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Texas Guv Candidate Proposes Violent Game Tax

Will violent video games join cigarettes and liquor among the ranks of consumer products subject to a vice tax?

The Amarillo Globe News is reporting that Republican gubernatorial candidate Star Locke wants to scrap Texas' current property tax system. Instead, Locke would institute new taxes on abortion providers, soft drinks, and violent video games to fund the state's government.

Locke, a rancher and builder from Corpus Christi, favors a 50% tax on violent games, as well as a $10,000 tax per abortion and a 10% levy on sweetened soft drinks.

"One of my legislative proposals is to do away with property taxes statewide," Locke said. "I take the position that the Founding Fathers took: that the power to tax is the power to destroy. So our concept is that we need to tax things we don't want and you want to not tax things that you want to encourage."

How would Locke determine which games would be taxed?

The candidate told the Globe News he would create a 10-member panel to determine which games are violent. Taxes would then be levied against game publishers. The same board would also decide whether video game ads portrayed violence.

"Once it's reviewed, the tax would be levied swiftly."

Locke faces a March primary against incumbent Gov. Rick Perry and two others.




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Hooray for Fundamentalism
[info]sonofsanta
2006-01-24 12:47 pm UTC (link)
This guy scares me. $10,000 tax on abortions? Does he really feel the need to impose his values that strongly? "Live and let live" is definitely an underheard phrase these days.

Such a strong tax on abortion gives me the impression that this guy is one of the conservative fundamentalists running amok in the States at the moment, and given the subjectivity involved in something like video game violence (you can bet your ass the ten people will be hand-picked by him) I'd say a lot of games would end up with this whopping 50% tax.


Also, correct me if I'm wrong here (not American, don't know the history), but did the Founding Fathers really take the position that they wanted to destroy things? Land of the Free, huh...

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Re: Hooray for Fundamentalism
[info]blitzfitness
2006-01-24 12:54 pm UTC (link)
"you can bet your ass the ten people will be hand-picked by him"


hmmm, that makes me feel even worse about it now since I didn't think of that.

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Re: Hooray for Fundamentalism - [info]sqlrob, 2006-01-24 01:36 pm UTC
Re: Hooray for Fundamentalism - [info]tollwutig, 2006-01-24 02:14 pm UTC
Re: Hooray for Fundamentalism - [info]longtimelurker, 2006-01-24 05:54 pm UTC
Re: Hooray for Fundamentalism - [info]wedgetalon, 2006-01-24 10:57 pm UTC
Re: Hooray for Fundamentalism - [info]murdercrow, 2006-01-25 01:27 am UTC
Re: Hooray for Fundamentalism - [info]sonofsanta, 2006-01-25 09:25 am UTC
Re: Hooray for Fundamentalism - [info]jugulum, 2006-01-25 05:31 pm UTC
Re: Hooray for Fundamentalism - [info]murdercrow, 2006-01-25 07:19 pm UTC
Re: Hooray for Fundamentalism - [info]jugulum, 2006-01-25 07:32 pm UTC
Re: Hooray for Fundamentalism - [info]sonofsanta, 2006-01-26 09:52 am UTC
I KNOW THIS IDIOT!
[info]yukimurasanada
2006-01-24 12:48 pm UTC (link)
How the fuck this waste of DNA got where he is will forever be a mystery. Having been born and raised in Texas, I konw this man well, hell, I know most of the big players in some way, though he's one I know from my families connection to our local rep, but anyway, he's an imbecile, not just on this subject, but on almost anything. he's stuck in the 50's and fears anything he doesn't understand, Like JT.

Anyway, he's facing Perry, which is pretty much pointless. Perry has been almost impossible to beat in texas, though you'd be hard pressed to explain to me why. Perry's not a bad guy, but he's racial in his views and it's one of the key reasons the border areas of texas went to hell.

Either way, I still pick Perry over this guy.

