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Entry tags:china, gold farming, identity theft, lineage, nc soft, online war, south korea

Bush Administration Unconcerned Over Korean-Chinese Skirmish

A famous line uttered by the evil Vizzini in The Princess Bride holds that one should "Never get involved in a land war in Asia..." But what if said Asian land war is taking place online?

Joystiq reports that a border war of sorts has broken out between Chinese and South Korean players in the massively multiplayer online game Lineage. Actually, massacre might be the better word. Tired of apparent identity theft and ninja looting perpetrated by suspected Chinese "sweatshop" gaming companies, Korean Lineage devotees have been hunting down and killing Chinese players who show up on Korean servers.

It's no small problem. More than 220,000 South Koreans have reported to police that their identities have been stolen. A fair number of these are apparently being used by Chinese gold farming companies to create Lineage accounts. Sweatshop workers then play the fraudulent accounts incessantly, selling items they acquire for real-world cash through websites. The sweatshop workers' tireless quest for marketable items includes breaking the unwritten MMO rule of not looting another player's kill. Thus, frustrated Korean Lineage fans find the loot from monsters they worked so hard to take down scavenged by other players.

Apparently, Korean servers have been targeted because they have a higher population of real players. Conversely, more trade opportunites exist.

The solution?

Vigilante - pixelante? - gangs of Korean players are now patrolling servers, questioning players suspected of being in the employ of gold farming companies. According to one player, the test is simple: "You can tell they are Chinese because they can't speak Korean." Any non-Korean players found are slaughtered.

NCsoft, makers of Lineage, have stepped in on the side of the Korean players, banning select Chinese IPs from accessing the game. The company has taken this action primarily because it disapproves of item trading which it believes is an exclusively Chinese practice.

J: It's almost funny when the best use for identify theft is creating MMO accounts... Hopefully with the IP banning, the problem will diminish, although I doubt it will disappear altogether. There's also the problem of "mob justice." What if the player just didn't want to respond to all the messages spammed their way? I'll bet there's been a few Korean players who have gotten lynched by mistake.

-Jabrwock




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Who...
[info]tsknf
2006-02-25 04:38 pm UTC (link)
is the guy in the pic?

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Re: Who...
[info]bluewolfcv
2006-02-25 04:46 pm UTC (link)
Shame on thee! Watch Princess Bride and all will be revealed. It's a *good* movie, so it's not an onerous request.

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Re: Who... - [info]andrew_eisen, 2006-02-25 04:47 pm UTC
Re: Who... - [info]citizenkane86, 2006-02-25 06:56 pm UTC
Re: Who... - [info]phantompvp, 2006-02-25 09:33 pm UTC
Re: Who... - [info]artheleron, 2006-02-25 10:23 pm UTC
Re: Who... - [info]tollwutig, 2006-02-25 08:40 pm UTC
Re: Who... - [info]semperar, 2006-02-25 08:49 pm UTC
Re: Who... - [info]the1jeffy, 2006-02-27 02:32 pm UTC
Wish this could be done in all MMOs...
[info]duncan_922
2006-02-25 04:44 pm UTC (link)
I can understand where they are coming from. My current MMO is EVE Online. And in there, the problematic is from what we call "Macroers", who use third party programs to mine incessantly while they are away from the keyboard. These people stip the "safe zones" of the minerals, and small-time miners like myself can't get in on the action, or are pushed into the low security space where we risk getting killed by NPCs or ganked! Since the macroers are in safe zones, you can't kill them without repercussions, so it's a bad situation. Needless to say, this affects My Playing Experience.

I'm happy that the Lineage players where able to find a solution to their problems. Wish I could do the same

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Re: Wish this could be done in all MMOs...
[info]goodrobotus
2006-02-25 10:36 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, I'll agree that Macrominers are a problem, however, I will admit that the Admins of EvE seem to be far more active in doing something about it than many MMO's.

