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Entry tags:childhood obesity, ddr, konami, west virgina

Why DDR is A-OK in WVA

GamePolitics and other news sources have reported on West Virginia's efforts to combat childhood obesity with Konami's Dance Dance Revolution. DDR is being used in the state as a supplement to school health and phys-ed courses.

How did this all come about? A pair of interviews (here and here) at BlueAlien.org shed some light on the program's genesis and Konami's level of involvement with West Virginia officials.

Games for Health is the pilot project conducted last year at West Virginia University and funded by the Public Employee Insurance Agency (PEIA) to evaluate the effects of a game-based home exercise routine on cardiovascular fitness. The program measured results of at-risk or overweight children, ages 7 to 12 following a 12-week DDR regimen. The promising data obtained from the study prompted PEIA to partner with the state's Department of Education.

"We quickly came up with 20 PE teachers who were more than happy to try this out," said Melanie Purkey, Director of the Office of Healthy Schools, "and they came back with very positive input that students liked it. In particular it was attractive to the student who is not your traditional student who exceeds in physical education classes. but the students who normally want to not dress and sit out on the bleachers. It attracted that student to PE class and to being physically active."

Although officials wanted to introduce the program to all West Virginia schools, Purkey said money was tight.

"So we...contacted Konami and said, 'We're getting some national press that's attached to your game. We really would like to expand this project. could we partner with you to do that?'" Konami agreed to help and donated $75,000.

Not just a supplement to gym class, DDR setups in public schools are being made available to students and faculty both before and after school.

"They're looking at how to make it available, before school particularly... in West Virginia we have many consolidated schools that kids travel and the bus schedule is such that some kids get to school and they have to wait a half an hour or 45 minutes before their first period. This (DDR) will give them something physically active to do during that time. One of the plans... is to develop some clubs so students can have competitions from school-to-school... that's in the long-range plan and I think that's happening in other places as well."

Konami will soon have information on their website for other schools wishing to adopt their own DDR programs.

-Andrew Eisen




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[info]sir_bissel
2006-03-03 12:18 pm UTC (link)
I feel bad for the kid with no rhythm...

I wonder how they'd grade-- or if they'd really grade on it for anything other than participation.

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[info]anticron
2006-03-03 01:22 pm UTC (link)
Rhythm isn't so much a major concern. As you play, you get better. Your reflexes start compensating for any lack of timing youmight have. It might not be as good as a person with perfect rhythm-sense.. but you are by no means a poor player.

Additionally, whether you hit the notes or not, you still burn calories while flailing around (and missing steps). It's win-win.

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[info]beardedferret
2006-03-03 01:28 pm UTC (link)
I don't know about that - as a card-carrying not-very-good-at-PE-when-I-was-at-school person, a lot of not being very good at PE was the fear of sodding it up and looking uncoordinated in front of my peers. I can't really see this being particularly different. The best defence we have against fat kids remains IMHO not feeding them so many cheeseburgers.

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[info]anticron
2006-03-03 01:40 pm UTC (link)
Well, granted. The cafeterias need to stop offering three-billionty calorie lunches/options.

But, it's kinda weird. DDR is almost addictive. Some people click with it, regardless of weight, and others simply don't care for it. I've seen some pretty hefty people get up and move like you'd never, ever believe, and I can pretty much garauntee they'd never run for much other than a case of .

It's really much different when you can't see everyone watching you. The concentration blocks a lot of the awkwardness out.

It's just.. odd.. and I think it'll work.

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[info]wxdiva
2006-03-03 04:29 pm UTC (link)
One of my good friends is pretty large, yet she does well at DDR. I've also seen the thin preppy kids messing up horribly. As far as the school lunches go, I agree with you. When I was in high school and there was something that was actually nutritious being served at lunch, most kids would opt for the pizza line (even if those rectangle-shaped pizzas taste nasty). Eliminating the pizza line option would help tremendously.

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[info]beardedferret
2006-03-03 01:18 pm UTC (link)
It would be particularly embarrassing, I imagine, to get an F not only in getting your ass kicked on the football pitch, but also in busting a move. Still, there's always Guitar Hero or Singstar.

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[info]the1jeffy
2006-03-03 01:29 pm UTC (link)
Sorry AE, but that is the worst picture ever. Miyazaki's works are dear to me, and that seems shameful. But, free speech and all.