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Re: I KNOW THIS IDIOT!
[info]al_wesker
2006-01-24 08:28 pm UTC (link)
Oh, jeez, I'm Texan too... ::points finger at Locke:: I'M NOT WITH HIM! PROUD TO BE A TEXAN, BUT NOT PROUD ME AN' HIM COME FROM THE SAME STATE!

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Re: I KNOW THIS IDIOT! - [info]otakuman, 2006-01-24 08:29 pm UTC
This is a long oen
[info]blitzfitness
2006-01-24 12:53 pm UTC (link)
Okay, first off, I know a lot of people are going to hate this guy, but I have to take a step back and say althoug I disagree with him, this is the first politician that sounds to me like he's fighting for what he believes in.

That said, I think he's going way overboard. Fifty percent should be next to illegal, especially since videogames, violent or otherwise, have yet to be declared independent of things like first amendment rights. The abortion tax is extreme as well, especially since (and I may be wrong here) I imagine that most abortions are happening among poorer populations. I definitely don't consider myself to be poor (although very broke) and there is no way I could cough up the money for the tax, let alone any other cost of abortion.

I do have a third thought however. I used to live in Texas, so things may have changed since, but Texas is a great/affordable state to live in. They used to not have a state tax, etc. I wonder how many people are willing to support his ideas since it also involves negating property taxes. I can imagine a lot of people saying to themselves "I own a home, have/want kids, and I don't play games, hell yea sign me up!" Then again, this is all moot if anyone realizes if this is illegal right off the bat or not.

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Re: This is a long oen
[info]dkh
2006-01-25 12:59 am UTC (link)
Actually... I'm pretty sure the sin taxes on cigarettes are higher than 50%... But I could be wrong. Anyways, fortunately he's not saying violent games CAUSE violent actions, he's just saying they should have a sin tax.... I disagree, but his opinion is his own.

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Another Jack...
[info]mr_putter
2006-01-24 12:58 pm UTC (link)
...who thinks he can obliterate games with some fiendishly clever scheme
We all can watch him fail spectacularly.
This is gonna be good, heh heh...

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[info]ianc14
2006-01-24 01:04 pm UTC (link)
$10,000 per abortion?


WTF?

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[info]howdoyouplead
2006-01-24 07:21 pm UTC (link)
I guess he thinks we need more poverty.

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[info]sainttweeter
2006-01-24 01:06 pm UTC (link)
LMAO, this guy just ruined his campaign...

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[info]longtimelurker
2006-01-24 01:15 pm UTC (link)
Not really if he gets the people he thinks comprise the majority of texas. Property taxes guess what are taxes on the rich who can afford the tax. Poor people aren't much affected by property taxes at all and usually what they pay they can afford to do.

The ten thousand tax on abortions will just drive off the middle class and poor to illegal means to do a medically induced miscarriage which is what people call abortion. A naturally occuring miscarriage is a an abortion a natural abortion.

Also the legal status of such a tax will be easily contested in court since it makes no allowance for life of the mother. Also the fetus is dead these anti-abortion idiots would protest the abortion. Pro-life my ass these yahoos don't care about life whatsoever. They never would adopt blacks or crack addict babies.

Abortion was legal in the time of the founding fathers. It was legal till the late 19th century. All Roe v Wade did was make it legal again and several states had already made it so. The founding fathers hated taxation without representation. They wanted taxes to be logical. The rich and corporations should be the ones being taxed. Tax breaks just make the rich get richer and the poor and middle class get poorer as a result. They do incredible damage to a nation's ecomony. Tax breaks are for those who cannot afford to be taxed such as the poor and middle class who are struggling to get by.



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I don't want to argue with you,...but... - [info]blitzfitness, 2006-01-24 01:54 pm UTC
Roe vs. Wade didn't legalize abortion ... it took away states rights in the matter - [info]verbinator, 2006-01-24 02:10 pm UTC
Re: Roe vs. Wade didn't legalize abortion ... it took away states rights in the matter - [info]longtimelurker, 2006-01-24 03:03 pm UTC
Re: Roe vs. Wade didn't legalize abortion ... it took away states rights in the matter - [info]tollwutig, 2006-01-24 03:04 pm UTC
legislating from the bench - [info]jabrwock, 2006-01-24 04:36 pm UTC

[info]laurean
2006-01-24 01:07 pm UTC (link)
You have GOT to be kidding me?!

