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Michigan Guv Joins State Democrats in 25 to Life Boycott

Michigan Governor Jennifer Granholm has joined the call for a boycott of Eidos' controversial cops-and-robbers shooter 25 to Life.

In a press release on her website, Granholm cites a letter sent to video game retailers in which she writes, "Taking this game off your shelves is not only the best way to ensure that it does not end up in the hands of children, it also sends a message of support to our law enforcement community that we will not support those who would profit from the production and sale of such games, no matter what the intended audience."

Last week, GamePolitics reported that Michigan's Democratic legislators introduced a resolution denouncing 25 to Life and likewise calling for a boycott. The resolution, introduced by Rep. Kathy Angerer, has been referred to a the Government Operations Committee of the Michigan House.

Michigan, of course, was one of three states to sign video game sale legislation into law last year. Gov. Granholm was the driving force behind the measure, which has been contested by the game industry on First Amendment grounds and is under temporary injunction. A critical federal district court hearing on the constitutionality of the game law is scheduled for March 22nd.




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Why... ?
[info]quad9damage
2006-03-16 01:55 pm UTC (link)
All comments about the constitution aside, isn't it pretty much common knowledge that the game sucks?

At least they're not going after something that people like.

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Re: Why... ?
[info]luckykaa
2006-03-16 02:04 pm UTC (link)
I've heard its selling well though. Who would have thought it with all this harmful publicity and calls to boycott the game?

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Re: Why... ?
[info]beardoggx
2006-03-16 02:15 pm UTC (link)
Partly because idiots like Granholm create controversy where there is none.

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Not For Long
[info]seifd
2006-03-16 02:24 pm UTC (link)
Elections are coming up. DeVos will be the new governor. Granhom is out of here.

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Re: Not For Long
[info]sir_bissel
2006-03-16 02:39 pm UTC (link)
Fscking DeVos. AND his hall.

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Re: Not For Long
[info]psyco_chick32
2006-03-16 05:35 pm UTC (link)
As of right now, though, Granholm still holds a lead.

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Re: Why... ?
[info]jargon_john
2006-03-16 02:36 pm UTC (link)
But of all the copies that are selling, how many are being returned?

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Re: Why... ?
[info]quad9damage
2006-03-16 04:47 pm UTC (link)
Right, and that's exactly what's going to happen with Bully; which may explain why Thompson is so aggressively trying to get it banned now.

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Ugh.
[info]anticron
2006-03-16 02:18 pm UTC (link)
Who cares? The game is awful. Quit giving it publicity and it'll die a mercilessly painful death that will hopefully dissuade game companies from pushing out vile garbage* like that again.


* refers to game or gameplay itself, not content or presentation within.

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Re: Ugh.
[info]bigman_k
2006-03-16 02:21 pm UTC (link)
Politicians never learn. Controversy sells. The more you make a fuss, the more people will want it.

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Re: Ugh.
[info]anticron
2006-03-16 02:25 pm UTC (link)
This all makes me wonder if some good ol' fashioned game theory couldn't be applied.

I mean, if one party (a) knows the other party (b) is going to do something, and (b) knows that (a) knows that (b) is going to do something, then will (b) choose the obvious selection, or will (b) attempt to do the opposite of what (a) is thinking?

Basically, are the politicians worried about the game, or do they want the game to sell well enough to say, "Hey! We told you so!"

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Re: Ugh.
[info]barfo
2006-03-16 11:51 pm UTC (link)
I mean, if one party (a) knows the other party (b) is going to do something, and (b) knows that (a) knows that (b) is going to do something, then will (b) choose the obvious selection, or will (b) attempt to do the opposite of what (a) is thinking?

Inconceiveable!
"Now, a clever man would put the poison into his own goblet, because he would know that only a great fool would reach for what he was given. I am not a great fool, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But you must have known I was not a great fool, you would have counted on it, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me."

Actually the game theory analysis is very simple as the current situation is a stable equilibrium point. The option chosen by both parties is individually a dominant strategy for each party and thus maximizes gains on both sides (assuming that the politicians are valuing their image more highly than their actual effectiveness). To wit, as long as they are popular, game makers will keep making violent games, and as long as there are violent games to decry the politicians will keep being able to boost their perceived standing with voters, thus selling the games more.

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The one thing I keep reminding myself is....
[info]phoenixzero
2006-03-16 02:23 pm UTC (link)
She's a goner this November.... Michigan has gone down (or further,heh) the toilet ever since she's been in office.

It's too bad the media doesn't care enough to expose this for what it really is.

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Re: The one thing I keep reminding myself is....
[info]bigman_k
2006-03-16 02:33 pm UTC (link)
Obviously attacking violent video games is a way for her to try and get the other infinetly more important issues she can't deal with out of the voters minds and to try and gain popularity amoungst the SUV driving Soccer moms worried about the evil satanic video games that might turn their kids into mass murders and psychopaths.