Your best bet is to try around the Serren area, not Serren itself, that's mined to heck, but theres a large cluster of 0.5 systems in the area, players cannot shoot you, and the rats can be a pain, but not deadly if you are careful, and sometimes drop some rather nice loot ;)

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It's like Darfur...
[info]startropics
2006-02-25 04:51 pm UTC (link)
...Except in this case, the ends justify the means.

BTW, the thing in Darfur sucks.

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[info]xenosphobatic
2006-02-25 04:58 pm UTC (link)
Which is one reason why I dispise MMORPG's.

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It only took five months
[info]andrew_eisen
2006-02-25 05:07 pm UTC (link)
Vigilante - pixelante? - gangs of Korean players are now patrolling servers, questioning players suspected of being in the employ of gold farming companies....Any non-Korean players found are slaughtered.

The idea of a “pixel vigilante” is finally valid. These Korean Lineage players are truly pixelantes. The word finally has a reasonable use.


Andrew Eisen

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Re: It only took five months
[info]semperar
2006-02-25 08:59 pm UTC (link)
Hey :(

I know you have a point in the literal sense, but actually recognizing and declaring Jack's nonsense word to be a legitimate insult against us is unecessarily empowering of it.

and it hurts my feelings :(


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Re: It only took five months - [info]yukimurasanada, 2006-02-25 10:57 pm UTC
Re: It only took five months - [info]beardoggx, 2006-02-25 11:23 pm UTC
Re: It only took five months - [info]yukimurasanada, 2006-02-25 11:46 pm UTC
Re: It only took five months - [info]andrew_eisen, 2006-02-26 08:33 am UTC

[info]kurisu7885
2006-02-25 05:32 pm UTC (link)
I had this sort fo same thing happen to me once on Runescape, except the Runescape admins act liek their free user base doesn't exist by not letting us complain to ANYONE at all if we get looted. All those hard earned items fro mwhen me and my fiance played together are all gone.

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The reason why they didn't get to you
[info]father_time89
2006-02-26 03:45 am UTC (link)
I play Runescape too and I'm a member. I heard that the reason they don't cater to f2p as much as they should (in terms of abuse), is because there are a lot of beggers who keep sending in false reports whenever they don't get what they want. They use all kinds of empty threats and sometimes sound like 3rd graders (or worse). I hope you get you can reobtain your items soon.

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Supporting... for now.
[info]nightwng2000
2006-02-25 05:52 pm UTC (link)
So long as no one in the real world is hunted down and harmed, I'm all for this.

I know things are getting weird in online gaming, what with the gold farms and selling virtual items for real cash and such. And having "community police" walking around and verifying identities seems like one good route for the players to take. Same with the company's support.

Just as long as no one goes out and hunts real people down, it sounds like a respectible idea. I do agree with J that some people are going to be misidentified and pay the price. Do I care if that happens? Yes. But until a better solution comes up, I'm afraid that's a harsh price to have to be paid. When better ideas come along, I'll support those ahead of this. But until then...

nightwng2000

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This sucks.
[info]thevelociraptor
2006-02-25 05:55 pm UTC (link)
Apperently, some Chinese have been scamming and Gold Farming and pissing off SK people. This is sorta like genocide/racism. SK could, and should, report them when the inccident happened. But, no, instead we have POed SK player brutally slaughting anyone who does not speak Korean. Idiotic AND n00bish.

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From what I read, they have, actually.
[info]jaimas
2006-02-25 09:07 pm UTC (link)
The Lineage sysops basically said it wasn't their problem.

I applaud the Koreans for showing initiative in both indirectly opposing sweatshops and to screw up the despicable practice the Chinese are using.

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Re: From what I read, they have, actually. - [info]l0que, 2006-02-25 10:32 pm UTC
Go Pixalantie's, Go!
[info]moriarty70
2006-02-25 05:56 pm UTC (link)
I sorrta find this thing funny. I understand the frustration and I pray this doesn't spill over into the real world. Just always remember it's just a game.

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Just a game....
[info]timed95
2006-02-25 06:06 pm UTC (link)
that is spilling over into real life in the form of slight economic advancement with the selling of virtual items.

