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"Nut Case" Killer with GTA Link On Trial This Week

Demarcus Ralls called himself a "nut case." The 21-year-old man belonged to a small but vicious Oakland street gang that went by that name as well.

As reported by today's San Francisco Chronicle, Ralls is on trial for his life this week, charged in a string of murders and robberies that plagued Oakland over a 10-week period of 2002 and 2003.

"This small gang of thugs drove up Oakland's violent crime rate by themselves," said Mayor Jerry Brown. "These arrests probably saved some lives and made Oakland a much safer place."

Ralls, who turned 18 during the crime spree, has confessed to five killings and 23 robberies. He told police he and other Nut Case members would spend their days taking drugs and playing Grand Theft Auto III. When they became bored with the game they would act out what they'd played in real life.

An Alameda County Superior Court Judge Jeffrey Horner has issued a gag order in the Ralls trial. But the Chronicle reports that case files show the Nut Case crimes were committed for thrills and bragging rights.




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First post and dennis i apoligize in advance for what i am about to say
[info]hilaryduffgta
2006-02-06 02:41 pm UTC (link)
"Ralls, who turned 18 during the crime spree, has confessed to five killings and 23 robberies. He told police he and other Nut Case members would spend their days taking drugs and playing Grand Theft Auto III. When they became bored with the game they would act out what they'd played in real life"

Bullshit These Fucking Morons Knew what the fuck they were doing and are now using this whole "duh video games made me do it so duh i am innocent" Crap.Take Fucking responsiblty For Your God Damn actions and dont hide behind a scapegoat because now your scared that your ass is gonna go to Prison.Personally i say To hell with even giving them a trial and just take them out back somewhere and fill each and every one of those ignorant scumbags will a few dozen bullets.

I dont buy this "video games and gta will train you to kill anyone" Bullshit Kinda amazing that i have been playing gta since gta 3 and i started playing that when i was 21 years old (great way to vent when you Have a neighbor downstairs who blasts oingo Boingo (however the hell u spell it) at 5 o clock in the damn morning then screaming "my husband was responsible for the challenger incident" (i have no clue) Its kinda strange after 4 years now of 3 Gta games and probably well over 200,000 to 300,000 kills combined in each and every file i have ever played.Yet i've never gone out and Beaten up on Gays or old people or just went and started shooting people.Why because i have the commen sense to know its not only a dumbass thing to do but my ass will be thrown in a prison and i really dont want to be there not to mention im pretty much a wuss (Though i will defend myself if i need to and there have been times that i have)

It crap like this that i could get offended about being labeled as a "racist Violent killer" but you cant really get mad at people who are beyond ignorant.Hopefully Ralls gets what he deserves in prison and he Deserves just about anything that gets done to him (i have no compassion for people who kill just for the fun of killing)

Im sure jack will jump all over this and if he does then please explain jack how i have yet to actully "act out" any of these "murder simulators" i play.oh and gta is just about my favorite game along with any Role Playing Game.Just so you dont think im mainly "addicted" To Gta its just a video game like any other video game

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Re: First post and dennis i apoligize in advance for what i am about to say
[info]jdllama
2006-02-06 02:46 pm UTC (link)
I'm surprised this thread is staying quiet.

Here's a question for those who are handling the trial (not like they can read this, but, eh.)

If they weren't intentionally taking drugs, especially of the hallucinatory type, would they still try to enact GTA?

I can't help but think of the commercials here in the US that show teenagers that have gotten high, then their friends have dared them to do outrageous things, and they end up getting hurt over it. The kid sticking his fist in his mouth, the one where they try to outrun the guard dog...

In those cases, is it the drugs fault, or the actions themselves which are to blame?

Yeah, that's worded badly, but hopefully the thought makes it through.

