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Take-Two's Paul Eibeler Named Worst CEO of 2005

A bad year for Take-Two Interactive just got a little worse.

MarketWatch, a financial publication, has named Take-Two boss Paul Eibeler as the "Worst CEO of the Year." Of Eibeler, senior MarketWatch columnist Herb Greenberg writes:

"...considering how absolutely out-of-control his company appears to be, and how poorly he has executed, I'm proud to announce that this year's winner of the Worst CEO of the Year award goes to none other than Paul Eibeler of Take-Two Interactive..."

"Eibeler... has done such a poor job... that Take-Two has missed its own earnings guidance for multiple quarters. So far this year it has sliced earnings guidance by more than 60%... after the company's hot-selling game, Grand Theft Auto, was given the dreaded 'adult' rating... The company has since suffered a series of setbacks on the rollouts of newer games - a perennial problem at Take-Two that appears to be getting worse. In the end, the buck stops with the guy at the top and at Take-Two that would be Paul Eibeler. Congratulations, Paul! (To shareholders: condolences.)
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Greenberg actually spares Eibeler a repetition of many of the nasty details of Take-Two's rough ride in 2005. No mention of the repeated corporate lying about the embedded Hot Coffee material; no mention of the ongoing FTC investigation of Take-Two's marketing practices; or the fact that the mismanagement and dishonesty surrounding the Hot Coffee scandal was the likely tipping point in this year's unprecedented slew of video game legislation.




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I swear...
(Anonymous)
2005-12-08 12:55 pm UTC (link)
One little thing like Hot Coffee and automatically your the worst CEO. Hell it wasn't even that graphic!

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Re: I swear...
[info]jabrwock
2005-12-08 10:46 pm UTC (link)
Um, maybe you should read the article. :)

He barely mentions Hot Coffee at all. More focuses on things like how Eibeler tanked Acclaim before coming to TakeTwo, among other things...

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Attention Media Morons
[info]hilaryduffgta
2005-12-08 01:02 pm UTC (link)
Jeez thats some story right there the least they could of done (guess asking for them to get at least one thing right is asking to much) Gta san andreas had the adults only rating for what 2 or 3 months something Like that....and come on...."after the company's hot-selling game, Grand Theft Auto, was given the dreaded 'adult' rating..."



Yawn its too early for this type of stupidity but nice story dennis....i wonder if this will Bring back in everyone's favorite nutjob

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Re: Attention Media Morons
[info]locke_cole
2005-12-08 01:11 pm UTC (link)
OMG IT IS TEH PROOF THAT GTA HAS DISTROYED GAMING AND MORALS AND THE VALUE OF TEH DOLLAR JEEZUS BE BRAISED!
[End Thompson Mode]

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Re: Attention Media Morons - [info]chenry, 2005-12-08 01:37 pm UTC
Re: Attention Media Morons - [info]indystarx, 2005-12-08 04:32 pm UTC
Re: Attention Media Morons - [info]chenry, 2005-12-08 04:37 pm UTC
Re: Attention Media Morons - [info]ericseiler, 2005-12-08 06:09 pm UTC
Re: Attention Media Morons - [info]keddren, 2005-12-08 04:22 pm UTC

(Anonymous)
2005-12-08 01:07 pm UTC (link)
It’s good to see things are going wrong over at Rockstar, I’m certainly happy about all of this.

It’s also good to see that all this legislation, and attacks are going exactly what things are often intended to (not win cases really), but cripple the people they are going after. Chip them away bit by bit.

Things are indeed going rather well. Seems like all that needs to be done is keep going for more laws, keep going for lawsuits, and just keep the heat on the bastards so their profits keep dropping. Let's hope there are more good ones in the near future.