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Re: Just a game.... - [info]moriarty70, 2006-02-25 08:13 pm UTC

[info]chicito21154
2006-02-25 06:17 pm UTC (link)
This is one of the downsides to MMOs, IGE.com.

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There's Only One Solution
[info]seifd
2006-02-25 06:18 pm UTC (link)
Lineage needs to have a U.N. peace keeping force. They'll sort this out.

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[info]unang_bangkay
2006-02-25 06:30 pm UTC (link)
Nick Yee's posted an interesting article on "racialized storylines" folks attach to this kind of activity, in this case Gold Farming and Chinese. It makes some dodgy analogies with mob lynchings of Chinese immigrants in the early century but it does make some interesting insights. It isn't a defense of Gold Farming but an examination of the kinds of stories attached to such and connections made with similar stories in history. Given the story on GP I think it's quite topical.

http://www.nickyee.com/daedalus/archives/001493.php?page=1

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wow
[info]kroninokiller
2006-02-26 06:24 am UTC (link)
I just read through that entire site, took me like a bit, lots of good stuff there.

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It's in the game.
[info]automancer
2006-02-25 06:56 pm UTC (link)
I would have to agree with the others that I find no problem with this as long as it stays within the confines of the game. As long as there is no harm to anybody in real life then this is acceptable.

-Auto

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I'd join in
[info]l0que
2006-02-25 07:11 pm UTC (link)
If WOW had this option, I'd sign up and play again, just to do it.I also played Lineage 2 as of a month ago, and the economy is devastated enough as it is from the rampant botting during the beta, and HOW long ago was that?

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Re: I'd join in
[info]chicito21154
2006-02-26 02:37 am UTC (link)
You do have the option:


Go to Legash Encampment, Azshara.

Get a CGF of the other faction to flag themself.

Have fun ;-) (easy to take down because a typical lvl 60 CGF can be seen wearing armor arfound lvl 37-51).

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Re: I'd join in - [info]arandmoor, 2006-03-08 09:36 pm UTC

[info]sakurakira
2006-02-25 07:35 pm UTC (link)
"I'll bet there's been a few Korean players who have gotten lynched by mistake."

As is usually the case when mob mentality is involved.

Good article though. And even though I know that S.Korean players can be rather fanatical, I find it interesting that so many of them would group together to police their servers in this way. I think that if these were American servers players would just be complaining about it on forum posts and such (as I noticed with the rampant Ragnarok Online bot problem).

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[info]l0que
2006-02-25 08:12 pm UTC (link)
Another difference is that in korean MMORPGS, PVP is handled alot differently, than in our American versions.

In Lineage, its open season on anyone, any time. Currently, I believe this is the only (main) MMORPG that does that here in America

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L2 is an A-Hole magnet... - [info]arandmoor, 2006-03-08 09:40 pm UTC
wow
[info]iceph03nix
2006-02-25 07:51 pm UTC (link)
Identy theft, sweatshops, and vigilantes. Just wow. I wonder if this is going to lead to syaings like "Buying Gold supports Identity fraud."

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[info]scazza
2006-02-25 09:13 pm UTC (link)
What did this have to do with BUSH?

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[info]howdoyouplead
2006-02-25 09:42 pm UTC (link)
Nothing... It's a joke.

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Ha!
[info]mathsucks2
2006-02-25 09:52 pm UTC (link)
Never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line!!

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Re: Ha!
[info]kittenseffy
2006-02-25 10:34 pm UTC (link)
Hahahaha! Ahahahaha! Aha-

:: Dies. ::

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Congrats to Jabrwock...
[info]kittenseffy
2006-02-25 10:36 pm UTC (link)
... for managing to find a reason to put a picture of Vizzini on the front page of GP.

Lol.

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[info]trooper6
2006-02-26 02:07 am UTC (link)
I would hate to be a Chinese gamer nowadays--especially if one isn't a gold farmer...if one just wants to play. In Lineage aparantly not speaking Korean is enough to get one killed. In WoW people won't group with folks who have Chinese sounding names.

The whole thing it really messed up.

