gamepolitics: Justice Files: Accused Molester Met Victim Thru Xbox Live

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@ 2006-01-05 07:26:00

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Justice Files: Accused Molester Met Victim Thru Xbox Live

The Associated Press is reporting that police have arrested a 26-year-old California man on charges he molested a 14-year-old boy he met through Microsoft's popular Xbox Live service. Xbox Live is the exclusive host for online game play involving the Xbox and Xbox 360 systems.

Ronnie Brendan Watts of Placerville did not enter a plea during a Wednesday court appearance. He will appear before a Sonoma County judge on January 20th. Watts was arrested by the Santa Rosa P.D. last month after the teenage victim told his mother about the molestation. According to a press release on the police department's website, Watts is being charged with the following California statutes: Sending Harmful Matter to Seduce Minors; Lewd Act upon a Child; and Using Minor for Sex Acts.

Watts made contact with the boy on Xbox Live in October or November. Their contacts ultimately included e-mails and pornographic videos sent by Watts. The boy eventually gave the suspect his contact information, leading to a meeting in a Santa Rosa park where the alleged molestation took place.

After learning of the complaint, investigators searched Watts' home, seizing his Xbox and a laptop PC, along with a variety of cameras. Watts is currently free on bail.

GP: Keeping kids safe from online predators has been a major concern for parents and law enforcement officials for years. Now, as Internet connectivity rapidly progresses beyond the PC to game systems like the Xbox, PS2, PSP and Nintendo DS, it's more important than ever for parents to understand and discuss the dangers of the online world with their kids. A number of government-sponsored resources for keeping kids safe online are listed here.

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	Sick and Dumb godofyouall 2006-01-05 01:10 pm UTC (link)
	Don't get me wrong what this guy did was sick but the thirteen year old boy received lewd home made video footage of this guy and then goes to meet him. Dumb as f*ck. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	Re: Sick and Dumb tyrillpaladin 2006-01-06 04:09 pm UTC (link)
	Exactly what I was thinking. (Reply to this) (Parent)

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	sushispook 2006-01-05 01:21 pm UTC (link)
	it's going to be very interesting to see how microsoft handles this, both in terms of PR, and how they might modify xbox live itself (and it's TOS). (Reply to this) (Thread)

	zynth 2006-01-05 01:26 pm UTC (link)
	*TOS UPDATE* If you are under 18 years of age, do not arrange to 'honk a bobo' using the Live service. *END OF TOS UPDATE* I agree that what he did was sick, but I really couldn't resist the joke (Reply to this) (Parent)

Sad....

goodrobotus
2006-01-05 01:29 pm UTC (link)

Alas, the freedom of information and communication these days will always be abused by a sick few. Just as there have always been those who abuse, for example, the trust placed in teachers etc, it only takes a tiny percentage :(

That said, I'm also surprised that after recieving lewd content from this man, why the boy actually went to meet him? Surely he should have have been taught to know better? And no, that doesn't justify what happened, this man is disturbed, and needs help, as well as to pay the price for his acts.

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	Re: Sad.... jerico6 2006-01-05 01:38 pm UTC (link)
	Its sad but at least they're rightfully blaming the perpetrator instead of the video game tool. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

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Lewd content - (Anonymous), 2006-01-05 06:38 pm UTC

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goodrobotus, 2006-01-06 11:36 am UTC

the1jeffy
2006-01-05 02:28 pm UTC (link)

I hate it when web-comics are right. However much P-A was joking, it struck me back then that the type of thing from the article might happen. I was hoping the the 360 would have some sort of filter or something. But, I guess if the kid willingly accepted the "lewd material" that was sent to him, any protection from the filter would be circumvented.

I'm glad, though, that the press isn't blaming video games for this one. I bet if it was some other company besides Microsoft, the press might be singing a different tune. M$ is on top of the PR game right now, and the press isn't going pot-shot the king.

I wonder if JT will sound off about this, or is this too serious for even him to abuse to further his career. I hope he shows some decency and stays away from this one - instead of using this horrible event to boost his crusade.

I think that this points to genuine concern of mine: the non-severity of rape and child molestation penalties. I did some research back in school about the punishments for those crimes and I found them to be frighteningly light. I don't rememer the specifics, but many of these crimes get a comparative slap on the wrist when looked at beside the penalties for other crimes. [sigh], what a way to start today.