Has this guy heard of freedom of choice?? But putting that debate aside..>TAXING violent videogames?! What the heck? What about people OF age who can BUY videogames...this is just going to hurt survival horror videogame profits even moreso..and would decrease the number of games brought to the US.

10% levy on sweetened soft drinks? *rolls eyes* Please tell me people aren't taken this guy seriously..PLEASE>

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[info]bakaken
2006-01-24 03:34 pm UTC (link)
To be fair, I think his aim in the legislation is to hurt videogame profits and thus decrease the amount of them. Or decrease the amount of them bought when companies raise the prices in response to the tax.

Honestly, I think his $10,000 tax on abortion is far more worrying than the video game tax.

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(no subject) - [info]laurean, 2006-01-25 08:36 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]silver_derstin, 2006-01-24 04:38 pm UTC
Sin taxes - [info]dog_welder, 2006-01-24 05:49 pm UTC
Don't worry... - [info]froggersrevenge, 2006-01-26 05:05 am UTC
Most Ridiculous Thing I've Heard
[info]enmitywithin
2006-01-24 01:09 pm UTC (link)
and I just woke up too.

This is complete bullshit (there's no other word for it). Because I can guarantee that this "hand picked panel" is going to be made of people who would consider the sly cooper series violent.

It's really sad to see people trying to take advantage of an industry that is already being overabused(by people like jack thompson and sen. clinton)

I'll bet you anything this guy is only in it for personal reasons too, being a rancher and builder, selfish pig.

and even if there was tax on games, 50% is bullshit. games cost enough new as it is. However the thing that's gonna kill this, is the 10 grand abortion tax, pro choice groups are going to mob and fubar this proposal.


Sorry for the profanity.

Benjamin McDowell
Freelance artist
Head PS2 Reviewer for Defied Dreams
http://www.defieddreams.net
Enmity.Within@gmail.com

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Actually...
[info]dog_welder
2006-01-24 01:09 pm UTC (link)
If you look up this guy's views he's kind of a nut, not just on this issue but on plenty of others. Insane people usually don't get elected in America.

Also he's going up against an incumbent in a primary. His chances of making the actual ballot are slim and none.

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Re: Actually...
[info]zero_beat_x
2006-01-24 01:16 pm UTC (link)
His chances of making the actual ballot are slim and none.

I have a feeling that slim is out of town.

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Re: Actually... - [info]longtimelurker, 2006-01-24 01:27 pm UTC
Re: Actually... - [info]dog_welder, 2006-01-24 05:53 pm UTC
Re: Actually... - [info]longtimelurker, 2006-01-24 05:58 pm UTC
Re: Actually... - [info]dog_welder, 2006-01-24 11:47 pm UTC
Re: Actually... - [info]silver_derstin, 2006-01-24 04:39 pm UTC
Re: Actually... - [info]cowboybeboper42, 2006-01-24 06:46 pm UTC
Re: Actually... - [info]aresef, 2006-01-24 08:43 pm UTC

[info]markusdragon
2006-01-24 01:36 pm UTC (link)
Bypassing the first amendment through taxes. It's a concept, but not one that's likely to be popular.

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[info]otaku_cat
2006-01-24 01:43 pm UTC (link)
Won't make it off the floor. If you tax violent games in just Texas, publishers and retailers simply won't sell them there. But if you want to kneecap the local economy for no apparent reason, well, by all means.

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[info]squirrelofwrath
2006-01-24 03:12 pm UTC (link)
either that, or they'll resort to digital distribution/online sales.