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[info]kajex
2005-12-08 11:53 pm UTC (link)
Gee... I wonder who this could be. e.e

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Wow - (Anonymous), 2005-12-09 12:01 am UTC
How transparent - [info]speckman, 2005-12-09 12:48 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]catch_33, 2005-12-09 03:43 am UTC
laws, lawsuits? - [info]heimdal00, 2005-12-09 03:52 am UTC
Dennis... - [info]catch_33, 2005-12-09 04:13 am UTC
soccer mom mode
[info]hilaryduffgta
2005-12-08 01:13 pm UTC (link)
Oh dear god Gta had a adults only rating...Oh No but i bought that game for my 3 month old baby he saw the game and couldnt stop crying so i had no other choice but to buy it for him..its my duty as a mother to buy my child anything he sees fit including Pornography....How dare Take two make a game like Gta...Why the Nintendo is not a porn toy it is something for children to learn to read and write and sell cocaine....Damn you take two for runing my son's Nintendo entertainment system with this game

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Re: soccer mom mode
[info]evilrockstu
2005-12-08 01:23 pm UTC (link)
You know, this kind of sarcastic crap REALLY doesn't help.

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Re: soccer mom mode - [info]chenry, 2005-12-08 01:31 pm UTC
Re: soccer mom mode - [info]rmallen, 2005-12-08 02:12 pm UTC
Re: soccer mom mode - (Anonymous), 2005-12-08 03:26 pm UTC
Re: soccer mom mode - [info]jbourrie, 2005-12-08 04:52 pm UTC
Re: soccer mom mode - [info]suigin_kou, 2005-12-08 05:22 pm UTC
Re: soccer mom mode - [info]nightwng2000, 2005-12-08 05:37 pm UTC
Re: soccer mom mode - [info]hilaryduffgta, 2005-12-08 05:42 pm UTC
Re: soccer mom mode - [info]dkh, 2005-12-08 08:34 pm UTC
Re: soccer mom mode - [info]hilaryduffgta, 2005-12-09 06:55 am UTC
Re: soccer mom mode - [info]catch_33, 2005-12-08 10:13 pm UTC
Re: soccer mom mode - [info]evilrockstu, 2005-12-09 07:10 am UTC
Re: soccer mom mode - [info]godofyouall, 2005-12-09 03:14 pm UTC
Re: soccer mom mode - [info]evilrockstu, 2005-12-09 06:14 pm UTC

(Anonymous)
2005-12-08 01:30 pm UTC (link)
I have to agree though that Eibeler has dropped the ball repeatedly this year. You can be surethat he was instrumental in the decision to lie about the company's knowledge about Hot Coffee and that he has approved most of Rockstar's spoiled-brat like behaviour lately. They are were late in releasing several key titles this year, though some of those delays were probably beyond his control. Believe me, I'm on the side of the majority of people on this site, I'm just saying that Eibeler's corporate leadership through the hard year Take-Two has had could have been much better than it was. I would say there are probably far worse CEOs than him. How about the guys who ran Delphi into the ground and were giving themselves bonuses while laying off hundreds of people a month before Christmas?

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[info]chenry
2005-12-08 01:31 pm UTC (link)
Can't wait for JT to jump all over this.

Eibeler was named worst CEO not because of the content he's responsible for, but for his incredibly poor performance as a business leader.

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[info]silver_derstin
2005-12-08 01:52 pm UTC (link)
Is that what they call the proverbial "slap on the wrist" from the business world? I fear that Take-Two will have to look for a new CEO pretty soon, or even the free publicity they get from scandal will cost to much for them.

Personnaly, I think it's a good thing that Paul Eibeler is getting a little bad press. But the GTA fanboys will automatically discredit the report due to one or two lines they can pick at. Look at the bigger picture.

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[info]chenry
2005-12-08 02:17 pm UTC (link)
i kinda hope they look for a new CEO. this one's not very good.

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(no subject) - [info]theoneclaws, 2005-12-08 07:52 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]chenry, 2005-12-08 07:57 pm UTC

[info]drgrumbles
2005-12-08 02:13 pm UTC (link)
Not to mention that Take-Two's games completely suck ass. The only good thing that Take-two has done was getting me to look for the non-directors cut of "the warriors."

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Hey now!
(Anonymous)
2005-12-08 05:35 pm UTC (link)
Take-Two aquired Firaxis...or do you not like Pirates! or Civ4?