As to the topic, blitzfitness brought up some interesting points the last time this was mentioned, I hope he's around. Now that the money is coming in from Konami, some of the "waiting in line" issues are addressed. As much as I have a distaste for DDR, I think this will be good for kids, and the image of video games.

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[info]sallizar
2006-03-03 01:47 pm UTC (link)
Eeek!! it's killing my brain! I like the animated gif of the little bunny trying to play DDR that's floating around the Net better...

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[info]sir_bissel
2006-03-03 04:00 pm UTC (link)
I just wish the DDR pad was centered more....

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[info]andrew_eisen
2006-03-03 06:40 pm UTC (link)
Sorry AE, but that is the worst picture ever.

Really? I think it’s adorable. I’m a big fan of Miyazaki’s works too.


Andrew Eisen

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[info]ianc14
2006-03-03 07:40 pm UTC (link)
I like it.

And yes, big Miyazaki fan here too.

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Usually I make a health related comment, but instead...
[info]blitzfitness
2006-03-03 02:21 pm UTC (link)
I wonder how long it will take before certain school systems see a 'potential market' and start charging money for use of these machines, especially for use outside of gym classes.

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[info]anticron
2006-03-03 02:47 pm UTC (link)
Outside Gym: Sure I can see that. It's recreation. If it is anywhere other than, say, a PE-area (like a commons area), I could definately see them implementing a nominal charge. They may have some criticism they'll have to deal with, however, and I think they'd have to purchase machines specifically for this task rather than use the ones donated for PE purposes.

Inside Gym: I think they'd have problems. It'd be like charging the kids per softball in order to participate in class that day. They're bringing the machines into class in order to have higher participation in class from (potentially) unlikely students, thus it isn't much different than any other specific equipment they'd use.

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[info]blitzfitness
2006-03-03 02:49 pm UTC (link)
I understand that, and felt the same way. I think I would be one of those people challenging any being charged. My reason would be that it would reduce the reach of such a setup (as not everyone will have/want to spend the money to use it, thereby passing up an exercise opportunity).

Does anyone know if any arcades are A) still in existence, and B) how will this effect them?

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[info]anticron
2006-03-03 03:03 pm UTC (link)
Yes, arcades (with DDR) still exist. They're thinning, however.

Anyway, extracurricular DDR (read: not in class) could easily be charged for. If absolutley nothing else, a nominal fee (25c) would help offset the maintenance costs for the machines as a whole. It wouldn't be as if the schools are trying to specifically to turn a profit on them, but rather to recoup the cost of the machine and to maintain them properly. If you'd ever played on a poorly maintained machine, you'd understand that it's pretty vital to have any satisfaction in playing. It's one thing to understand that you need to keep working and another to understand the machine is broken.

I'm not saying it would happen, of course, but rather that it wouldn't be unreasonable. The schools could even do a few (small) things to offset the fee, such as keeping the rounds low on the Gym ones (3 rounds) and boosting the EC ones to 5 rounds.

The excercise portion would obviously be better if it were free, but--and I'm not trying to sound anti-PE--they only mandate excercise during specific times of the day. Anything else is just lovely.

That said, I really hope they properly maintain their machines.

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[info]anticron
2006-03-03 03:30 pm UTC (link)
You know, for some inane reason, I assumed they were using Arcade cabinets rather than consoles and soft/hard pads. That tosses a lot of my speculation out the window.

If they would have this sort of thing in a commons area, it'd almost specifically have to be an arcade cab. The risk of having a console/pads out in the open without supervision is a definate concern.

To that end, I definately don't see them considering any charges in their current setup.

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[info]blitzfitness
2006-03-03 06:41 pm UTC (link)
all good points.

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Re: Usually I make a health related comment, but instead...
[info]tollwutig
2006-03-03 03:34 pm UTC (link)
For Extracurricular I can see charging nominally.
Preferably on some kind of token or Debit Card system, where as the game could be discounted on those who it would help more/could not afford. (i.e. Kids who are on assisted lunched be charged less and or not at all. Also Kids who are obese again reduced or no charge for tokens.)
If you make token/debit purchases are private you could avoid the social stigma.

A debit system would be more efficient although more expensive over all, but would have added benefits such as:

Automatic adding of credits to those qualified for free games.

If it gains popularity the system as an extra curricular could be used as a punishment/rewards system. A student who misbehaves could have access restricted. Where as a student who accomplishes something could be awarded credits by teachers.