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Re: First post and dennis i apoligize in advance for what i am about to say - [info]angry_man, 2006-02-06 02:48 pm UTC
Re: First post and dennis i apoligize in advance for what i am about to say - [info]jdllama, 2006-02-06 02:50 pm UTC
Re: First post and dennis i apoligize in advance for what i am about to say - [info]psyco_chick32, 2006-02-06 05:35 pm UTC
Re: First post and dennis i apoligize in advance for what i am about to say - [info]nightwng2000, 2006-02-06 06:28 pm UTC
Re: First post and dennis i apoligize in advance for what i am about to say
[info]illspirit
2006-02-06 03:50 pm UTC (link)
Bullshit These Fucking Morons Knew what the fuck they were doing and are now using this whole "duh video games made me do it so duh i am innocent" Crap.

Well, you can thank Mr. Thompson for all his work in trying to make this excuse so attractive to criminals. Perhaps one of these days someone will sue him for essentially telling people it's perfectly fine for them to kill people as long as they blame it on a game...

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[info]angry_man
2006-02-06 02:47 pm UTC (link)
Like I have always said, correlation does not imply causation. Did video games cause and teach them how to kill, as JT would say?

No.

That they played GTA and got that kind of thrill out of it only shows that the tendency was there waiting, and that the playing of the video game was only correlated to their own tendencies.

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Re: how can GTA 3 be blamed...
[info]beardoggx
2006-02-06 03:05 pm UTC (link)
GTA 3 came out in 2001. San Andreas came out in 2004.

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Re: how can GTA 3 be blamed... - [info]dutch_gamer, 2006-02-06 03:25 pm UTC
Re: how can GTA 3 be blamed... - [info]jabrwock, 2006-02-06 03:41 pm UTC
FUN FACT - [info]mechagelly, 2006-02-06 03:58 pm UTC
Re: FUN FACT - [info]jabrwock, 2006-02-06 04:04 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mechagelly, 2006-02-06 11:15 pm UTC
On Topic, but different story
[info]rich_d7
2006-02-06 03:39 pm UTC (link)
Just seen this here: http://www.mediawatchuk.org/newssnippets/February2006.htm

(a classy website that calls for everything media wise to be outlawed).

The piece is about a 13 year old that shot his cousin, after playing GTA San Andreas. The small piece reads:

"A boy of 13 blasted his cousin in the face with a shotgun after playing a violent computer game, a court has heard. The teenager claims he waved the 12-bore weapon at the boy as a prank to ‘scare him’ before ‘accidentally’ pulling the trigger. But a youth court was told he must have acted deliberately because he would have had to take off the safety catch. The court heard how the two boys and a friend had been playing controversial Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas on a Playstation 2 after the defendant’s mother hired it from a video store. The game features ‘gangsters and guns’ and ‘running around nicking cars and shooting people’, said Miss Eley, Prosecutor. Asked how much he enjoyed the computer game … he said: ‘They’ve got, like, guns and chainsaws and knives. Stuff like that. You can run people over.’"

Once again another case of switching the blame. No one's even remotely bothered about how a 13 year old got hold of a shotgun! Or the fact his mother gave him (and she freely admits it) an 18 rated game.

Really astounds me the lack of intelligence being shown by some people these days, be they parents or lawyers!

I mean come on, the story should read "mother gives child violent media and shotgun - dumb ass bitch is shocked by outcome!"

Rich


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Re: On Topic, but different story
[info]jabrwock
2006-02-06 03:45 pm UTC (link)
I believe the shotgun was his father's, and was locked away. Somehow he got it unlocked, loaded it with what he supposedly thought were blanks, and waved it around to show it off. There's debate over whether he pulled the trigger on purpose, although the prosecution contends the safety is stiff and the trigger has to be pulled hard to set it off...

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Re: On Topic, but different story - [info]rich_d7, 2006-02-06 03:51 pm UTC
Re: On Topic, but different story - [info]jabrwock, 2006-02-06 04:00 pm UTC
Re: On Topic, but different story - [info]jesdk, 2006-02-07 05:09 am UTC

[info]galin
2006-02-06 03:52 pm UTC (link)
"When they became bored with the game they would act out what they'd played in real life."

