (link)
Because I remember when they were ranting that that 69% was too high, when at the same time, a minor could buy an R rated DVD or explicit music 81% of the time, clearly much worse enforcement...

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*said with a touch of sarcasm*
[info]sorakirei
2006-03-30 03:56 pm UTC (link)
But music and movies aren't interactive like video games are. Therefore, video games are SO much worse.

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Re: *said with a touch of sarcasm* - [info]bustermanzero, 2006-03-30 04:26 pm UTC
Re: *said with a touch of sarcasm* - [info]bigman_k, 2006-03-30 09:30 pm UTC
Re: *said with a touch of sarcasm* - [info]hyprocritesatgp, 2006-03-30 11:56 pm UTC
Re: *said with a touch of sarcasm* - [info]beardoggx, 2006-03-31 12:22 am UTC
Re: *said with a touch of sarcasm* - [info]warpstarmstr122, 2006-03-31 01:02 am UTC
Re: *said with a touch of sarcasm* - [info]jdmdsp911, 2006-03-31 06:46 am UTC
Comparision to movies/DVDs sales
[info]bigman_k
2006-03-30 03:52 pm UTC (link)
I wonder what the commarision to R and Unrated DVDs and movies was. Last time is was shown the minors were able to get R and Unrated movies much easier then they could get M rated video games. In wonder what it is this time?

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im waiting for them to say
[info]hilaryduffgta
2006-03-30 04:04 pm UTC (link)
"But music and movies aren't interactive like video games are. Therefore, video games are SO much worse"


im actully witing for them to say "we found that children do not watch movies or listne to music there for we see no reason to do the same thing we do to video games"

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No policy on selling R-rated movies?
[info]dustin1986
2006-03-30 04:07 pm UTC (link)
The fact that their aren't any restrictions for movies is a very good point. Why doesn't anyone ever point that out. There probably should be a policy for that. What are these clerks supposed to do? A kid walks up to you with a copy of Seven and Grand Theft Auto, and he has to say "Oh, well you can get Sevn, but the game goes back on the shelf." It's a weird rule that only applies to games. I'd forget about it too.

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Re: No policy on selling R-rated movies?
[info]sorakirei
2006-03-30 04:13 pm UTC (link)
I've found that MPAA ratings on movie cases just don't stand out like ESRB ratings do thus making it easier to buy an R rated film than an M rated game. That is unless you are shopping at Wal-Mart. The ratings are associated with the barcode, so a notice pops up if the movie is R (restricted). I had that happen to me in a self checkout once. Very annoying, but shows they are paying attenion.

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Re: No policy on selling R-rated movies? - [info]jabrwock, 2006-03-30 05:01 pm UTC
Re: No policy on selling R-rated movies? - [info]bigman_k, 2006-03-30 09:33 pm UTC
Re: No policy on selling R-rated movies? - [info]traiklin, 2006-03-30 08:49 pm UTC
Re: No policy on selling R-rated movies? - [info]bigman_k, 2006-03-30 09:35 pm UTC
Re: No policy on selling R-rated movies? - [info]enmitywithin, 2006-03-30 10:05 pm UTC

[info]sir_bissel
2006-03-30 04:20 pm UTC (link)
What count as local or regional stores? Do we know what the percentage is for each area? I mean, Michigan has fewer stores than, say, California, so maybe if California didn't card anyone at all, but everywhere else did, it would drive up the percentage

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[info]faganmobius
2006-03-30 06:33 pm UTC (link)
Regional = Target, Walmart, Kmart, Gamestop, etc.
Local = stores that are independently owned.

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(no subject) - [info]sir_bissel, 2006-03-30 07:15 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]faganmobius, 2006-03-30 07:23 pm UTC

[info]the1jeffy
2006-03-30 04:31 pm UTC (link)
I'm glad this study came out. I was tired of people bashing Wal-Mart for selling these games to minors, when I worked there for 2 years and never once did with out parental consent. Say what you will about Wal-Mart as a corporation, but at least they are trying to do 'the right thing' for their consumers, at least superficially (i.e. the family). Wal-Mart, Best Buy, and Target (in my area at least) all 'card' for M-games and R-movies. I'd bet if done soley around here, the numbers would be better. I'd like to see a break down by location.