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Re: The one thing I keep reminding myself is....
[info]sir_bissel
2006-03-16 02:40 pm UTC (link)
She has Detroit. The rest of Michigan doesn't count.

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Wow, your comment snuck right in there....
[info]phoenixzero
2006-03-16 10:51 pm UTC (link)
I don't think Detroit will be enough this time around, even if a large portion of our state's population resides there, she only won by 4% and let's not forget we had a Republican Governor for 12 years in Engler, granted the last time he went against the joke that was Geoffrey Fieger, but still joke or not, a 24% difference is quite a lot for a state that's supposed to have a strong democrate base in Detroit. Okay, so that was more of a relfection on a bad canidate than voting for a good one.

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Re: Wow, your comment snuck right in there....
[info]sir_bissel
2006-03-16 11:19 pm UTC (link)
Right, but before Roundboy we had Blanchard for, what, 8? In his 2nd and 3rd re-election, Engler had basically the same, but with Blanchard it was less than 1% that he won by...

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Re: The one thing I keep reminding myself is....
[info]phoenixzero
2006-03-16 02:44 pm UTC (link)
Exactly!

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[info]illspirit
2006-03-16 02:33 pm UTC (link)
Taking this game off your shelves is not only the best way to ensure that it does not end up in the hands of children

And it's also a way of keeping adults from buying Constitutionally protected speech, you fascist. Not that any of us wanted to buy it anyway, but, erm, yea.

If I won the lotto, I'd so buy a few thousand copies of the game and set up a website offereing to mail them for free to anyone in Michigan who wants the crappy thing.

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[info]anticron
2006-03-16 02:37 pm UTC (link)
Please don't encourage companies to make poor games like this by buying them. :)

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[info]rebka_03
2006-03-16 02:37 pm UTC (link)
I live in Michigan, and I'm writing a letter to Mrs. Granholm right now. This boycott is not the way to go. Kids are going to get at violent media whether we like it or not, so why impose more restrictions on a media that is just as influential in a kids life as movies, TV or the news? Sometimes it's the parents' fault if kids are taking this violence out on the street, and I want her to know how I feel. If anyone wants a copy of the letter when I'm done, let me know, and I'll post it as a cut in MY journal.

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[info]tollwutig
2006-03-16 03:25 pm UTC (link)
More likely I would ask her why she is encouraging a poorly made game to sell better by creating controversy over it. If people would quit making such a big deal about 25 to Life it woulda been in the bargain bins inside of a month.

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Grammy
[info]rayzak2000
2006-03-16 02:58 pm UTC (link)
I live in Michigan, and she is an idiot. She hasn't done anything right since she got into office, so she's clinging onto anything that will get her re-elected.

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[info]anatomyofreason
2006-03-16 03:03 pm UTC (link)
Ironic how it's the group these politicians are claiming to be protecting (the children) that is getting exploited in order to get stupid shit like this passed through the legal system.

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dont buiy it cuase of the controversy dont buy it cause its teh suck
[info]diceman82
2006-03-16 03:44 pm UTC (link)
On facism-folks dont realize it yet but yes america is becomming more and more like when russia was a communism from attacks on books,games,social standing
ect.

in the mid to late 90s it was attacks on weapons making it nealy impossible to own one something that was garunteed by x amendment but they just chip away at it till thiers nothing left..

next on thelist is free speech i mean look how many really good reports on 9/11 enver got a chance to get published or even glanced at(some even got
arrested for treason based on thier facts being "inflamatory toa rebellion" >.>)

next thing you know we will all have to wear bar codes on or foreheads to buy groceries....

americas sinking faster than ea games and we are all abaord for the trip :(

ps-srry for burning ea games fans but seriously ea stop witht eh sims expansion crap :p

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Re: dont buiy it cuase of the controversy dont buy it cause its teh suck
[info]sir_bissel
2006-03-16 05:31 pm UTC (link)
When they took away the Fourth Amendment,
I was quiet because I didn't deal drugs.
When they took away the Sixth Amendment,
I was quiet because I was innocent.
When they took away the Second Amendment,
I was quiet because I didn't own a gun.
Now they've taken away the First Amendment,
and I can't say anything about it.

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Eidos must be having a good laugh with this
[info]enmitywithin
2006-03-16 03:45 pm UTC (link)
whoever thought one shitty game could get so much coverage?

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Re: Eidos must be having a good laugh with this
[info]duncan_922
2006-03-16 04:25 pm UTC (link)
/agree 100%

If it wasn't for this stupidities like this, we wouldn't even be talking about this game.

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Re: Eidos must be having a good laugh with this
[info]startropics
2006-03-16 04:37 pm UTC (link)
We need to find out how many copies this game sold. If it was a success, I suggest we go ahead with my game idea:



Just THINK of the controversy!