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jesdk
2006-01-05 03:17 pm UTC (link)

Indeed, criminal sentences/penalties for child-molesting are far too light.

That Watts was released on bail also disgusts me - how can you be freed on bail when you committed such a horrible crime?! That option shouldn't even be possible in a case like this.

Oh, and JT will probably say something about games being the mother of all evils, and that it twisted both the kid's - and the perpetrator's - mind enough to do this in the first place.

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jindewinter, 2006-01-05 06:47 pm UTC

Again where are the Parents

tollwutig
2006-01-05 02:51 pm UTC (link)

OK what the guy did was sick... but there is a question to be asked:
Where are these kid's freaking parents?
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Watts made contact with the boy on Xbox Live in October or November. Their contacts ultimately included e-mails and pornographic videos sent by Watts. The boy eventually gave the suspect his contact information, leading to a meeting in a Santa Rosa park where the alleged molestation took place."

So a 14 yr old just goes to the park on his on, and the parents don't even look at the Xbox and its content, wtf?

Was the acts sick and twisted? YES

Were they preventable by parents who gave 2 cents of concern for thier offspring's well being? Absolutely.

I'm sorry but the idiots who let little Timmy go off to the park alone, need to be slaped with a neglect charge.

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	Re: Again where are the Parents jesdk 2006-01-05 03:21 pm UTC (link)
	I wouldn't go as far as a neglect charge, but yes - Why didn't the parents know anything about this? Did they even bother?? And again, shouldn't parents be responsible and teach their children how to react to situations like these? (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

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wedley, 2006-03-31 01:04 pm UTC

healer1422
2006-01-05 03:23 pm UTC (link)

The problem is we're in a transition period where technology is too complex for a lot of parents. They didn't grow up with the stuff and don't realize what dangers are out there.
Hopefully, as more and more tech-savvy people start having kids of their own, things like this will start to dwindle. It'll never go away, but more guardians will understand what is out there and will be able to teach their kids about what to look out for.

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(Anonymous)
2006-01-05 07:48 pm UTC (link)

Hopefully, as more and more tech-savvy people start having kids of their own, things like this will start to dwindle. It'll never go away, but more guardians will understand what is out there and will be able to teach their kids about what to look out for.

I'm a tech-savvy (writing this from a Linux box, which has been my only desktop for 5 years) parent, but that doesn't have much to do with whether a boy thinks with his pecker instead of his brains. (Presuming that Watts lured the boy with female porn.)

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jythie, 2006-01-06 03:07 pm UTC

	Did anyone see that Dateline episode a couple of weeks ago? kungfu_tse 2006-01-05 03:52 pm UTC (link)
	They did a similar story on adult males who use the internet to chat with minors and they go to their house to have sex. Then to their surprise, the Dateline reporter shows up instead with cameras. (Reply to this)

	The agenda..... quartermaine 2006-01-05 04:50 pm UTC (link)
	It seems that the media loves to create stories that portray games in a bad light. I mean ANYTHING goes here. Molestor screws with kid on Xbox, everybody then thinks' "uh oh, gamez are bad OMG!!!!111!1". I'm positive that there's an agenda out there. (Reply to this)

larpguide
2006-01-05 05:30 pm UTC (link)

This has always been an issue. Working in MMO's, I continuously would find chat logs in the game of people cybersexing. We even had a story about a molestation case where the two met on one of the MMO's I was working on. It is just another venue with which perversions can be spread.

As for 'where are the parents' - many have no idea that simple console games can do what they are able to now. They were brought up on Atari's and stand alone Nintendos. Even I would be hard pressed to realize that a console game could actually transmit images and other things besides what is in the games. More than half of my friends (some who have kids) have no idea that there is more to the Xbox than the games themselves and live chat. They figure that their kids are safe, at home, playing on the TV (not the internet). They are now wrong.

BTW, could someone show me where online in official Xbox advertising it says that you can share images with others via the Xbox?

In addition, I don't know any 14 y/o's that would like to have their parents watching over their shoulders every minute they are playing a game. Yes yes, they are children, parents should know but imagine if you had someone standing over your shoulder for every minute you were playing a game? Even children need to be given a little bit of privacy. Trust issues need to be addressed at that age or else the more you don't trust them, the more they won't reveal to you. As for him going to the park alone - what is to stop him from making a short detour on his way home from school? The story makes it sound like little Timmy packed up his bag with porn and lube and said to his parents, "See ya later, I'm headin' out!"