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FTC report
[info]nightwng2000
2006-03-30 04:42 pm UTC (link)
What happened in 2004 I wonder? According to the report, they did a secret shop each year since 2000 except 2004. And the percentage has been steadily dropping in the overall numbers of "able to buy".

What kind of information are they looking for in regards to what the retailer provides about the ratings? That value is going up as well.

I wonder how many were turned down without asking for ID versus how many were able to buy despite being asked for ID.

Other lines from the report:

"The shop, conducted between October 2005 and January 2006, involved 406 stores in 43 states selling electronic or video games. Three hundred and six of the stores were national retailers, while the other 100 were local and regional sellers."

Wonder what the breakdown on the national retailers was. Multiple visits to stores of the same chain or only 1 visit per chain. Also wonder what the state breakdown was also.

"The Commission plans to conduct another undercover shop later this year to test whether young shoppers are able to buy tickets to R-rated films at movie theaters, R-rated movies on DVD, explicit-content labeled music recordings, and M-rated video games."

Well, there's the answer to some of your questions. They are planning on expaning. That's good, and sounds fair.

"The FTC also announced today that is has published a Federal Register notice seeking public comment on proposed consumer surveys."

Good. That's where enforcment of policy should be. Not with the government, but with the public saying to the retailers who have policy "you have a policy STICK TO IT!"


Here are some links the FTC also has that may be of interest:

http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/edcams/ratings/ratings.htm
http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/alerts/videoalrt.htm

nightwng2000

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[info]gasperskeltner
2006-03-30 04:51 pm UTC (link)
Well, it could have been a lot worse. But I don't think kids still buying violent video games is the harbinger of the chaotic breakdown of society like some people think.

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[info]bigman_k
2006-03-30 09:40 pm UTC (link)
I agree, personally i have no problem with 14-15 or older minors buying/renting/playing M rated games and such but it takes some of the heat off of our backs when the retailer stores voluntarily enforce the ESRB rating system. It means the governemnt can't bitch that the retailer's aren't doing their jobs and that state regulations on games but not other media is fine because "the other industires enforce their ratings and are doing their jobs". Which of course we know that's all bull.

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Economic aspect not taken in consideration in study...
[info]silver_derstin
2006-03-30 04:53 pm UTC (link)
Most of the small regional shops where you can buy video games I know would be more then glad if they made 1 sale a day, sometimes. If it's a minor trying to buy a violent game, it's not their problem, they need those sales in order to remain in business. There are also the people who don't CARE about the ESRB rating and would sell the game anyways, since checking the rating is not an obligation for the retailers.

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Re: Economic aspect not taken in consideration in study...
[info]the1jeffy
2006-03-30 06:32 pm UTC (link)
That's another reason these laws are wrong - the government would be directly putting some businesses at risk. Also, since when does buying = playing? These 'poor children' have to play them someplace. Why aren't parents monitoring what is going on under their very roof? Or what goes on under a kid's friends roof?

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Re: Economic aspect not taken in consideration in study... - [info]thefremen, 2006-03-30 07:20 pm UTC
It's Simple
[info]tollwutig
2006-03-30 05:32 pm UTC (link)
One of Best Buy's board members has a wife who runs a foundation whos other board member's brother sits on the FTC board which conducted the survey.

So of course Best Buy will get a high rating and thus bring up the national retailers average!


Sorry for trip into jaclogic.

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Re: It's Simple
[info]keddren
2006-03-30 05:50 pm UTC (link)
If you gathered all the bits of jacologic and put them in a book, you'd have the Jacologicon, the worlds most frightening tome.

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Re: It's Simple - [info]tollwutig, 2006-03-30 06:18 pm UTC
The Not-So-Great Old One - [info]nortelrye, 2006-03-30 06:52 pm UTC
It's true
[info]mathsucks2
2006-03-30 06:43 pm UTC (link)
I'm 16 and I have NEVER been able to buy an M rated game without being carded. Therefore I have NEVER been able to buy one without my mom or dad with me.

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Re: It's true
[info]the1jeffy
2006-03-30 07:21 pm UTC (link)
And you don't have access to a creidt card, correct? So you couldn't buy online with them either.