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Sucks for Them
[info]gatz111085
2006-02-26 05:18 am UTC (link)
It sucks for them those people just trying to play should A. Get off korean servers, or B. Not play and go bitch at teh gold farming companies for ruining it for them.

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Not that screwed up... - [info]arandmoor, 2006-03-08 09:43 pm UTC
Re: Not that screwed up... - [info]trooper6, 2006-03-08 10:13 pm UTC
Re: Not that screwed up... - [info]arandmoor, 2006-03-08 10:26 pm UTC
Re: Not that screwed up... - [info]trooper6, 2006-03-08 11:13 pm UTC
Re: Not that screwed up... - [info]arandmoor, 2006-03-09 01:36 am UTC
Re: Not that screwed up... - [info]trooper6, 2006-03-09 01:53 am UTC
Re: Not that screwed up... - [info]arandmoor, 2006-03-09 10:48 am UTC
Lineage is being retarded.
[info]thevelociraptor
2006-02-26 02:32 am UTC (link)
MMo's like WoW and EQ2 are cracking down on Gold Farming BS. And Lineage says it is not their problem? The is Horsecrap and they know it. Sooner or later the Chinese will get pissed and all we will see is rasicst names and SK/Chinese body parts/

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[info]turbinerocks
2006-02-26 02:49 am UTC (link)
Fascinating stuff. I've never gotten into MMO games, everyone I've talked to who plays them describes something akin to working, with schedules and responsibilites.

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[info]jeremykpierce
2006-02-26 03:25 am UTC (link)
Working at Starbucks doesn't get you shiny armor or the ability to take down wyrms, though. But yeah, to make something of yourself (in the ones worth playing), you've got to earn it.

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(no subject) - [info]turbinerocks, 2006-02-26 03:54 am UTC
The Guy in the pic...
[info]jerico6
2006-02-26 03:04 am UTC (link)
Was in a great movie called "My Dinner with Andre". What is it about? It's basically about two guys having a conversation over dinner at a restaurant. Vigilante - pixelante? - gangs of Korean players are now patrolling servers, questioning players suspected of being in the employ of gold farming companies. According to one player, the test is simple: "You can tell they are Chinese because they can't speak Korean." Any non-Korean players found are slaughtered. My Gamespot union, The Intelligent Pixelante Union, finally can truly be proud of it's name.

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Re: The Guy in the pic...
[info]turbinerocks
2006-02-26 03:55 am UTC (link)
Remember Martin from the Simpsons playing the My Dinner With Andre arcade game? :D

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Re: The Guy in the pic... - [info]father_time89, 2006-02-26 03:56 am UTC
Why not . . .
[info]father_time89
2006-02-26 03:39 am UTC (link)
I know nothing of Lineage, but why not the gold farming sweatshops just make their own accounts instead of stealing? In the MMORPG I play it legal to have multiple accounts but it is illegal to sell items for real world stuff (although I doubt the chinese would care about that rule).

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Why not also . . .
[info]father_time89
2006-02-26 03:55 am UTC (link)
Maybe they can adopt the Runescape way of obtaining items from monsters. When someone kills a monster they are the only ones who can see or pick up the loot they dropped unless they leave it on the ground for a minute or two, then anyone can get it. If however more than one person helped kill the monster, then whoever did the most damage gets to pick up the weapons before the minute countdown finishes (but if the person who did the most damage died before the monster was killed I don't know what would happen).

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Re: Why not also . . . - [info]phoenixzero, 2006-02-26 10:43 am UTC
Re: Why not . . . - [info]arandmoor, 2006-03-08 09:47 pm UTC
Where's The Problem?
[info]gatz111085
2006-02-26 05:16 am UTC (link)
I don't see a big problem with the koreans pushing them off the server. Look at this, so they are tired of getting thier creditcard shit stolen, killing off all the chinese may not stop that as much, but killing off all thier characters keeping them from doing any progress will stop the supply of accounts that they can sell. I doubt you'll see any violence between the 2 being that something is buffering them, that being North Korea. I don't think military will get involved just gamers and the only way they could physically cause problems for chinese is if they could easly get to China without the use of a boat.

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