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GP EXCLUSIVE: Leland Yee Offers Reaction to GDC Debate

By all accounts, it was quite a memorable debate.

As reported by GamePolitics and other sites, California Assembly Speaker pro tem Leland Yee (D) took part in a sometimes confrontational panel discussion at last week's Game Developers Conference (GDC).

Joining Yee onstage for a session called Murder, Sex and Censorship: Debating the Morals of Creative Freedom were University of Wisconsin professor James Gee, author of What Video Games Have to Teach Us About Learning and Literacy, IGDA honcho Jason Della Rocca and game designer Brenda Brathwaite, leader of the IGDA's Sex in Games SIG.

Looking back, what does Yee think of his foray into what might seem enemy territory? GamePolitics interviewed the veteran politician Monday night and found him in high spirits following his GDC appearance.

"A number of the speakers thanked me for coming," he told GP. "And I was very honest with them. I said, 'I don't see this as enemy territory. My ultra-violent video game bill was never against the gaming community or the gaming industry whatsoever. I see [the game industry] as partners in trying to make things better for our children. I felt I was treated fairly."

"The gentleman who was sitting next to me (IGDA's Jason Della Rocca) - with all due deference - many of the concerns he raised about the bill were clearly answered. A number of the arguments he raised were handled in our bill presentations and press confererences."

"All in all," Yee continued, "I thought it was a good opportunity for me to at least correct some of the misunderstandings and put a face behind this Assemblyman Leland Yee. He's clearly not a crazy radical anti-video game [person]... What I'm trying to do is be reasonable and protective of kids... I thoroughly enjoyed the time I had on the podium at the Game Developers Conference."

The California Assembly Speaker mentioned that he spoke to some attendees at the show. "A couple of them did say that they agree with what I was doing. Others argued do you have the evidence to support this particular ban? Well, that's one of the reasons why we are going into court to argue that particular point. But we believe that we will prevail."

By the way, GP has learned that Federal District Court Judge Ronald Whyte will hear final arguments on the California video game law in May. Perhaps to allay gamers' fears, Yee nixed the idea of further legislation.

"This [current California law] is all that I'm going to be doing with the gaming," he told GP. "I think the other concern that many people have was that this was a slippery slope. 'Are you going to go after other things,' and so on. The honest truth right now - I don't see myself doing anything now or in the future on this gaming thing. It was only this one that dealt with the ultra-violent video games."

Yee confirmed that he rushed from a legislative session in Sacramento to San Jose that day in order to appear at GDC.

"Everything worked out really nice," he remarked. "I want to just thank everybody for their courtesy and their forthrightness in whatever questions they had for me."

GP: GP thanks Joystiq's Vladimir Cole for the great picture of Leland Yee working the room at GDC. Be sure to check out Vlad's take on Yee at GDC...




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[info]sainttweeter
2006-03-28 03:46 am UTC (link)
Insightful stuff.

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yee seems nice
[info]enmitywithin
2006-03-28 03:49 am UTC (link)
after email corresponding with him, he's not against games, he just wants to make sure that another massacre doesn't happen.

I applaud him.

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He is not bad...
[info]x_vader_x
2006-03-28 03:50 am UTC (link)
Just wants to prevent less violence I guess...

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Re: He is not bad...
[info]bustermanzero
2006-03-28 03:52 am UTC (link)
Yeah, but will this bill actually do that?

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Re: He is not bad... - [info]x_vader_x, 2006-03-28 01:02 pm UTC
Re: He is not bad... - [info]silver_derstin, 2006-03-28 04:48 pm UTC
Prevail?
[info]bustermanzero
2006-03-28 03:51 am UTC (link)
Umm... right. He's a good guy, but he seriously never seems to really grasp the fact that as parents a bunch of us would prefer not having choices made for us.

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i can respect him
[info]hilaryduffgta
2006-03-28 03:52 am UTC (link)
i like that he doesnt want to just straight ban games (like certain morons) but realizes that yea games like manhunt,gta,condemned shouldnt belong in the hands of kids i like that he isnt trying to keep them from adults who have the right to play them

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Re: i can respect him
[info]bigman_k
2006-03-28 04:11 am UTC (link)
He says that know but back in 2004 he said he was hoping his bills would cause retailers to Quote "take the games off the shelves". Don't buy into his bullshit.

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Question for Yee wrt to "no further legislation"..
[info]beardoggx
2006-03-28 03:56 am UTC (link)
If the California law is ruled unconstitutional, is Yee going to attempt file a different version of the bill? Or is that it, as he claims?

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Re: Question for Yee wrt to "no further legislation"..
[info]hilaryduffgta
2006-03-28 04:01 am UTC (link)
hopefully it will be then end of Yee trying to go for legislation and maybe it will show the rest of the morons that legislation isnt the way

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Only asking this cause i know someone in here will
[info]hilaryduffgta
2006-03-28 04:02 am UTC (link)
How long until our resident troll shows up?