And finally - why isn't the sick bastage locked up or dead? Sheesh. Believe everything you read do you? As stated by everyone else, there is too much about this case that isn't known. The kid received porno from the guy and still went to meet him. What was he expecting? A day on the pony rides? Not blaming the victim, just pointing out how easy it is to jump to conclusions.

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the1jeffy
2006-01-05 06:45 pm UTC (link)

"In addition, I don't know any 14 y/o's that would like to have their parents watching over their shoulders every minute they are playing a game."

I've never seen anyone in this forum advocate that. Ever.

We are simply asking that parents actually do about 15-20 minutes research before shelling out $500+ for the newest state-of-the-art video game system and handing to to their child and saying, "There you go! Have at it! I am assured for no reason what so ever that you are completely safe using this because it a toy for kids." That's all I'm asking for. The tiniest bit of responsibility for what their damn kids are doing.

Also, I'd like to say that I'm not vilifying these particular parents, for all we know this kid could have been lying to them about the 360, or whatever. At this point, we really don't have enought to go on, but I still stand by my assertion that bail is too easy to receive and the criminal penalties for child molestation and rape are too light. I guess the American judicial system disagrees with me on just how serious those two crimes are.

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Keylogging? -

goodrobotus, 2006-01-05 07:13 pm UTC

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	Sue Microsoft! aresef 2006-01-05 08:24 pm UTC (link)
	Because we all know they require all XBL games to have the following matching options: Quick Match Optimatch Create a Match PedoMatch rolleyes (Reply to this) (Thread)

	Re: Sue Microsoft! aresef 2006-01-05 08:26 pm UTC (link)
	Don't get me wrong. The guy's a psycho, but I know there are people out there who will start blaming Microsoft. (Reply to this) (Parent)

You have to wonder about the kid's sexuality.

daislite
2006-01-05 09:37 pm UTC (link)

Was he simply curious? Has he already made the decision that he is bi- or homosexual, regardless of whether or not he is mature enough to do so? What was his relationship with the man outside of the amateur porn the man made of himself?

I have to admit that I'm rather surprised by the intelligence of some of the comments here - I have to especially commend the anon. up above who tells off some of the more rabid posters.

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Re: You have to wonder about the kid's sexuality.

automancer
2006-01-05 10:57 pm UTC (link)

I wondered about the sexual orientation of the pair as well. The lewd material WAS of the offender, so it wasn't like the offender sent lewd content of naked women. The boy made the decision to go and meet the offender after the said content was sent. The initial communication occured over e-mail and chats, so this is simply another tale of a sexual predetor. The difference is that they met initially over Xbox Live.

-Auto

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	-Vader (Anonymous) 2006-01-06 02:32 am UTC (link)
	Im sorry... But as a 14 year old... YOU NEVER... EVER... GIVE YOU ADDRESS... TO ANYONE ONLINE... Seriously... The Kid was dumb for leaving a address as the guy was dumb for molesting him... (Reply to this)

	My Two Cents catch_33 2006-01-06 04:37 am UTC (link)
	The molester: I have always felt that pedophiles and rapists should get the death penalty. They cause more perpetual harm than anyone else, and the only way to prevent that is to take them out. The victim: I'm sorry that he was victimized, but I have to wonder about his intelligence. He may be 13, but to me, that's no excuse. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	Re: My Two Cents daislite 2006-01-06 05:09 am UTC (link)
	"Perpetual harm"? What the fuck are you talking about? (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

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catch_33, 2006-01-06 05:16 am UTC

Re: My Two Cents - (Anonymous), 2006-01-09 03:13 pm UTC

	OUT ON BAIL? WHAT THE FK!** (Anonymous) 2006-01-07 11:48 pm UTC (link)
	How did this guy get out on bail for meeting with a 13 year old, a 13 year old! This is crazy! What is wrong with this country! This guy should at least stay in jail for, i don't know, 20 years? If he does it once, he is bound to do it again. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	Re: OUT ON BAIL? WHAT THE FK!** (Anonymous) 2006-01-09 06:19 pm UTC (link)
	Sex offenders are out on bail and out of jail in the tens of thousands, you knucklehead! Go to your local law enforcement's web site on sexual predators. There is probably one within 2 miles of you. Duh. Don't you watch the news? (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

