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California Video Game Law Blocked by Federal Judge

Yet another state-level video game law has been barred from taking effect.

California's legislation, signed by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger in October, and scheduled to become law on New Year's Day, was enjoined by federal court Judge Ronald Whyte late yesterday.

An informed source told GP Judge Whyte held that games are protected by First Amendment, children have First Amendment rights, and the concept of "strict scrutiny" applies. The source also told GP that the judge believes the video game industry is likely to prevail on its claim that the law violates the First Amendment. The state's requirement of labeling violent games is also held likely to be unconstitutional.

Interestingly, deviating from previous rulings, Judge Whyte found that California's law is not impermissibly vague. The judge indicated that Postal II is covered while Full Spectrum Warrior is not.

Bo Andersen, President of the Video Software Dealers Association (VSDA), reacting to the preliminary injunction, said, "VSDA frankly takes no pleasure in this decision. The injunction was inevitable, as is a final ruling that the law is unconstitutional. It is indeed unfortunate that the state of California has wasted precious taxpayer dollars in pursuing this legislation, when the outcome is so predictable: This law will never go into effect... It is time for legislators to move beyond the rhetoric uttered in support of passage of such censorial legislation."

ESA boss Doug Lowenstein commented, "We are extremely pleased by today's announcement. We deeply respect the concerns of the Governor and the Legislature that gave rise to the law. For the sixth time in five years, Federal Courts have now blocked or struck down these state and local laws seeking to regulate the sale of games to minors based on their content, and none have upheld such statutes. It is therefore time to look past legislation and litigation in favor of cooperative efforts to accomplish the common goal of ensuring that parents use the tools available to control the games their kids play."

The ESA has a press release available, as does the VSDA




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That's six now...
[info]bigman_k
2005-12-22 05:01 pm UTC (link)
Haven't these damn politicans got it through their heads that these laws are unconstitutional already and passing them and defending them in court is just an outright waste of taxpayers money and won't solve any sort of violence problems in society.

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Me too
[info]jabrwock
2005-12-22 05:07 pm UTC (link)
The reason everyone's jumping on the bandwagon, whether the horse will pull or not...

a Democratic think tank, recommended that candidates woo the married parent demographic by taking a stance on perceived negative cultural influences

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Democratic think tank
[info]godofyouall
2005-12-22 05:21 pm UTC (link)
An analysis by a Democratic think tank argues that Democrats are suffering from a severe "parent gap" among married people with children, who say the entertainment industry is lowering the moral standards of the country.

The study, published last week by the Progressive Policy Institute (PPI), the policy arm of the centrist Democratic Leadership Council, admonishes Democrats to pay more attention to parental concerns about "morally corrosive forces in the culture," and warns that the party will not fare better with this pivotal voting bloc until they do.

"Democrats will not do better with married parents until they recognize one simple truth: Parents have a beef with popular culture. As they see it, the culture is getting ever more violent, materialistic, and misogynistic, and they are losing their ability to protect their kids from morally corrosive images and messages," said the study's author, Barbara Dafoe Whitehead, co-director of the National Marriage Project of Rutgers University and a senior fellow at PPI.

"To be credible, Democrats must acknowledge the legitimacy of parents' beef and make it unmistakably clear that they are on the parents' side," Ms. Whitehead said.

Urging Democrats to change the way they look at cultural issues, the PPI report calls on party leaders to "use the bully pulpit regularly and aggressively to identify with parents' concerns and to attack the irresponsible marketeers of violence and sleaze to young kids."

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Re: Democratic think tank
[info]godofyouall
2005-12-22 05:33 pm UTC (link)
http://www.ppionline.org/documents/parentgap_0408.pdf

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About the DLC..
[info]karmakin
2005-12-22 06:04 pm UTC (link)
I'm pretty active in the netroots for liberals/Democrats whatever. Let me tell you this.

The DLC gets no love. None at all. In fact, they're outright hated.

Why? They've been in charge mainly since 92. The ONLY victory they've won has been Clinton. And that's because of his own personal charisma, and not any sort of policy, or even strategy ideals.

These guys are failures, in every sense of the word. Their idea, is that to win elections, you need to court "the middle", even if it means turning off other people.