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(no subject) - [info]xenosphobatic, 2006-01-24 04:37 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]xenosphobatic, 2006-01-24 04:40 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]brainswarm, 2006-01-25 07:03 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]xenosphobatic, 2006-01-25 08:22 am UTC
....O_O
[info]indystarx
2006-01-24 01:54 pm UTC (link)
"10% levy on sweetened soft drinks"

People have to pay 10% extra for soft drinks? Ok, this is why I don't live in Texas.....cause Texas'canidates are obviously notjobs

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Re: ....O_O
[info]blitzfitness
2006-01-24 01:59 pm UTC (link)
I can't believe he used the term 'soft drinks'. I live near Chicago and we say 'pop', but I also lived in between Dallas and Fort Worth and those terms were replaced with the generic 'coke'. He shouldn't be voted for since he's obviously not Texan if he can't get that right. What's next? Will we be able to discern the difference between pin and pen when he says them? Blasphemy!

*Not meant to offend any with that accent. I remind you I come from Chicago, and there's plenty of things we're guilty of too.

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Re: ....O_O - [info]xenosphobatic, 2006-01-24 04:41 pm UTC
Re: ....O_O - [info]rhanlav, 2006-01-24 02:44 pm UTC
Re: ....O_O - [info]brucenstein, 2006-01-24 03:10 pm UTC
Re: ....O_O - [info]psyco_chick32, 2006-01-24 07:23 pm UTC
Re: ....O_O - [info]indystarx, 2006-01-24 08:36 pm UTC
Re: ....O_O - [info]xenosphobatic, 2006-01-25 08:25 am UTC
Re: ....O_O - [info]rhanlav, 2006-01-25 12:44 pm UTC
I would say that this moron guaranteed his defeat....
[info]beardoggx
2006-01-24 02:06 pm UTC (link)
....but after consulting Wikipedia, it seems that this fool had no chance of winning to begin with, as this douche nozzle is considered to be token opposition. Rick Perry is pretty much guaranteed the Republican nomination, as almost every Republican in Texas has endorsed Perry, and his main Republican opponent, Carolyn Strayhorn, dropped out the primary to run as an independent. And right now, based on the current polls, it's Perry's election to lose.

This retarded idiot is nothing more than a kook on the fringe putting on a show so he can gain votes despite his infinitestimal chances of winning because no one had heard of him before he opened his mouth about "violent" games.

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Re: I would say that this moron guaranteed his defeat....
[info]mnementh2230
2006-01-24 02:47 pm UTC (link)
Glad to hear it - thanks for the info!

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Re: I would say that this moron guaranteed his defeat.... - [info]tweek_20k, 2006-01-24 06:05 pm UTC
3 steps to securing the right-wing vote
[info]shatterjack
2006-01-24 02:08 pm UTC (link)
1. Impose insanely high tax for abortions

2. Watch thousands of women go to neighboring states and black-market doctors to get abortions

3. Claim credit for driving down abortion rate without actually doing it

4. ???*

5. Profit!*

* - optional steps for Slashdot readers

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Re: 3 steps to securing the right-wing vote
[info]healer1422
2006-01-24 02:57 pm UTC (link)
3. Claim credit for driving down abortion rate without actually doing it


while at the same time neglecting to mention inadvertantly driving down the population slightly...

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Re: 3 steps to securing the right-wing vote - [info]brucenstein, 2006-01-24 03:11 pm UTC
Re: 3 steps to securing the right-wing vote - [info]xenosphobatic, 2006-01-24 04:42 pm UTC
Whiskey tango foxtrot?
[info]nickymccloud
2006-01-24 02:11 pm UTC (link)
I would love to see the wording on his proposed abortion law, because if it doesn't have a clause in there allowing for medically sound reasons to have an abortion (e.g., an ectopic pregnancy) or for spontaneous abortions (miscarriages), I'm going to laugh as the medical and pre-natal communities rally for his impeachment.