That's an interesting take on the 'video games made me do it' thing. If GTAIII was a better, more engaging game then this wouldn't have happened... [of course, only if you take that quote out of context like I did]

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[info]aniki21
2006-02-06 05:06 pm UTC (link)
They only became "bored with the game" after doing copious amounts of presumably illicit substances.

These boys were never the sharpest tools in the shed, I'd wager.

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Fry em....
[info]tollwutig
2006-02-06 04:03 pm UTC (link)
If they are that messed up society needs to remove them.. simple as that, we should quit wasting tax dollars because bad parenting gave us screwed up kids.

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[info]jindewinter
2006-02-06 04:16 pm UTC (link)
"When they became bored with the game they would act out what they'd played in real life."

Bullshit! They are gang bangers, the whole "Video games made me do it" shit doesn't even apply to these scum. They are just trying to find a way to get the blame off them and onto something else. I hope the Judge and Jury in this case are smart enough not to but their crap defense and see them for what they are, gangbangers who are lower than scum who took the lives of other because they were bored. And weren't you in GTA III a mafia lacky turned crime boss, and not a banger like in GTA:SA?

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[info]pyrrhus9588
2006-02-07 01:07 am UTC (link)
And weren't you in GTA III a mafia lacky turned crime boss, and not a banger like in GTA:SA?

I believe you are thinking of Tommy Vercetti from GTAVC, GTAIII's protagonist never becomes a crime boss. He is a small-time thug on a quest for vengeance after being betrayed and left for dead during a bank heist.

Along the way he works for every criminal organisation in Liberty City (with the exception of the Columbian Cartel).

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Huh?
[info]hilaryduffgta
2006-02-06 04:24 pm UTC (link)
"The court heard how the two boys and a friend had been playing controversial Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas on a Playstation 2 after the defendant’s mother hired it from a video store"


How in the fuck do you "hire" a game.seriously what type of weed are these people smoking?

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Re: Huh?
[info]jabrwock
2006-02-06 04:28 pm UTC (link)
How in the fuck do you "hire" a game.seriously what type of weed are these people smoking?

It's from England. It's like smoking a "fag", or reporting a crime to the "bobbies"... Instead of "renting" a game you "hire" it.

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Re: Huh? - [info]nightwng2000, 2006-02-06 06:30 pm UTC
Re: Huh?
[info]timbickley
2006-02-06 04:30 pm UTC (link)
um...you go to a rental shop and you hire it O_o

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Re: Huh? - [info]hilaryduffgta, 2006-02-06 04:32 pm UTC
Re: Huh? - [info]timbickley, 2006-02-06 04:34 pm UTC
Can I bum a fag? - [info]jabrwock, 2006-02-06 04:41 pm UTC
Re: Can I bum a fag? - [info]hilaryduffgta, 2006-02-06 04:44 pm UTC
Re: Huh?
[info]illspirit
2006-02-06 04:36 pm UTC (link)
How do you hire a game? Easy. Hire and rent are interchangeable verbs in the UK. ;)

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Re: Huh? - [info]timbickley, 2006-02-06 04:40 pm UTC
Re: Huh? - [info]jabrwock, 2006-02-06 04:42 pm UTC
Re: Huh? - [info]timbickley, 2006-02-06 04:45 pm UTC
Re: Huh? - [info]rich_d7, 2006-02-06 04:54 pm UTC
Re: Huh? - [info]illspirit, 2006-02-06 06:24 pm UTC
Re: Huh? - [info]jabrwock, 2006-02-06 07:02 pm UTC

[info]silver_derstin
2006-02-06 04:40 pm UTC (link)
That's clearly an attempt to get the blame shifted to something else for lower sentences... Of course, being high on dope didn't change anything to their perception, did it?

Gangers should at least know that if caught for crimes, you don't shift the blame. The Mafia learned that a while back...