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Re: It's true - [info]bigman_k, 2006-03-30 09:43 pm UTC
Re: It's true - [info]mathsucks2, 2006-03-31 12:11 am UTC
Re: It's true - [info]redattack34, 2006-03-31 12:52 am UTC

[info]thefremen
2006-03-30 07:11 pm UTC (link)
Is it just me or is the sample group disturbingly small? Where are there local stores anyways, didn't walmart drive them all out of business?

I was disturbed at first until I realized how few stores that is. It's like polling 10 guys in the parking lot of a Nascar event on their support of the president then screaming about Bush's 90% approval rating.

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[info]the1jeffy
2006-03-30 07:16 pm UTC (link)
It's actually a fairly representative number as far as these type of studies. I believe the Nielson ratings only use a few thousand to represent the whole TV audience.

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(no subject) - [info]weefz, 2006-03-30 09:32 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]the1jeffy, 2006-03-30 09:46 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]thefremen, 2006-03-31 03:12 am UTC
It is nice though
[info]skemodan
2006-03-30 07:25 pm UTC (link)
to see that most retailers/stores in general are enforcing this policy. I don't know the backend details of management in regards to this policy, but I know in movie theatres if any employee is caught breaking the MPAA rating's enforcement they will be fired. Or at least thats that case at 5 seperate movie theatres (different chains even) I have friends who work at.

Perhaps if these major chains enforced the same punishment, the results would be better. Best Buy and stores like that usually have loss management systems in place (the guy who checks your receipt at the door) he should probably be held responsible with the second check in this matter. If the cashier lets it slide, but the doorman sees it, he should stop it there, just to be doubly sure.

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[info]weefz
2006-03-30 09:37 pm UTC (link)
What's the incentive for a store to card young people when they sell a Mature game? I guess with Wal-Mart and other big chains it's your standard case where some bad publicity could lose them nationwide revenues but why should a smaller store abide by the ratings? Doesn't it just mean lost sales for them?

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[info]bigman_k
2006-03-30 09:45 pm UTC (link)
Bigger stores do big business and make loads of money so not selling a game to a 12 year old at the counter doesn't effect them that much. Small stores need all the business they can to survive. That's my guess.

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ESRB vs MPAA ratings
[info]illspirit
2006-03-30 09:47 pm UTC (link)
Posted this pic in a thread below, but it's rather relevant here.



The back covers of GTA:San Andreas PC and a randomly grabbed R rated DVD (Shaun of the Dead), scanned side by side. Would do a frontal comparison, but DVDs don't have ratings there at all. :X

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Re: ESRB vs MPAA ratings
[info]warpstarmstr122
2006-03-30 10:40 pm UTC (link)
Damn, you almost need a magnifying glass to see the reason it's rated R... Wait, is that the point?

*rolls eyes* "It's alright to hear language from a movie, but heaven forbid if a child hears language from a video game" is what this screams to me. Another thing I noticed is that some DVD/VHS cases have the reasons the movie was given that rating, and some don't. Is the former a more recent trend?

On another less-related note, I'm somewhat amused that "zombie violence" has its own category. :D

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Re: ESRB vs MPAA ratings - [info]semperar, 2006-04-01 12:30 am UTC
This doesn't come as a surprise.
[info]automancer
2006-03-30 09:47 pm UTC (link)
I know that on average, most retail chains do their job when it comes to carding people for games. You always have to come to the realization that it isn't foolproof, nothing ever is. There are to many variables for it to work perfectly. This is why I believe that Jack isn't aiming to make it illegal for these games to be sold to minors. He puts me under the impression that he wants these games banned altogether. Of course, he won't succede because doing so would undermine the first amendment rights. And for the record Jack the first amendment does protect minors, because they are people too.