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Never.
[info]timed95
2006-03-28 05:10 am UTC (link)
Now let's never speak of this again.

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Re: Never. - [info]hilaryduffgta, 2006-03-28 05:20 am UTC
God how can you people fall for him....
[info]bigman_k
2006-03-28 04:04 am UTC (link)
Am I the only one who can see through this guys Bullshit. He's playing the gaming crowd to make himself look good but in reality he's an anti-gaming asshole. This guy was hoping his original bills in 2004 would cause retailers to pull the games off the shelf. Not only that but he contradicts himself constantly and is two-faced. On the one hand the guy says to the media and his constitutes that games are as harmful to kids much like cigerettes and alcohol, then on the other hand when talking to the gaming crowd this guy says he only wants to help parents keep their kids away from games without their permission. So what is it Lee. If games are so harmful shouldn't they be barred from minors regardless of whether their parents agree or not. Shouldn't the parents be charged withv letting their kids play such harmful games. Would he mind if parents let there kids drink alcohol and smoke cigerettes. This guys a moron and we shouldn't fall for his crap. It will lead of to start thinking his bullshit retarded agenda isn't so bad when we know it really is bad.

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Re: God how can you people fall for him....
[info]enmitywithin
2006-03-28 04:16 am UTC (link)
well then, how baout you email him yourself?

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Re: God how can you people fall for him.... - [info]astray_child, 2006-03-28 07:12 am UTC
Re: God how can you people fall for him.... - [info]thefremen, 2006-03-28 08:10 am UTC
Re: God how can you people fall for him.... - [info]silver_derstin, 2006-03-28 12:41 pm UTC
Re: God how can you people fall for him.... - [info]thefremen, 2006-03-28 10:21 pm UTC
Re: God how can you people fall for him.... - [info]illspirit, 2006-03-28 07:32 am UTC
Re: God how can you people fall for him.... - [info]thefremen, 2006-03-28 08:13 am UTC
Re: God how can you people fall for him.... - [info]bigman_k, 2006-03-28 02:59 pm UTC
Re: God how can you people fall for him.... - [info]illspirit, 2006-03-28 07:58 pm UTC
Re: God how can you people fall for him.... - [info]gray17, 2006-03-29 05:54 am UTC
Re: God how can you people fall for him.... - [info]bigman_k, 2006-03-28 05:15 pm UTC
Re: God how can you people fall for him.... - [info]tollwutig, 2006-03-28 05:08 pm UTC
Re: God how can you people fall for him.... - [info]silver_derstin, 2006-03-28 05:21 pm UTC
Re: God how can you people fall for him.... - [info]tollwutig, 2006-03-28 05:55 pm UTC
Re: God how can you people fall for him.... - [info]silver_derstin, 2006-03-28 06:06 pm UTC
Because he is being nice to everyone... - [info]mathsucks2, 2006-03-29 12:18 am UTC
Wait and see
[info]andrew_eisen
2006-03-28 04:17 am UTC (link)
"The gentleman who was sitting next to me {IGDA's Jason Della Rocca) - with all due deference - many of the concerns he raised about the bill were clearly answered. A number of the arguments he raised were handled in our bill presentations and press confererences."

I seriously doubt that but I’m going to wait until I see the video of this debate before commenting further.


Andrew Eisen

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too bad
[info]howdoyouplead
2006-03-28 04:42 am UTC (link)
Man, it woulda been SO AWESOME if JT was on that panel. Just think of what kind of victory that would have been. He's not that dumb, though.

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Re: too bad
[info]l0que
2006-03-28 04:46 am UTC (link)
Not that hes not DUMB, but hes Cowardly. He knows he can't win a fair fight.

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Re: too bad - [info]ianc14, 2006-03-28 04:22 pm UTC
Not everyone trying to pass legislature on games are evil.
[info]pelka64
2006-03-28 04:51 am UTC (link)
That's all I have to say.

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Re: Not everyone trying to pass legislature on games are evil.
[info]andrew_eisen
2006-03-28 09:00 am UTC (link)
Evil? No, of course not, but he is wasting an obscene amount of time and money on baseless, unconstitutional, and ineffectual legislation.

Some people (especially taxpayers) find that rather annoying.


Andrew Eisen

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Re: Not everyone trying to pass legislature on games are evil. - [info]silver_derstin, 2006-03-28 12:44 pm UTC
Did anyone else notice the name of the judge?
[info]mrpat___
2006-03-28 05:01 am UTC (link)
Ronald Whyte?
Different person, I know, but now I can't get this guy out of my head. Again.
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Re: Did anyone else notice the name of the judge?
[info]kroninokiller
2006-03-28 06:16 am UTC (link)
hurray for kangaroo court

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[info]thefremen
2006-03-28 07:52 am UTC (link)
I like it when elected officials can talk for 5 minutes without sounding mentally deficient.