Re: OUT ON BAIL? WHAT THE F**K! - (Anonymous), 2006-01-09 08:02 pm UTC

There are idiots in this world
(Anonymous)
2006-01-07 11:55 pm UTC (link)

Okay, if a guy sends you pictures and you are 13, what do you do?

a) leave and tell your mom

b) call the police

c) ignore the pictures and the sick man

d) give him your information and meet him

I bet you already know what the kid would have picked. Feel free to answer this simple question to show how smart (or dumb) you are. As for my opinion, this kid is retarded and should never be on this Earth! As an instinct, you never, ever give a sick guy your information,EVER! Especially when he sinds you pictures that obviously shows what kind of person he is. There are sick people in this world and to prevent them from hurting others is to teach kids!

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	Re: There are idiots in this world (Anonymous) 2006-01-09 07:05 am UTC (link)
	There is one situation where you give a sick guy your information... the one where you want what he's offering. He's 14. He has a mind of his own. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

He has a mind of his own!!!!????? - (Anonymous), 2006-01-09 06:21 pm UTC

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jythie, 2006-01-09 08:15 pm UTC

New questions for "There Are Idiots in This World"
(Anonymous)
2006-01-09 03:09 pm UTC (link)

After a few thoughts, I came up with another question to update the situation. Why did the kid call the police if he loved the guy? There are no right or wrong answers:

a)he wanted attention at any cost, so he called the police.

b)did not expect to be molesested

c)did not like the guy

d)did not want his parents to find out he went to the man by choice.

Feel free to answer my new question. Let me end on this final note. Even if the kid wasn't retarded, he might of liked the guy (which is weird, but possible). In that case, he shouldn't have even called the police. I'm beginning to think there is more to this story than meets the eye. Wonder what the parents are thinking???

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This post takes the award....
(Anonymous)
2006-01-09 06:17 pm UTC (link)

as the single dumbest thing an American has said in calendar year 2006. I don't expect it to be surpassed, but then again, there are a lot of stupid gamers out here. You know absolutely nothing about the dynamics of sexual abuse, how it occurs, and why shame can give way to anger and healing.

But then again, you've had your head buried in cheat code books, so you wouldn't know. Jack Thompson

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Re: Jack Thompson takes the award..... - (Anonymous), 2006-01-09 07:55 pm UTC

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catch_33, 2006-01-09 10:02 pm UTC

	Jack Thompson here (Anonymous) 2006-01-09 06:15 pm UTC (link)
	No minor should play XBox live, for the reasons noted in this story. Anyone who doesn't realize that is a total knucklehead. Why don't you do a poll on that, Dennis? Here's the sample query: Should minors play XBox live? Jack Thompson (Reply to this) (Thread)

	Re: Jack Thompson here catch_33 2006-01-09 06:31 pm UTC (link)
	One incident of a dumabss kid telling a total stranger where he lives, and all minors should be restricted from enjoying online play? Riiiight... (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

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jythie, 2006-01-09 07:54 pm UTC

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wedley, 2006-03-31 01:05 pm UTC

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Re: Jack Thompson here - (Anonymous), 2006-01-09 07:48 pm UTC

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afflicted_here, 2006-03-31 04:21 pm UTC

More to the story...

fizzlor
2006-03-31 01:32 pm UTC (link)

There are a few things to get out of the way before I post this. My mother was the victim of sustained sexual abuse by her adoptive father and others from a young age all through to adulthood. I have many friends who were abused by parents, family friends or other relatives. In no way do I try to justify or try to make light of the suffering caused by sex crimes, so take that into consideration.

However, everything is not always as it seems, and many people will and seem to have already jumped to the most obvious and convenient solution, which more often than not is not always the case.

Many people have already stated that the victim was either aware of what he was getting into or too ignorant or naive to see it. This could be true, but with the saturation by the media and other sources of sexuality and the lure of the flesh presented to younger and younger children, especially young boys, temptations seem to rise much younger, and are more difficult to put out of mind. Along with the increased pressure put on the importance of 'traditional' family, and the condemnation of alternative lifestyles and identities which some see as 'deviant' or 'aberrant', the victim could very well have felt threatened by his own parents if they were to find out, and in a hurried decision pointed the finger at the suspect.