And because of this, Democrats keep on losing both elections, and mindshare to the other side. I guess I'm trying to say is that groups like the DLC and the PPI do NOT speak for all Democats, let alone all those on the moderate/left side of things.

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Re: About the DLC..
[info]karmakin
2005-12-22 06:05 pm UTC (link)
In fact, right now I'm going to go write a diary on one of the main netroots blogs..DailyKos.com about this. I'll post a link in a bit.

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Re: About the DLC..
[info]karmakin
2005-12-22 06:42 pm UTC (link)
And here's the link

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Re: That's six now...
[info]catch_33
2005-12-22 05:08 pm UTC (link)
Politicians aren't looking to solve problems. They just want the "scared soccer mom" vote. They don't care if these laws don't get through. Not even Blagobitch. He's just trying to look better than the others by sticking to his guns, so to speak.

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Here's the ruling...
(Anonymous)
2005-12-22 05:17 pm UTC (link)
http://www.svmedialaw.com/VSDA%20v%20Schwarzenegger%2012-21-05.pdf

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Not vague?
[info]jabrwock
2005-12-22 05:42 pm UTC (link)
I don't agree with using Postal vs. Full Spectrum Warrior as a good comparison. He should have looked at Postal vs. The Sims, as a judge of whether the killing was "personal" enough to appeal to morbid interest...

While I disagree with his interpretation of "virtually inflict a high degree of pain", I do see his point, in that it's assumed that you are using the character's reaction to judge whether it's painful (ie: if they are ignoring the damage, they aren't in pain... if they are screaming as you shoot them, they are acknowledging that they are in pain)

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Re: Not vague?
(Anonymous)
2005-12-23 04:48 am UTC (link)
Ah, so the Sims is the worst game of all...

I haven't played since the original Sims, but as I recall they die a bit like this:

Sim accidently sets dinner on fire due to lack of kitchen experience. Sim tries in vain to extinguish the fire, but it's just too much - in fact, Sim has become trapped by flames and can't get to a phone to summon help!!
Sim begins to panic, screaming while he or she (maybe a child) burns to death.

Sims family members are grief-stricken, they break down in tears upon learning of the death of their loved ones. Even after re-marriage, the widowers will continue to visit the grave of the fallen.


I'd argue that games which really make death a personal affair, are moving the industry forward.

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Mr. Pibb and Red Vines equals crazy delicious.
[info]bitnine
2005-12-22 05:19 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, I would tend to think that lawmakers are aware of the fact that these bills are essentially junk legislation. But even as such, they probably feel its worth it to represent themselves to certain demographics as "moral advocates", something that many democrats feel might be advantageous in gaining some ground on republicans.

By now, the constitutional issues are readily apparent and consistant. However, what we aren't seeing is a restructuring of these bills to make them more tenable. If the goal was to really enact controls or restrictions on video game distribution (to minors or otherwise), I'd expect to see more in the way of brainstorming on formulating a law viable enough to stand up to judicial scrutiny.

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[info]ragnarok_now
2005-12-22 05:25 pm UTC (link)
Does someone have a running total for all the money wasted on legislation and subsequent negation of all these crappy videogame laws? I'd be interested to see just how much it is adding up to at this point.

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[info]catch_33
2005-12-22 05:27 pm UTC (link)
I don't want to know. I mean, it would useful, but I'd probably have a heart attack if I saw the figures.

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[info]viridiscervus
2005-12-22 06:13 pm UTC (link)
And Mt. Precedent just keeps rising :D

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Thank you Judge Whyte
[info]monkeyincorner
2005-12-22 06:16 pm UTC (link)
For not letting slef-serving politicians and modern day panderers steal our first amendment rights in the name of protecting the children. This is not about the children, this is about government control and censorship, they hide behind "We must protect the children" because they know their shit doesn't fly on face value.

I hope the other states get the message and live us gamers alone. I have faith in these United States Court System!

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I'm concerned though
[info]jabrwock
2005-12-22 06:25 pm UTC (link)
I'm a little concerned that the "vagueness" issue didn't hold up. Although I suppose his examples given do illustrate that once you make certain assumptions, the definitions do seem to make more sense, given context. However, it still doesn't address the problem of the definitions applying to games the law-makers didn't intend, because their definitions were not as "narrowly tailored" as they thought.