And a fify percent tax on violent video games? I don't see a fifty percent tax on violent movies or porn. Why do a bunch of fundamentalist old men have to target video games? "OH NOE, SOMETHING DIFFERENT!"

Ugh, and one of my best friends is moving to Texas, too. e.e;

Let's all just hope that the people of Texas have the damned sense not to vote this yahoo in.

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Re: Whiskey tango foxtrot?
[info]beardoggx
2006-01-24 02:18 pm UTC (link)
Like I found out, this fringe kook has no chance of winning the Republican primary. Rick Perry has the support of just about every Republican in Texas(not inculding President Bush, though he's expected to endorse Perry).

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Re: Whiskey tango foxtrot? - [info]nickymccloud, 2006-01-24 02:20 pm UTC
Re: Whiskey tango foxtrot? - [info]xenosphobatic, 2006-01-24 04:43 pm UTC
Anybody?
[info]sense7
2006-01-24 02:19 pm UTC (link)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think Sin Taxes usually make it very far in actual legislation.

You see, lots of people claim to fight "sin." However, when you have to pay taxes for it, the same people realize that they also "sin" and would rather keep their money.

'effin hypocrites.

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Re: Actually...
[info]dog_welder
2006-01-24 06:00 pm UTC (link)
Apart from gasoline, tobacco and alchohol are the highest taxed items in the United States. A few states (Maine is among them) actually have "snack taxes" on "sin" foods. Doritos and Mountain Dew are taxed in these places. Additionally, gambling revenues (in states where this is allowed) are heavily taxed.

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Re: Actually... - [info]sense7, 2006-01-24 06:54 pm UTC
Re: Actually... - [info]psyco_chick32, 2006-01-24 07:26 pm UTC
Re: Actually... - [info]dog_welder, 2006-01-24 11:57 pm UTC

[info]mybloodyzombie
2006-01-24 02:40 pm UTC (link)
and this, ladies and gentlemen, is why you should Vote for Kinky Friedman.

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[info]nowherecaitsy
2006-01-24 04:58 pm UTC (link)
I was totally just about to post that. Go Kinky.

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(no subject) - [info]mybloodyzombie, 2006-01-24 06:13 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]murdercrow, 2006-01-25 01:40 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mybloodyzombie, 2006-01-25 04:36 am UTC
Why this will fail...
[info]tollwutig
2006-01-24 02:41 pm UTC (link)
OK anyone with half a brain can figure this one out, and I hope there are enough neurons in the Texas voting populace, and the Texas Legislative body to figure out why this sort of policy would bankrupt the state of Texas.

OK Texas loses property taxes, dunno if any of you have looked at a map, but Texas has a lot of property.

Now they institute these Sin taxes...

Want an abortion? Well you either drive across the border into another state, or you pay $10,000. Now those who have the money to afford this kind of tax are going to be smart enough to hop on an airplane land in another state get their abortion and be back by the end of the day. Those who can't afford will just drive across the border. The only affect this will have will be abortion clinics opening up just across the Texas borders at major highways. Net gain for Texas in taxes: $0.00

Want a violent video game? Well thats even easier.. www.amazon.com . Online sales are not taxed unless the company exists in the state where the customer resides. The net outcome of this, online sales in Texas goes up, and Texas doesn't have any revenue from this method either. Net gain for Texas in taxes: $0.00

The soda tax? Well this one is harder to get around with the exception for those who live in border areas where they can make a quick trip. Now consider a 10% tax on a $1.00 soda, thats $.10. The net effect, will be what he wants people will probably drink less soda. Now people buy less soda.. thus tax revenues go down. Texas gains very little revenue.

Less than a year after these sorts of things go into effect and The Lone Star state will be bankrupt. The only thing these sort of taxes would destroy would be the Texas State Government.

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Re: Why this will fail...
[info]mnementh2230
2006-01-24 02:45 pm UTC (link)
Insightful!