The difficulty in determining the truth in the matter is mostly due to the lack of substantive information. I'll be the first to admit I haven't looked terribly hard, but I have yet to find a statement actually made to the press by the family, and the official police report is expectantly vague considering the fragile nature of an ongoing investigation with a pending trial. To use a phrase touted about so carelessly, 'judge not lest ye be judged'. I'm not saying it's wrong to condemn the act, and it is obvious that some wrongdoing on the part of the suspect took place, but the screams for a public quartering are at best premature, and at worst a sign of the true human condition.

As I've said before, there is no way that what happened can be excused. But before the suspect is executed, perhaps an explanation and investigation would be appropriate. Then again, maybe I'm wrong.

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Re: More to the story...

wedley
2006-03-31 03:12 pm UTC (link)

He was a 13 year old boy. The law has determined that he's not old enough to make these decisions. Whether he's gay or not is completely irrelevant, like saying that it would have been okay were the man heterosexual and the 13 year old a girl. There's a reason statutory rape laws are put in place. It doesn't even matter if they both enjoyed themselves. The suspect's motivation is irrelevant, as is the victim's.

If you're saying it's questionable whether any sex acts were committed, that's a different story, but that's certainly not the implication I'm getting from what you wrote.

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I'm never going to understand human morals. Too hypocritical.

saikogekido
2006-03-31 09:25 pm UTC (link)

A child learns through all of his senses. Most prominent are vision and hearing and so many have drawn the conclusion that video games can help teach children like in Mario Teaches Typing.

With current marketing trends in nearly all aspects of every industry leading toward rougher more mature content in video games, that means that if we're still running with this old theory then we've been teaching children how to act mature before they're "ready to".

If you understand how the human brain works, then you must know that its basic construction does not change throughout its lifetime and that the introduction of horomones does indeed occur before the age of 16. Chemicals being the governing body of our mental states means that it is possible for someone to mature at an age other than 18. The law does not recognize this because it is Christian and they don't believe in our demonic science witchery.

Going back to the subject you can then place two and two together and realize that perhaps the 14 year old boy had consciously decided to try this out and like a virgin's first time he was scared and uncertain of what had occured. Still fully conscious of his decision, it may have turned out like the person in the conjecture before yours stated; he turned to his parents for protection from his own actions.

But this is what hes supposed to do. This is what we've taught him with human society. All responsibility lies with one individual in any matter. Parties count as individuals, so there's never multiple people guilty.

So I say, just burn your witch and be done with it. Society will not change today and what that man did was wrong; despite the boy's conscious and quite intentional decision. This is not the first time a 14 year old boy has fooled around with someone older, and it won't be the last. Perhaps we can make an annual witch burning, kind of like a ritual, to appease the people. Little do they realize how many 14 year old boys who didn't cry home to their mommies.

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Re: I'm never going to understand human morals. Too hypocritical.

iamthemonkeyhea
2006-04-01 06:31 am UTC (link)

First of all Id like to commend fizzlor on his insight. I dont know if Im too late to be posting on this thread but I will anyway.

Saiko Gekido, Im not sure what your final point about 14 year olds and maturity was but Im pretty sure you are aware that hormones and sight and sound do not completely define a persons maturity. There is a lot of experience and emotional maturity along with mental maturity that is accounted for with the two factors that affect a definition of maturity which can most safely be assumed to have been attained at the age of 18. NOT earlier, and perhaps even more time is required for a person to mature. I myself am 18 and am only finally coming to terms with the recent discoveries of the rape of loved ones and the high incidence in which this act occurs. This shit is traumatizing and even hearing it at my age was extremely difficult. Regardless of how mature you think this little kid was, anyone above 18 years, especially beyond 20 deserves much worse than a death penalty for sexual involvement with a minor, no matter if the minor THOUGHT they wanted it or believed they were mature enough for it. Even if they enjoyed it, the mind is far too impressionable for that to not fuck them up later in life. Especially in terms of ethics.

Whatever the boys intention in meeting this pervert, it isnt right to call a 14 year old a 'retard' for meeting someone like this. Theres too much you dont know about him and regardless of what you understand as a 'norm' in 14 year old mentality, a little kid is NAIVE which is why we have the 18 year old cut-offs for mature content, etc. I know someone very close to me who was raped at 14 by a 20 year old boyfriend. I dont in any way blame her for her actions since she was 14. If you look back, you probably didnt know shit at 14 so maybe we could have something more intelligent than calling a little kid a 'dumbass'.
Oh, and whoever posted as Jack Thompson, I think Xbox live is perhaps too underregulated for minors to play on a seemingly inoffensive networking system. Now the Nintendo DS, theres a system specifically for minors.