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Re: Thank you Judge Whyte
[info]hilaryduffgta
2005-12-22 07:49 pm UTC (link)
am i the only one who wants to use the george carlin line when i hear this "Protect the Children" "save the children" well to quote the great comic George Carlin.."F*** The Children"

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Who didn't see this coming?
[info]quartermaine
2005-12-22 06:41 pm UTC (link)
Hopefully legislatures around the country will wise up and let their proposed bills die out.

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CLICK CLICK BOOM!!!!
[info]yukimurasanada
2005-12-22 06:58 pm UTC (link)
And the brains of another unconstitutional law get splattered acroos the countr. Sorry Speaker LEE, but looks like your poorly written mess of a law just got FUCKED!!!!!!.

Oh Jacky boy, wheres your support for the cali law now bitch. How's thoses lies and diciet holding up for you ? Oh, Thats right. THERE NOT!!

This is what happens when stupid people try to control what they don't under stand. They waste time and money.

Let this be a lesson. You can't win, don't TRY!!!

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Re: CLICK CLICK BOOM!!!!
[info]hilaryduffgta
2005-12-22 07:53 pm UTC (link)
He He Great choice there Yuki for the title..A hell of a great song too


Yep these politicians just got Taken it to them again yet they keep trying.and i could respect their decisions to try these laws if they did this with all Media and I mean all Media.Sports events,television,plays,Regardless of what it is even if it is reading a book then they need to cover every single form of media.not like they will do it but hey i guess using commen sense and brains is asking too much of People Like Clinton and Thompson.(been nice and quiet in here wonder when he will be back with his "Listen to me children" Crap)


he he and since it feels right in the words of Nelson Munts


HAHA!

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Re: CLICK CLICK BOOM!!!!
[info]l0que
2005-12-23 12:58 am UTC (link)
Please...grammar...spelling...gah *dies*

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The only real obstacle now is.....
[info]quartermaine
2005-12-22 07:03 pm UTC (link)
the lawsuit in Alabama.

Sure, there are other bills pending across the country, but I have a feeling that legislatures around the nation will look at California, Michigan, Illinois, Washington state, St. Louis, and Indianapolis and realize the fight is over. I have a feeling the pending bills will be swept away and fade from existence.

As for the lawsuit, today's ruling is good for the defendants, bad for plaintiffs. Blank Rome will have a field day kicking the idiot families of those cops come 2006!!!!!!!

Oh, and one more thing.........
















hoooah!!!!!!!!

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Damn I forgot
[info]hilaryduffgta
2005-12-22 07:37 pm UTC (link)
The Hooah

Yes im sure Rome will Enjoy this one a lot and that was a cold thing saying idiot families of strickland and them but i fully agree with you.Now i can See the Guy is in Pain over losing his Brother But he is taking his anger at Rockstar games and blaming them it seems for 99 percent of His brothers death and looks at Devin moore as 1 percent of that murder.Well that seems To me that for one im sure The Insane lawyer who's name i wont say so i will save myself a migrane today Jumped on this one and probably Busted a nut the second he heard there was a murder.

I would like to see the game industry come out winning this one because i dont believe that Steve Strickland SHould profit off his brothers death and i think the fact that devin moore got convicted of it and is going to Face jail time and Hell who knows i say give him the death penality.But i seriously have no sympathy for people who murder others in Cold Blood which is what devin moore did because He was F***** in the head and had a shitty family life.Being in a situation he was in he pretty much lost it and Killed those cops.As for this "grand theft auto trained him to kill" fine as i have said i have well over 100,000 kills in san andreas and at least 150,000 kills combined in all 3 games.there are people i have wanted to Beat down and Smack around who have deserved it.Have i done it no because i dont Feel like going to prison and i know killing People is bad.

and just for jack thompson

Duh! and Hoooooooooooah!


p.s So Jack you bought stock in take two now huh.Gee for someone who wants to destroy a company and has hatred for them you sure as hell dont mind giving them some more advertising do you..im sure you will walk in there acting like Triple H and go "i own stock you cant release bully and if you do then it will be bad so dont do it Or Else!"

Oh and Jack i do plan to buy Bully and 25 to life.so if you are still getting the cops to seize Gta copies have them come and take those too..