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Re: Hey now! - [info]gamepolitics, 2005-12-08 08:52 pm UTC
Re: Hey now! - [info]drgrumbles, 2005-12-08 09:40 pm UTC
Re: Hey now! - [info]catch_33, 2005-12-08 09:54 pm UTC
Re: Hey now! - [info]drgrumbles, 2005-12-08 09:38 pm UTC
Taking the message the wrong way
[info]the_ender87
2005-12-08 02:28 pm UTC (link)
To everyone bashing this guy. He isn't insulting Rockstar's games. He is talking about how bad and irresponcible their CEO is. And he is right. Quit acting like it is an attack on games.

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Re: Taking the message the wrong way
[info]inabottle
2005-12-09 11:21 am UTC (link)
More accurately, he's talking about the CEO of their publisher. You're allowing clueless jerks like Jack Thompson to bundle the developer and publisher together (because the developers are the ones who made the content they're attacking, and the publishers have the money they want to get their paws on) and it just doesn't go like that in the real world.

In other news, it sounds like the stockholders of Take Two ought to be pretty pissed right now- considering how successful Take Two is atm, it takes some pretty wildly poor management to lower stockholder trust- one of the ways to do it us undercut profit forcasts by 60%- Jesus, man!

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Maybe they do need a new CEO
[info]yukimurasanada
2005-12-08 02:29 pm UTC (link)
From the looks of it, Paul hasn't got the skillz for Finance that his company has for game production. Maybe it's time for some new leadership.

That being said, I have to wonder what there overall costs and revenue were, have to imagine that a big part of there trouble came from the Hot coffe stuff, but that can't be the only reason.

Still, as many copies as they sold, you'd fiqure they'd be doing better.

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Re: Maybe they do need a new CEO
[info]silver_derstin
2005-12-08 02:46 pm UTC (link)
Anyone has an idea how much money they make with every copy they sell? I'm pretty sure it's low, seeing how most corporations pull video games out at high rates or manage to sell derivate products to compensate.

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Re: Maybe they do need a new CEO - [info]inabottle, 2005-12-09 11:27 am UTC
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[info]sense7
2005-12-08 02:52 pm UTC (link)
Not that the Hot Coffee thing was all his fault, but they really did drop the ball with that.

I know everyone complains that it was a mod and not available with the retail release, but R* never should have left the code on the disc. They were asking for it.

I wonder if breaking unused code in games is a typical practice. Is that easier than just removing it from the game? Any programmers out there who could clear this up?

I'm asking because if a lot of developers choose to break code rather than remove it, there could be stuff in all kinds of games that affect the rating.

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Re: ...
(Anonymous)
2005-12-08 04:19 pm UTC (link)
Well, i've only dabbled in programming, so i'm no expert.

But yes, breaking a piece code is a lot easier then removing it entirely. It the code is clean, then all it really takes a few short lines of code to break a code. Simply breaking code also offers less chance of glitches.
Removing code would involve deleting hundreds of lines of code, and depending on how it was coded into the game, that code could be spread out through out the entire game code. and a problem here is that you need to do a through job, if you don't delete all the code involved you'll have unused code that could cause potenial glitches.
So ya, in short, breaking code is easier and is a lot less troublesome
Though i can't be sure on this... i'm no expert

What i really wonder is how the guys that unlocked hot coffee found out about it. I mean, you can't unlock something if you don't know it exists

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Re: ... - [info]wattsu, 2005-12-08 04:28 pm UTC
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unused code. - (Anonymous), 2005-12-08 09:06 pm UTC
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Re: ... - [info]jabrwock, 2005-12-08 09:02 pm UTC
Re: ... - [info]illspirit, 2005-12-08 05:20 pm UTC
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Re: ... - [info]inabottle, 2005-12-09 11:37 am UTC
Crappy Financial Performance
[info]tollwutig
2005-12-08 03:06 pm UTC (link)
Yeah that performance is pretty crappy. Also note that the guy isn't criticizing Grand Theft Auto he is mentioning that San Andreas getting an AO rating did nothing to help Take-Two's performance.
Also this is a FINANCIAL publication.. the readers of this publication are not likely to be able to distinguish GTA from Mario, much less one GTA from another. And really they don't need to be able to...they just need to see Take-two's financials are in the gutter, and one of the reasons is that they got an AO rating which is the equivalent of an NC17 rating on a movie which means it kills sales of said product.