Anyway thats all I got.

-Cam

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randomusername, 2006-04-02 12:33 pm UTC

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randomusername, 2006-04-02 12:34 pm UTC

	sniper_fight 2006-04-01 10:45 pm UTC (link)
	If everyone is saying "he has a mind of his own" and "maybe he just wanted to have sex," then how come we're not all saying "HA HA HA THAT KID GOT MOLESTED?!" What a silly debate. Anyway, 'sup Jack Thompson. How are ya? (Reply to this)

Just a thought

internetjackass
2006-04-02 07:07 am UTC (link)

First off, the post above me is ridiculous. How is saying a kid might not ask his parents about everything in any way like finding comedy in the fact that he got molested?

But my point is, everyone keeps saying one of two things. Either you agree that parents should be monitering all this or you agree that at 14 a kid should make his own decisions and have some privacy. Maybe it's not that beneficial to look soley at what we should and shouldn't do. Maybe we shouldn't have sex with kids half our age? How about that? Look, my point is, some people do. It happens. Just like parents should pay a little attention to their kids once in a while, some forget, or say they're too busy. It happens. Just like when kids are supposed to know not to go to the park to meet ANY stranger they met online, let alone strangers sending pictures of their c*ck and balls, they do anyway. It happens. All these things that shouldn't happen do. And even if we all come to a concesus about what parents should do to monitor their kids and when they cross a line and take away the freedom they need,
not all parents are going to do it. You don't have any better of a chance fix this problem by talking to the parents about rules and guidelines they should set, than if you said, "Hey, get your pecker out of that little boy" to make all the pedophiles stop raping kids.
Are we really getting anywhere here? Are we actually going backwards? Scroll to the top and look at all the posts starting with the 6th. See those? After that first chain of intellegent posts, good comments, or even coherent ones, start to become few and far between. All I'm saying is maybe it's time to start worrying about ourselves and the kids we have or will have in the future instead of telling everyone else what to do and how to think, and make hateful replies at random people because they have a crappy post, anonymous Jack Thompson, you sad, lonely depressed son of a b*tch. That's all I got.

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acherun
2006-04-02 04:10 pm UTC (link)

my guess he was a little dude-curious and found out he didn't like it. If the guy is sending you pictures and you're still up for it, then I'm sure the kid thought he was in for more than milk and cookies. Not to say that it was a good thing that he was molested.

Also, I was too lazy to read the entirety of the posts above so I don't know if this was mentioned before, but if it wasn't consensual to some degree, why wasn't this kid kidnapped and why wasn't he dead in a ditch somewhere?

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	In reference. lucky2bloved 2006-04-02 05:54 pm UTC (link)
	I was wrong, he did send content featuring himself. What can you do about the predators, if the victims haven't the sense to protect themselves? (Reply to this)

Do you not know what the "Age of Consent" law actually means??

eskarne
2006-04-03 07:16 am UTC (link)

"Age of consent" means that anyone below this age (16 in Australia) does not have the understanding and maturity to give meaningful consent. Therefore even if they say "yes" it is not valid - this protects them from sexually manipulative lawyers, and also from signing contracts (eg, for credit cards - they can sign it but it doesn't mean anything). That is why sex with someone under that age is illegal - it is sex without their consent. And sex without consent is rape (hence "statutory rape"). Incidentally, this also applies to taking advantage of extremely drunk/drugged chicks, or severaly mentally disabled people.

So even if the boy went along with the act entirely, in every way, IT IS STILL RAPE. The age of consent law is there to protect children - and 12/14 year old boys are old enough to have vague sexual frustrations - to be very very interested in sex and porn - but not old enough to understand the full realities of sex. They cannot give meaningful consent. Okay? So please stop talking about whether he wanted to or not because it's not relevant. His sexual preference sure as HELL isn't relevant, and if you have a fourteen year old son he is probably looking at porn every time you leave the house, and I doubt he'd tell you if he was interested in having sex, if you have these kind of attitudes of "vigilance". TALK to your children, tell them their desires are natural and healthy and okay, and help them to make wise choices about sex. Encourage them to masturbate, and don't be a fucking hypocrite about sex. Enough said.

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