-Auto

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Re: This doesn't come as a surprise.
[info]al_gorithm
2006-03-31 01:09 am UTC (link)
You're more than right. He initially started his crusade with the "protect the children" mantra. He stated that he had no problems with gaming in general and just wanted to keep mature content out of the hands of minors. The man, however, was lying. His latest argument proves it. He tries to argue that games are not speech at all, but devices for the sole reason that they are interactive. Thus, they are not protected. IF they are not speech, what is stopping them from being banned for everyone I ask? Nothing. I rather suspect that his plan is to start off protecting the children (cough) and then come up with an excuse why they should be banned for everyone. Luckily no sane judge would rule in favor of this reactionary argument. One look at Oblivion, or even a readthrough of the GameInformer preview of BioShock (shameless plug, irrational are the best) will convince anyone that games are speech, on many many levels.

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?
[info]hyprocritesatgp
2006-03-30 11:49 pm UTC (link)
?

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Get banned prick.
[info]timed95
2006-03-31 01:06 am UTC (link)
Ha ha, you got kicked off Alabama.

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Re: Get banned prick. - [info]rsteinke, 2006-03-31 01:40 am UTC
Re: Get banned prick. - [info]brainswarm, 2006-03-31 03:48 am UTC
Re: Get banned prick. - [info]arjei, 2006-03-31 03:57 am UTC
Re: Get banned prick. - [info]rum_monkey, 2006-03-31 06:46 am UTC
This is Terrible News for Video Game Industry
[info]hyprocritesatgp
2006-03-30 11:55 pm UTC (link)
In December 2005, US Senator Joseph Lieberman proved, with his own reverse stings, that roughly 40% of the time major retailers were selling Mature-rated games to kids under 17. This new FTC finding corroborates that disturbing figure. Only video game shills, like the owner of this site, would say this is "good news."

If government-sponsored reverse stings were to find that roughly 35% of underage kids were able to walk into major retailers and buy six packs of beer, then heads would roll and they should roll.

Given these statistics (now pay attention you gamers who don't do your math homework because you have prostitutes to kill in GTA), if an underage kid goes into 3 retailers, he has a 60% chance of buying an M-rated game. If he goes on the Internet, he has a 100% chance. Go to BestBuy.com. No age verification whatsoever, and it is illegal to use a credit card as an age verifier.

Folks, this FTC finding is proof positive that I have to cut this industry down to size in Alabama, and I shall. Hooah! The Alabama Supreme Court has given us the green light to do just that this week. Jack Thompson

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Re: This is Terrible News for Video Game Industry
[info]tonyselby
2006-03-31 12:05 am UTC (link)
the difference with your Beer Analagy Mr Thompson is that it is illegal to sell beer to minors, it is not Illegal to sell M rated games to anyone, perhaps you should relate the selling of M rated games to something similar such as R rated movies, then of course the problem is that the rate of underage kids buying R rated movies is higher then M rated games


the thing you don't seem to understand is that rating systems arn't ment to be restrictive, neither the MPAA's nor the ESRB's perpose is to the say who can and can not buy the product, their purpose is to inform people what the content contained within the product is, and in that regard the ESRB does a very good job

and your correct that using credit cards as a means of age verification is illegal, but seeing as how there is no age limit for people to be buying games, they don't bother putting an age verification on something that one would need a credit card to perchase anyway since 98% of credit card holders are over the age of 18 anyway