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Re: Damn I forgot
[info]quartermaine
2005-12-22 07:50 pm UTC (link)
HWhere did he buy stock in Take Two?

Got any links?

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Re: Damn I forgot
[info]hilaryduffgta
2005-12-22 07:54 pm UTC (link)
Here you go

and i've noticed something for someone like Jack who kept going on about this whole "Im being harrased" Crap he sure as hell doesnt seem to Mind harrasing other people..http://ds.advancedmn.com/article.php?artid=3090

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Re: Damn I forgot
[info]pixelante_ninja
2005-12-22 09:12 pm UTC (link)
A interesting note:
Hooah actually comes from the marines(stands for heard, understood, accepted) who JT claims use games to turn recruits into mindless killing machines.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hooah
hooah!

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Finally some good news
[info]hilaryduffgta
2005-12-22 07:28 pm UTC (link)
"It is therefore time to look past legislation and litigation in favor of cooperative efforts to accomplish the common goal of ensuring that parents use the tools available to control the games their kids play."


I agree with Doug that there needs to Be something else done to help parents finding right games for their kids.Since apparently doing their research is too much for a parent.at least that is what i think and as much as i dont want to believe it this whole attempting to Regulate video games with these type of law's and never touch other media will continue to happen until election time and then it will pick back up after that.Its gonna be a endless chain of stupidity

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Let's not forget
[info]empress_tigress
2005-12-22 07:45 pm UTC (link)
Next year is a HUGE election year for the Dems. A lot of Congressional and Senatoral seats are going to be up for grabs. With the Bush Administration's poll numbers having reached terminal velocity in its descent, this is their chance to get their party back in power.

One truth the PPI states is that the 'Pubs got an overwhelming majority of the "soccer mom" vote in 2004. If the Dems want to win over their districts, going after those evil video games and pimping the "Hot Coffee" scandal for all its worth is what they have to do. It doesn't matter if the legislation doesn't pass constitutional muster. What matters is that it looks like they are "doing something" to the soccer moms. The beauty of this move is that they don't have to mention raising taxes or increasing funding on programs for the have-nots or anything else that may be productive.

And again, only a minority of 18-30 year olds vote. And those that do vote Democrat anyway. So if they lose a few votes over this issue, it's a small loss compared to drawing in the soccer mom crowd.

It's not pretty, but that's politics for you.

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Is it just me or
[info]hilaryduffgta
2005-12-22 07:56 pm UTC (link)
Do the soccer moms look like some really sick cult of People who really get off on this whole "my child is soo wonderful and is the universe" Crap or is that just me

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Re: Is it just me or
[info]jabrwock
2005-12-22 08:32 pm UTC (link)
It's just you.

It's not that the child is so wonderful, but rather that they percieve the world to be a scary place, and don't think the children should be exposed to any of it, lest they turn into those "disreputable" people that "cap" each other on the nightly news.

Soccer moms are highly opinionated, yet clueless. So all you need to do is scare them with a crazy enough concept, and they'll demand action.

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Re: Is it just me or
[info]hilaryduffgta
2005-12-22 09:00 pm UTC (link)
in other words keep thier child blind to the real world so when they go out to it they have no idea how to deal with it...im sorry but i still believe cut the damn cord and as "scary" as the world is learn to deal with it and make sure you raise your child so they know that yea the world is screwed up and all they can do is succeed in life and raise a healthy family

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Re: Is it just me or
[info]catch_33
2005-12-22 09:11 pm UTC (link)
Yep. Ever see that commerical for MSN where a guy in a butterfly suit follows a woman and her two kids around and eliminates the things she objects to, like loud music, a picture of a half-naked woman, and some dudes smoking cigarettes? There's millions of those parents all over the country. If they had their way, shows like The Simpsons, music like Rammstein's, and games like GTA wouldn't exist.

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Re: Is it just me or
[info]sqlrob
2005-12-22 10:01 pm UTC (link)
Nope, it's not just you, and Hillary "it takes a village" Clinton is their high priestess

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Re: Is it just me or
[info]hilaryduffgta
2005-12-22 11:51 pm UTC (link)
Roflmao every time i hear Clinton's "It takes a village to raise a child" i immeditly remember that x play episode where they made fun of the hot coffee scandle thing and Did a review of san andreas for the x box and adam's was perfect..."hey Hilary" "it takes a village to piss me off"

Gotta respect x play for not giving their opinions on the thing and i love it how every time they Review a M rated game they throw it that "this is rated m" "so of course its a game for kids" nice way to stick it to these morons...