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Re: Eidos must be having a good laugh with this
[info]blitzfitness
2006-03-16 06:44 pm UTC (link)
Love the graphic.

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I've never hated Michigan.......
[info]kurisu7885
2006-03-16 04:24 pm UTC (link)
more than I do now. Ever since Granholm cut school funding (I think it was her) I've been pissed off at government, mostly because funds at my school got diverted from where they were needed to sports.

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Re: I've never hated Michigan.......
[info]startropics
2006-03-16 04:38 pm UTC (link)
Eeech.

"Our kids are dumb as shit BUT THEY CAN THROW A BALL!"

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Re: I've never hated Michigan.......
[info]sprngpilot
2006-03-16 06:14 pm UTC (link)
We all know it's more important to provide opportunites for the 1% of the population that has a chance to play professional sports rather than worry about the education of the other 99%...

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Re: I've never hated Michigan.......
[info]jindewinter
2006-03-16 04:51 pm UTC (link)
So she destroied their futures by slashing funding, but now she thinks she can run on the "Save the Children" bandwagon? Her new name should be Douchenstine or Douchezilla

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Re: I've never hated Michigan.......
[info]silver_derstin
2006-03-16 05:35 pm UTC (link)
Actually, the forces in power usually consider education a threat, so yeah, she was saving the children before hand. Well, saving the children from opposing them, that is.

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Re: I've never hated Michigan.......
[info]kurisu7885
2006-03-16 05:46 pm UTC (link)
General Washington must be rolling in his grave, course, he shoudl be with so many politicians pissing on it.

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Re: I've never hated Michigan.......
[info]sir_bissel
2006-03-16 05:27 pm UTC (link)
I think it was a mix of her and the legislature. I dunno, on the one hand I kinda feel bad for her because Engler handed her a sinking ship, but at the same time, she starts doing stuff like this and I wonder...

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Re: I've never hated Michigan.......
[info]rebka_03
2006-03-17 04:53 am UTC (link)
OMG I know what you mean. Instead of dividing the money we got the year I graduated from highschool between gen. ed., arts, and sports, it all went into a new football field, and our art teacher was fired. >.

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[info]silver_derstin
2006-03-16 04:33 pm UTC (link)
25 to Life is the only game I know that the developpers actually said it sucked. This tells us a lot about the game itself. The only reason such a game would sell is BECAUSE of those boycotts and the attacks against it.

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[info]jabrwock
2006-03-16 06:00 pm UTC (link)
25 to Life is the only game I know that the developpers actually said it sucked. This tells us a lot about the game itself. The only reason such a game would sell is BECAUSE of those boycotts and the attacks against it.

I wonder if anyone's asked Granholm how she feels about being suckered by Eidos into advertising the game for them? :P

Has anyone pointed out to her that the developers were DEPENDING on people like her to drive sales up?

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[info]malonscronie
2006-03-16 04:42 pm UTC (link)
I'm glad to know there are a lot of michiganders who hate granholm as much as I!

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[info]semperar
2006-03-17 01:00 am UTC (link)
(waving my hand)

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Another successful ban
[info]blitzfitness
2006-03-16 06:43 pm UTC (link)
I mean, after all, look how well Harry Potter was crushed. It's not like his book is in millions of homes or seeing money-making movie after money-making movie. Yes, yes, these work out great in the modern world.

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Re: Another successful ban
[info]jabrwock
2006-03-16 10:54 pm UTC (link)
look how well Harry Potter was crushed

Are you kidding me? They tried to have HP banned? I know some right-wing christian extremists wanted it banned, but did they seriously get the same support this boycott did?

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Re: Another successful ban
[info]blitzfitness
2006-03-16 10:57 pm UTC (link)
I don't have the facts in front of me, nor the opportunity to double check, but I remember my aunts (all who have children that read those books) talking about a fight to not only ban the books from schools and libraries, but to also have a book burning. For some reason, Arizona comes to mind, but don't quote me on that.

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Re: Another successful ban
[info]nightwng2000
2006-03-17 03:49 am UTC (link)
Here are a few links from google search "harry potter ban" and "ban harry potter". A number of news stories, a petition, and even an email.

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/04/23/1050777290898.html
http://www.freeexpression.org/newswire/0303_2003.htm
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1076098
http://www.saintsalive.com/general/potterquestions.htm
http://speakout.com/activism/issue_briefs/1319b-1.html
http://www.petitiononline.com/a1b2c37/petition.html
http://www.religioustolerance.org/potter3.htm

It's all pretty old, around 2000 to 2001.

nightwng2000

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[info]angry_man
2006-03-16 07:15 pm UTC (link)
It's the Gubernatrix! Run!

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Thank god I left Michigan...
[info]hudsonshrk
2006-03-17 04:03 am UTC (link)
but oh wait I'm in Tennessee now where jack a$$ part 2 is trying to ban all violent video games. I just can't win.

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