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Re: Why this will fail... - [info]xenosphobatic, 2006-01-24 04:47 pm UTC
Re: Why this will fail... - [info]shadowd1, 2006-01-24 10:39 pm UTC

[info]peloquin3
2006-01-24 02:41 pm UTC (link)
I'd love to not pay property tax, but I loves me my video games, too!

Actually, I'd accept the tax on video games, but the $10,000 per abortion is WAY too much. And it would have to be all video games, not just the ones HE and his 10 Rangers determine violent.

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Someone smack this guy
[info]mnementh2230
2006-01-24 02:44 pm UTC (link)
Somebody needs to smack this guy. How much do you want to be he's not be touching the alcohol tax, eh? Yup, this guy's living in the 50's. The boring, sexually repressed 50's.

"Kids can't have these here violent video games! BLARGH! But don't touch mah hooch!"

Here's a clue, nimrod - people can buy their games over the internets now! Even if your rediculous (and probably unconstitutional) tax ideas went through, you wouldn't change anything!

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Re: Someone smack this guy
[info]shadowd1
2006-01-24 10:41 pm UTC (link)
actually, i think their line is "Kids can't have these here violent video games! but here, take this gun and go kill us some Terrorrrissts"

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History research buddy. . . . .
[info]the1jeffy
2006-01-24 02:47 pm UTC (link)
"I take the position that the Founding Fathers took: that the power to tax is the power to destroy."

Hence the entire reason behind the American Revolution. Dumbass. The founding fathers were against this kind of taxation.

Stick to ranchin', hillbilly.

YEE-HAAAW! *bang* *bang* *bang* Git me sum moonshine, wer gonna drive them sinners up north with the rest of the heathens! W'll use them fan-dangled taxes and laws agin dem "progressives" that like personal freedoms!

(I apologize for my insensitive remarks - not all hillbillys or ranchers are gap-toothed, uneducated, moronic oafs. Just the ones who want to run for office.)

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Re: History research buddy. . . . .
[info]monkey_style
2006-01-24 03:51 pm UTC (link)
Not American but thats the first thing I thought when I read the story. How sad is that? Canadian with passing knowledge of American history gets it while someone running for frigging office misses the point.

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[info]upir_dagmire
2006-01-24 03:04 pm UTC (link)
You might as well start taxing CD with a parental advisory sticker, rated R movies, the FOX news channel, Magic the fucking Gathering, Anime, Porn, people making short films, students, gas, the fuck out of people using vulgar language, the internets, broadband, prescribe suicide, suicude, pot, LSD, shrooms, trucks, cars, high powered vehicals, booze, McDonalds, KFC, Krispy Kreme, Wendy's, What-a-fucking-Burger, PC parts, Xbox's, PS2's, GameCube's, director's cut movies, cult movies, Conventions, xxx shops, paypal, ebay, cutting down trees, not giving money to poor children in other countries, saving dolphins, cheap weed killer, livejournal, freespeech, wiretapping, D&D, D20, anyone who goes to PAX, E3, AC, CC, people who support gay marriages....

You know all the things that make this planet a suckfest of a place to live in. It's stupid and a pointless tax, but more then likely get passed just because this guy is a republican.

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[info]f0sheezy
2006-01-24 03:05 pm UTC (link)
"The candidate told the Globe News he would create a 10-member panel to determine which games are violent...The same board would also decide whether video game ads portrayed violence."

Umm, wouldn't those opinions be subjective? I would assume the 10-member panel already has some kind of bias already against "violent" gaming. Who are they to think they could represent the opinions of the people of Texas with just a 10-member panel?

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it's odd that...
[info]bc_h20
2006-01-24 03:07 pm UTC (link)
he wants to use taxes to destroy what he doesn't like. one might question his commitment towards a free society. good thing he sounds like political hack with no chance at winning.

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[info]dreamshade
2006-01-24 03:10 pm UTC (link)
It's a cute story, but it won't happen. Not by a mile. Even if they were to slip it in undercover, it could still be easily challenged out of court. Don't waste the troll comments on this one.

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