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Re: Is it just me or
[info]empress_tigress
2005-12-23 06:45 am UTC (link)
It's not just you. I live in a town that just screams "suburb." And watching the soccer moms dote on their kids is both the funniest and saddest thing in the world to observe.

Case in point, I was waiting in line at a Wendy's when a mother and two girls got in behind me. The kids made a bee-line for the bathroom so they could wash their hands before eating, but the mother practically dragged them to the line. She explained that they could use the sanitary wipes in her purse. Then the kids started playing around and doing the "bored kid" routine. Eventually, they started rubbing the bars of the barracade thing and the woman snatched their arms away and inspected their hands for dirt. I held my tongue to keep from asking her what the big deal was when she was going to wipe down their hands before eating anyway.

These women are usually so devoid of personality that they just have a kid to prove that they can accomplish something. If the kid gets Darwinized, they rob their mother of their Manchausen-by-proxy-like obsession. But sheltering a kid from every possible threat is just going to isolate them mentally and make them ill-prepared to deal with the world at large.

Makes me think of a George Carlin routine (and a glorious rant at that):

"'Well, I love my children!' Hey, everyone loves their children, okay? Doesn't make you special. ... You want to know the best way to 'help the children?' LEAVE THEM THE F*** ALONE!"

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Re: Is it just me or
[info]hilaryduffgta
2005-12-23 08:31 am UTC (link)
Roflmao

I see you have watched George Carlin You are all diseased a time or two havent we.He he that is freakin hilarious right there and actully kind of sad that a mother can be that damn insane.and hey they want to shelter their kid for life then great let them see how it bites them in the ass in a few years.Yes George Carlin Is very intelligent in this area.hell and they wonder why kids smoke now.It Helps Well not as much as weed but hey.i also believe in denis leary's approach to this "im not happy Im not happy" in which the simple response is "so fucking what no one is happy Life sucks get a helmet"

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Re: Is it just me or
[info]empress_tigress
2005-12-23 04:40 pm UTC (link)
I see you have watched George Carlin You are all diseased a time or two havent we.


Watched?! I have the CD and listen to it on long car trips. And my husband and I try to catch his show whenever he comes down to Greensboro.

I also agree with the whole "soft boy's names" thing, too. I'll never take a guy named Todd, Tyler, Tucker, Kyle, or Blaine seriously. Ever. I almost want to name my son Eddy/Edward just because of that bit. (I also have another excuse: one of my favorite pro wrestlers died recently. Vaya con Dios, Eddie Guerrero.)

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It would have been better for the industry if
[info]quartermaine
2005-12-22 07:52 pm UTC (link)
If Jack had been allowed to practice in Alabama. Then everyone would've seen what a loon he is in court and then the suit would've been killed. By getting rid of him, Blank Rome has replaced with with attorney's who are probably quite mature and competent in their behavior in and out of court.

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Re: It would have been better for the industry if
[info]jabrwock
2005-12-22 08:30 pm UTC (link)
By getting rid of him, Blank Rome has replaced with with attorney's who are probably quite mature and competent in their behavior in and out of court.

Which means we'll actually have a civilized discussion of the issues, sans sensationalism, sans ad homonism, sans BS. Which is a "win" for us in my books. As long as JT screws up their side, they can just blame him instead of their own flawed arguments. This way we face their arguments in a civilized discourse, no interference from the dancing monkey on the sidelines.

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Re: It would have been better for the industry if
[info]catch_33
2005-12-22 08:32 pm UTC (link)
Precisely. When all the cards have been set on the table, and they amount to nothing, it'll set a precedent. With Jack there, it becomes a battle between a kid on a sugar-rush and the parents trying to put him to bed.

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Well jack's debates are entertaining
[info]hilaryduffgta
2005-12-22 08:34 pm UTC (link)
Since they mainly are "i predicted columbine so why would i need proof" oh and my personal favorite "children put down the controllers and get a life" then the entertaing one he gave me one time "go buy a suicide game and get real good at it"

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