I personally think there won't be much to worry about ultra-violent games in the near future. There's so many titles being developed to capitalize on GTA's success that a few will flop and developers will realize that people like sandbox games (like Elder Scrolls: oblivion) for the freedom, and not necessarily the shooting of gangsters.

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Leland Yee earns my respect completely
[info]jerico6
2006-03-28 08:02 am UTC (link)
I may not agree with Leland Yee on these issue or this bill, but Leland Yee earns my respect completely because he acts in a civil, understanding manner. He in no way sees the video game industry as an evil corporation out to hurt our kids (unlike *cough* Jack Thompson *cough*); he sees them as a great creative industry similar to the movie, but also like movies, he knows that not all games are right for kids. I may not agree with him on how a bill like this would work, but he earns my respect because of his respect and trying to be fair. Even if you don't agree with Leland Yee, you have to at least respect the guy.

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Re: Leland Yee earns my respect completely
[info]liveordie2
2006-03-28 10:17 am UTC (link)
Me too... Yee doesnt jump into conclusions unlike the man we know Jack Thompson. I agree, not all games are suitable for kids aged 4 or 6, hard to say though, but I think that there will be a very rare chance that children will imitate the violent moves in the games. Its time for researching I guess..

P.S I forgive Jack Thompson. And I hope God will have mercy on his family too, I feel sorry for Jack that his ignorance had led him to wickedness...

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Fogirve, Jack? HA!!!! - [info]kurisu7885, 2006-03-28 10:59 am UTC
Re: Fogirve, Jack? HA!!!! - [info]liveordie2, 2006-03-29 09:21 am UTC
Re: Fogirve, Jack? HA!!!! - [info]kurisu7885, 2006-03-29 02:58 pm UTC
OT but kinda funny.....
[info]kurisu7885
2006-03-28 10:57 am UTC (link)
I was jsut playing GTA Vice City for the first tiem in years, and when I saw Pastor Richards on the boat in I think the second mission, the dude looked like JT, I swear to god.

As for this issue, Yee earns my respect for the fact that he didn't jsut get on the podium and start badmouthing people left and right. Jack would never even try this because he would be in a room full of peopel that can see right through his bull.

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Re: OT but kinda funny.....
[info]kurisu7885
2006-03-28 11:36 am UTC (link)
Also, I won't put it past JAck to try and discredit Mr. Yee for not trying to attack video games as a whole and get them banned for good, or at least till Jack dies.

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Yee's current score
[info]silver_derstin
2006-03-28 12:47 pm UTC (link)
Having civil exchange with the gaming press: +2
Still spouting nonsense about his bill: -5
Still saying "THINK OF THE CHILDREN": -5
People remembering what he said in the past as opposed to today: -1

Current score: -71 - 9: -80

Not as bad as Johnny Boy, but still...

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A good guy...
[info]mr_putter
2006-03-28 12:51 pm UTC (link)
He seems to be insightful and honest, and highly respective.
I appreciate the comments he made.

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His best comment:
[info]chadius
2006-03-28 02:27 pm UTC (link)
"This [current California law] is all that I'm going to be doing with the gaming"

So he learned not mess with something he can't win.

Good. Stop harrassing my rights, punky.

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[info]semperar
2006-03-28 02:29 pm UTC (link)
I'm glad to hear this as well. As I said, this man is probably the most unecessarily respectful and polite figure in the 'enemy' camp; likely the reason why Jack hasn't associated with him, hah.

I am a bit surprised at the concessions he is willing to make in this interview, but yes, he's definitely several hundred steps ahead of any other legislators.

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[info]the1jeffy
2006-03-28 02:49 pm UTC (link)
quote from Yee:

Some of these games are about cutting off heads and urinating on people...

SOME!?

Data:
Number of games listed in the ESRB website: 11,358 (regardless of rating)
Number of both M and AO games listed: 1,006
(data from ESRB.com)

Number of games that : "...are about cutting off heads and urinating on people..." - 0

Number of games where that is a possibility: 2

Percent of total games: 0.018% (rounded up)
Percent of M and AO games: 0.198%

Completely made up, just like any 'threat to children by video games':

Percent chance that Yee is a 'fucking idiot': 99.9%
(due to some statistics that say he is not a 'fucking idiot', but in fact his brain was replaced with cabbage) OK I just made that up.

Look, I know we want to come across as mature, non-violent, intelligent gamers, but an idiot is an idiot. And Yee is most definitely an idiot.

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[info]awol1010
2006-03-28 03:11 pm UTC (link)
Might say that "Percent of M and AO games: 0.198%" is the percent of games that have cutting off heads and urinating on people out of the M and AO rated games. Took me a while to to figure out where the number was coming from.