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[info]aniki21
2006-02-06 05:10 pm UTC (link)
I'm sure these guys' lawyers are ecstatic every time they get some gang killer a reduced sentence (and themselves a fatter paycheck) because their client's poor fragile mind was warped by an evil videogame.

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Waiting for the next part of the story ...
[info]verbinator
2006-02-06 07:05 pm UTC (link)
... when the lawyers trying to get the thugs off the hook with the games made me do it defense turn around and sue Take Two, Sony and whichever deep pocket retailers they can find on behalf of the murder victims.

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[info]phrawzty
2006-02-06 07:59 pm UTC (link)
Why is it that only (United States of) American miscreants are being driven to crime as a result of video games? Surely, people play video games elsewhere on the planet.

And yes, i realise that the sensationalist media tried to blame the recent street-racing death in Toronto on video games - rational Canadian media downplayed that aspect entirely. :P

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I wish...
[info]mnementh2230
2006-02-06 09:34 pm UTC (link)
that (United States of) American media was "rational"

Clearly it's something in the beer. We need Canadian beer here in the 'states anyway! SOMETHING THAT ISN'T YELLOW WATER!

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Re: I wish... - [info]jabrwock, 2006-02-07 01:36 am UTC
Re: I wish... - [info]monkey_style, 2006-02-07 02:37 am UTC
Re: I wish... - [info]silver_derstin, 2006-02-07 03:21 am UTC
Re: I wish... - [info]monkey_style, 2006-02-07 07:08 am UTC
I wonder
[info]mrflibble
2006-02-06 08:39 pm UTC (link)
Who on the games politics is from Oakland? Not that there is something far more special about the city compared to others in terms of crime. Almost any major or medium city that tends to have a big difference in residential areas, big separation between well off and poor. Which I believe has at least a little something to do with this.

In my own case, I've lived there most of my life(until college). I've also been mugged before and I have seen similar mind sets from kids(though they were younger then these folks) through just my school experience. Trust me, most violent groups of kids DO NOT need a video game to encourage their violence. They do enough of it as it is.

The way I see it, this more has to do with the encouragement of the criminal element at a younger age then anything to do with what they say "presently" influenced them. They were unstable enough in the first place. So, should the blame be placed upon those who failed to teach right and wrong? Or the unintentional catalyst that "may" have encouraged them to such actions.

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[info]finaleve
2006-02-06 08:50 pm UTC (link)
whats that? part of the media reported that it wasnt based on video games? Awesome people with a little brain on their end. I applaud you!

The people, who were eligible to purchase the game and were doing drugs and were part of a gang, shouldnt be getting life at this point, but thats my opinion there.

From a normal standpoint, at least its being taken care of.

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[info]braindead1
2006-02-07 06:35 am UTC (link)
“So you where on drugs?”

“Yes”

“Lots and lots of Drugs”

“Yes...oh and some booze”

“Then you went out after sitting around and playing some games and taking inordinate amounts of drugs, then killed four people”

“Five”

“What?”

“Five people”

:”Five people?”

“I killed FIVE people. Not four, dumb ass”

“My mistake”

“Its no biggy”

“So you killed five people and committed forty three robbery's”

“Twenty”

“What?

“I committed TWENTY three robbery's, not FORTY three robbery's”

“once again, i apologize... so in the end what do you think made you do it?”

“Well i was pretty high at the time”

“So the game's made you do it...aha! Right from the killers own mouth”

“No err... i did it cause i was high and on drugs, and it seemed like a good idea at the time...”

“As you can see, your honer we MUST BAN GAMES AT ONCE!”

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[info]liveordie2
2006-02-07 10:45 am UTC (link)
I played GTA3 and San andreas. But it never lead me into bringing virtual violence to real life. People must be held responsible for their own actions. Blaming violent video games is a stupid excuse.

Again, I played violent video games over and over, but I never think of killing someone, even my friends. There are exceptions like Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold(Columbine killers) who doesnt know the difference between Virtual reality and real reality, but violent video games are not to be blamed for the ignorance like Eric and Dylan.

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