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Re: This is Terrible News for Video Game Industry - [info]gdex86, 2006-03-31 12:32 am UTC
And what if I don't play GTA? - [info]mathsucks2, 2006-03-31 12:17 am UTC
And one more thing... - [info]mathsucks2, 2006-03-31 12:18 am UTC
Re: Actually, it's great news for the industry; BTW, Jack, You Fail At Math - [info]beardoggx, 2006-03-31 12:19 am UTC
Re: Actually, it's great news for the industry; BTW, Jack, You Fail At Math - [info]chuma, 2006-03-31 12:50 pm UTC
Re: This is Terrible News for Video Game Industry - [info]kainsularei, 2006-03-31 12:28 am UTC
Since you brought up my Senator, Jack - [info]mrpat___, 2006-03-31 12:45 am UTC
Re: Since you brought up my Senator, Jack - [info]beardoggx, 2006-03-31 12:49 am UTC
Re: Since you brought up my Senator, Jack - [info]keddren, 2006-03-31 01:55 am UTC
Re: This is Terrible News for Video Game Industry - [info]cyn1c42, 2006-03-31 01:08 am UTC
Re: This is Terrible News for Video Game Industry - [info]father_time89, 2006-03-31 01:12 am UTC
Re: This is Terrible News for Video Game Industry - [info]illspirit, 2006-03-31 01:15 am UTC
Re: This is Terrible News for Video Game Industry - [info]redattack34, 2006-03-31 01:19 am UTC
Re: This is Terrible News for Video Game Industry - [info]redattack34, 2006-03-31 01:31 am UTC
Re: This is Terrible News for Video Game Industry - [info]rsteinke, 2006-03-31 01:44 am UTC
Re: This is Terrible News for Video Game Industry - [info]chuma, 2006-03-31 12:58 pm UTC
Be Careful, Stalker-Boy.... - [info]nortelrye, 2006-03-31 01:39 am UTC
Re: This is Terrible News for Video Game Industry - [info]synthiviper, 2006-03-31 02:33 am UTC
Re: This is Terrible News for Video Game Industry - [info]thefremen, 2006-03-31 03:24 am UTC
Re: This is Terrible News for Video Game Industry - [info]gatz111085, 2006-03-31 04:04 am UTC
Ignore the troll - [info]rum_monkey, 2006-03-31 06:44 am UTC
Re: This is Terrible News for Video Game Industry - [info]ianc14, 2006-03-31 08:45 am UTC
News Alert for JT - [info]enmitywithin, 2006-03-31 01:20 pm UTC
Re: This is Terrible News for Video Game Industry - [info]cowboybeboper42, 2006-03-31 02:46 pm UTC
Re: This is Terrible News for Video Game Industry - [info]mr_putter, 2006-04-03 12:10 pm UTC
A short story
[info]quad9damage
2006-03-30 11:58 pm UTC (link)
I was 18 when this happened, so this must’ve been three years ago. I was in Gamestop buying an M-rated title… I can’t remember what it was, probably Silent Hill 2. The cashier rang it up, and the computer responded with “17? Yes/no” (Most stores have this warning system in place) The clerk asked me how old I was. I had just turned 18, and in that moment I… forgot how old I was!
“17… no, wait, 18, no… 18...”

The clerk laughed and asked for my ID.

If Jack is really right and there’s some massive conspiracy to sell M-rated products to minors, apparently the Gamestop I went to never received that bulletin. I think he’s lying and this is the only excuse he can come up with to get his way. If common sense prevails, he won’t win and I’ll still be able to buy what I damn well please.

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Oh, well, Jack...
[info]mathsucks2
2006-03-31 12:30 am UTC (link)
Whatever you are doing, it isn't working, because I own videogames. And if I wanted, I could turn 90 degrees to my left, turn on the TV, walk a few steps over to the couch, and play a game.
And there isn't a thing you can do to stop me from doing that if I want.

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Oh, and another grammar error
[info]mathsucks2
2006-03-31 12:33 am UTC (link)
'hypocritesatgp' is grammatically incorrect. You have to capitalize the initial letter, as well as the letters which stand for 'Game Politics.'
It should read 'Hypocrites at GP.'
Use my own name as another example. It should read 'Math Sucks 2.'

Don't worry, Jack. You'll get the hang of it someday.

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What Jack reminds me of
[info]quad9damage
2006-03-31 12:59 am UTC (link)
Every now and then (it's been happening more and more frequently) evangelists keep showing up on campus and drawing large groups of hecklers. Their intention is to tell everybody that everything they're learning is wrong, yell a lot, wave their bible at passersby, pick on random people in the crowd, and generally cause a disturbance. Students go right up to the front and engage in one-on-one debates that often become shouting matches. It's quite a show, let me tell you.

In the same vein, Jack keeps showing up here and causing trouble, when he knows damn well that this isn't his audience. I don't understand... what's the point of all this ranting when you know that nobody is going to listen to you? The vast majority of the users here are GAMERS, not angry soccer moms or crooked politicians but gamers, people who LIKE to play games. The inevitable outcome is going to be resistance and lashing back, because that's the way it is with any other hobby. The same goes for a college campus. The people attending are going to further their educations, and the majority of them are enlightened individuals. When they hear science is faulty, evolution is wrong, bla bla bla bla bla, they are going to fight back. It's just that simple.