Regarding Yee, give the man respect he at least willing to talk to use in a civil manner without calling us morons and idiots or any other insult. Besides we need to talk and debate with these people its the only way to get them to understand where we are coming from and we need to do that in a civil respectful manner as well.

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(no subject) - [info]the1jeffy, 2006-03-28 03:29 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]silver_derstin, 2006-03-28 04:34 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]the1jeffy, 2006-03-28 05:04 pm UTC
Like you all said...
[info]sabin_blitz
2006-03-28 02:59 pm UTC (link)
Yee is much better than Jack. The main reason I say this is because he's respectful and doesn't see the gaming industry as the tool of Satan. I may not agree with some of the actions he wants to take with his legislation, but it's good to at least have someone who I, if given the chance, would enjoy engaging in a debate with, unlike a certain self-righteous bigot we have come to either laugh at or be completely disgusted with everytime he opens his noisehole.

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[info]the1jeffy
2006-03-28 03:27 pm UTC (link)
There's no evidence that smoking causes cancer. What you have is correlational data. what we do is assume that it's as if you have done a cause-and-effect study.

Another choice Yee quote. There is 25 years of solid scientific evidence linking smoking, and second hand smoke, to greatly increased risk for lung cancer. Where is that proof for any form of violent media? Violent media has been around since biblical times.

To Yee: in 1337-speak, which I usually never use:

STFU n00b.

Let me break that down, so as to silence those who think I am not presenting myself as a gamer in a good light. A n00b is a person with inexpirience meddling in the affairs of his betters. I quote Joystiq: "Leland Yee himself isn't all that impressive as a politician. His presence can best be desribed as "small." The table he sat at dwarfed him, his voice didn't carry, and his elocution and diction are sub-par for someone making a career in politics. There was no sense that the man has any stage charisma. If this is the best of the West-coast anti-game politicians, game lobbyists should take heart.." Seems like a n00b to me.

If you were playing a game, and a person with the skills (or lack there of) as Yee was acting foolish and making false, illogical statements, I submit that you would tell him: STFU n00b.

STFU n00b, indeed.

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[info]garbagepa1lk1d
2006-03-28 05:12 pm UTC (link)
Any idiot who managed a C or better in Psychology 101 knows that correlation and causation are two completely different things.

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(no subject) - [info]the1jeffy, 2006-03-28 05:16 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]gray17, 2006-03-29 06:06 am UTC
You know what...
[info]skemodan
2006-03-28 03:45 pm UTC (link)
So what if he's two-faced. At least he plays the room like a gentleman. I can think of at least one, possibly two, people who would have no shame getting up on that panel and pointing at the crowd and saying "You're all despots! You pixela....er...gamers will pay for your terrorism!"

I've said it once and I'll say it again, I have NO problem whatsoever educating parents about violent video games to help them make better decisions about what video games or other forms of violent media to allow their kids to be exposed to. I have no problems with the V-Chip, I have no problem with STORE POLICIES regarding the ESRB and sale to minors, I have no problem with the MPAA ratings system and theatre's policies to enforce their own laws for admittance to certain films based on those ratings. I DO, however, have a real problem with governmental regulation on ANY of these systems. The buck stops at the parents, not at the government, to regulate what children see and don't see. This is all about responsible parenting, and if the parents can't handle this, then that's their problem, not the government's.

Simple as that.

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[info]garbagepa1lk1d
2006-03-28 05:10 pm UTC (link)
Wolf in fucking sheep's clothing. I can't believe how many of you are falling for this act. He gets no respect from me.

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[info]tollwutig
2006-03-28 06:02 pm UTC (link)
The only respect he is getting is for not callling us all brain damaged masturbating murdering genocidal vigelantes who couldn't tell the Constitution from toilet paper with damaged frontal lobes trying to start Pearle Harbor II.. .... did i get them all?

If you notice and read the posts thoroughly you'll see, its nice to see someone show some politeness in the debate.

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(no subject) - [info]garbagepa1lk1d, 2006-03-28 06:53 pm UTC
Yee is nothing more than a Liar
[info]godofyouall
2006-03-28 05:45 pm UTC (link)
As I mentioned before Yee obviously thinks that the average person is stupid.

During the debate he basically admits there's no evidence that games are harmful. However a press release he made in December stated:

"The medical data clearly indicates that these ultra-violent video games have harmful effects on kids, and thus we have a state interest to protect them."

He also claims he has nothing against the video game industry. However in the same press release in December he accuses the video game industry of:

"profiteering on the backs of children."

When is Yee gonna stop lying and concentrate his efforts and taxpayers money fighting for something that is gonna make a real difference to the American public?

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Re: Yee is nothing more than a Liar
[info]tollwutig
2006-03-28 06:03 pm UTC (link)
When he is no longer a politician.

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