Hopefully WV follows up on this and sees all the potential they have in this.

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[info]acroamatis
2006-03-03 06:36 pm UTC (link)
Not to be a wet blanket, but I don't see how this could be done fairly. Certainly, tokens could be provided to children who are on assisted lunches, but doing the same for obese children, whether on debit or in token form, would be seen as unfair discrimination against healthy individuals. Running laps on a track to reduce obesity is more of a punishment (and for some, a form of torture.) DDR is meant to be fun, and if some kids get it for free just for being overweight, kids are invariably going to see that as unfair.

If you make token/debit purchases are private you could avoid the social stigma.

I don't know how well you remember elementary school. Setting aside possible pre-existing social stigma, there is no such thing as "private" help from authority. Either the child has no friends, in which case the social stigma associated with the debit purchase is moot, or he will mention it to his friends, and it will invariably make its way to every child on the playground. In other words, investing in some sort of debit card system is just a waste of money that could go to getting more machines.

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[info]samsoneffect
2006-03-04 04:58 am UTC (link)
Well, the thing is, the machines have a 'Free Play' setting that can be used during the school PE classes, and then after that, the school can decide, since Konami DONATED $75000 worth of equipment to the school, to either let staff and students use it at will and leave it set to Free Play, or, perhaps, if we're dealing with a high school setting, then it could also be paid for in a weight room membership fee, and also left to Free Play. Or, you could have dedicated PE machines, and recreational machines that are for pay elsewhere in the school.

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[info]blitzfitness
2006-03-03 06:43 pm UTC (link)
Wow, you better contact these people. Those are some great ideas that I would love to see put in place.

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[info]acciocutie
2006-03-03 03:08 pm UTC (link)
My friend wanted to let you know:

"This guy linked to my articles at BlueAlien about the DDR… would you tell him to email me at Inform8n@bluealien.org and drop me a line. (He has anon comments turned off or I would.) I wanted to thank him! =)"

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[info]pope_guilty
2006-03-03 03:55 pm UTC (link)
...and then Osaki Kim arrived!

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[info]sorakirei
2006-03-03 05:36 pm UTC (link)
This is quite exciting. Maybe if there is a high enough demand for DDR machines, Konami will make more!

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[info]kurisu7885
2006-03-03 06:53 pm UTC (link)
I see two problems heres. One, if you don't charge for the machines, certain kids will hog it and keep others off, say, more popular or muslebound people pushing off ones they don't see as fit to even eb near the machine, but, if you do charge, that means the rich kids will hog it up either because they like the gaem or because they can spend the money and show off. SO unless plenty of machines were provided, it would still be a hassle. Hell, I remember goin to Gameworks in Auburn Hilles hoping to get on the DDR machines, never got a chance, though I did enjoy watching the pros go at it. SO, even if soem hog the machien, it could provide a social activity. hmm, amybesoem of the problems I mentioned would be offset, I dunno.

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Dang...
[info]x_vader_x
2006-03-03 09:11 pm UTC (link)
I just found out a middle school other kids went to a few years ago had DDR machines... I went to a crappy school were all video games were negative... I highly doubt my gym would get a DDR anyway becuase it gets in the ways of sport activities...

((Also where did you get the Spirited away/DDR pic?))

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Re: Dang...
[info]tytazzytiger
2006-03-03 10:29 pm UTC (link)
The SA pic is part of an Anime Music Video about DDR. Pretty good, actually. :D

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[info]kurisu7885
2006-03-03 10:55 pm UTC (link)
I get what you mean. Most schools seem to put way too much emphasis on sports and not enough on anything else. Like I remember two of my local high schools run a joint robotics team, and no one kenw about it up untill two yeatrs ago.

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[info]jaykaos
2006-03-03 11:47 pm UTC (link)
Ah, the joys of being in a "specialized science high school". I was one of something like 30 or 40 people in our robotics team, and most of the school knew about us :D.

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Welll...
[info]zippydsmlee
2006-03-06 08:00 pm UTC (link)
At elast tis better than useing video games as baby sitters and goes into the gmaes as porn rutine when lil jonhy is palying GTA and humping vitural hookers..lets not forget its the parnet that bought the game.........
Mmm if they could make soemthign with archery (long and short bow is are hard to pull and hold if you dont train alil it is exersice) or mabye virtual kendo Oooooo....*L* I dont do DDR >>

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