Jack is a schoolyard bully.

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Re: What Jack reminds me of
[info]bayushisan
2006-03-31 01:05 am UTC (link)
THANK YOU!

You hit the nail on the head with that one. I was about to do something pretty out of character and write a, probably very profanity filled, rebuttal to Jack's latest antics but reading what you just said calmed me down. Thank you for voicing the opinion I wanted to share so eloquently.

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No, he's Lionel Hutz! - [info]mathsucks2, 2006-03-31 01:38 am UTC
Re: What Jack reminds me of - [info]thefremen, 2006-03-31 06:10 am UTC
Re: What Jack reminds me of - [info]psyco_chick32, 2006-03-31 06:58 am UTC
Swtiching gears - a little observation.
[info]the1jeffy
2006-03-31 01:14 am UTC (link)
I ask the GP readership to look above Jack's post and below it. See a difference? Discussion up, bullshit down. Even our 'destroying his statements aren't that great, since he doesn't respond or care. That is all.

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Re: Swtiching gears - a little observation.
[info]yzzerdd
2006-03-31 01:25 am UTC (link)
Please start writing long press releases everyday telling everyone to stop replying to Jack, I'm sure they will be just as effective as his.

Things I am sick of:
Jack Thompson posting
People replying to Jack
People telling everyone to stop replying to Jack.

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Re: Swtiching gears - a little observation. - [info]rsteinke, 2006-03-31 01:45 am UTC
Re: Swtiching gears - a little observation. - [info]the1jeffy, 2006-03-31 01:15 pm UTC
Re: Swtiching gears - a little observation. - [info]the1jeffy, 2006-03-31 01:12 pm UTC
Re: Swtiching gears - a little observation. - [info]yzzerdd, 2006-03-31 01:44 pm UTC
Re: Swtiching gears - a little observation. - [info]the1jeffy, 2006-03-31 04:56 pm UTC
Re: Swtiching gears - a little observation. - [info]illspirit, 2006-03-31 01:50 am UTC
Re: Swtiching gears - a little observation. - [info]the1jeffy, 2006-03-31 01:19 pm UTC
Re: Swtiching gears - a little observation. - [info]sprngpilot, 2006-03-31 02:11 am UTC
Re: Swtiching gears - a little observation. - [info]the1jeffy, 2006-03-31 01:21 pm UTC
Re: Swtiching gears - a little observation. - [info]sprngpilot, 2006-03-31 07:14 pm UTC
Re: Swtiching gears - a little observation. - [info]the1jeffy, 2006-03-31 07:51 pm UTC
It's Really That High???
[info]philbobaggins
2006-03-31 01:32 am UTC (link)
I'm honestly suprized that the numbers are that high for kids buying M Rated games. I've tried to buy 5 'M' Rated games... when I was 18-19... and couldn't buy them.... and I had facial hair T_T From what I've seen, it's being enforced very well.

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Re: It's Really That High???
[info]gatz111085
2006-03-31 04:08 am UTC (link)
when you were 18 and 19? WTF most store policies are 17+, I remember that time I got some old lady in trouble at wallmart because she wouldn't let me buy Ghost Recon Island Thunder. Then she got really rude so I called the manager and explained the situation, were apon he sold me the game and then I saw him escort the scowling old hag to the manager's office.

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So whatever happened with....
[info]timed95
2006-03-31 01:44 am UTC (link)
That LiveJournal IP ban? Did that never go through or did schmuck threaten the LJ folks?

I mean, it's easily provable his whines and moans have no merit, I and I'm sure others wouldn't mind going back and compiling the necessary information if you do not have enough time, Dennis.

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Re: So whatever happened with....
[info]rsteinke
2006-03-31 01:49 am UTC (link)
I think all he needs to do is get a new IP address somehow. Basically refresh his cable modem. LJ won't ban the entire ISP to get rid of Jack.

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Re: So whatever happened with.... - [info]gatz111085, 2006-03-31 04:09 am UTC
Re: So whatever happened with.... - [info]nortelrye, 2006-03-31 04:28 am UTC
Re: So whatever happened with.... - [info]rsteinke, 2006-03-31 04:35 am UTC

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