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Not surprising
[info]jabrwock
2005-12-08 04:07 pm UTC (link)
It's not just the hiccups that TT's subsidiaries have had over the last year. Eibeler himself was apparently at the helm when Acclaim took a nose-dive.

I think they mentioned GTA's AO rating as just a "straw that broke the camel's back" type example, rather than "producing immoral games destroyed this company". GTA's rerating cost them millions they weren't ready to lose. Granted they'll probably make it back this holiday season, but it was a kick while they were down that they didn't need.

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Re: Not surprising
[info]catch_33
2005-12-08 04:12 pm UTC (link)
It's not just the hiccups that TT's subsidiaries have had over the last year. Eibeler himself was apparently at the helm when Acclaim took a nose-dive.

Yikes.

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Hmm...
[info]catch_33
2005-12-08 04:11 pm UTC (link)
I'm surprised. For once, a man of the industry is judged by his performance at his job, not the games he's responsible for. Good.

On a side note, as long as Rockstar can keep making games, I don't really care what happens to Take Two.

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Re: Hmm...
[info]jabrwock
2005-12-08 04:34 pm UTC (link)
On a side note, as long as Rockstar can keep making games, I don't really care what happens to Take Two.

TT's just the publisher, so I can see someone else picking up the pieces if they tank.

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Re: Hmm... - [info]catch_33, 2005-12-08 06:07 pm UTC
I'm ok with this article
[info]skemodan
2005-12-08 04:30 pm UTC (link)
Paul Eibler is an imbecile. Sorry, his company hasn't made a good game...ever. GTA sucked, I'll be the dissenting view in this, I hated the series, it got stale after 5 minutes. More importantly when you miss your earnings projections for every single quarter, you fail, sorry, the last company that did that was Enron and we all know what happened there.

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Re: I'm ok with this article
[info]silver_derstin
2005-12-08 04:34 pm UTC (link)
True, GTA is a rather bland game 80% of the time, being a sandbox game saving it from total averageness. And sadly enough, they'll keep on selling them as long as Take-Two/Rockstar doesn't die out from mismanagement.

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Re: I'm ok with this article - [info]jabrwock, 2005-12-08 04:39 pm UTC
Re: I'm ok with this article - (Anonymous), 2005-12-08 06:53 pm UTC
Re: I'm ok with this article - [info]jabrwock, 2005-12-08 09:00 pm UTC
Re: I'm ok with this article - [info]jabrwock, 2005-12-08 04:37 pm UTC
Re: I'm ok with this article - [info]chenry, 2005-12-08 04:41 pm UTC
Re: I'm ok with this article - [info]jabrwock, 2005-12-08 04:42 pm UTC
Re: I'm ok with this article - [info]metoollhead, 2005-12-08 05:41 pm UTC
Re: I'm ok with this article - [info]chenry, 2005-12-08 06:03 pm UTC
Re: I'm ok with this article - [info]kingnat, 2005-12-08 10:21 pm UTC
Re: I'm ok with this article - [info]catch_33, 2005-12-08 10:27 pm UTC

[info]blackwolfga
2005-12-08 04:31 pm UTC (link)
Ok, just so you guys know, he is a horrible CEO. In the standpoint of any company. Whether you like the products his company publishes or not, it doesn't change the fact that I wouldn't want to work under his leadership for any reason.

I'm more of the viewpoint that Rockstar and Take-Two have done more to hurt the industry in the interest of getting higher sales for themselves. If Rockstar and Take-Two weren't all "HAY GUYZ LOOK AT US WE R PUSHING THE ENVELOPE KEKEKE" then we wouldn't have the Family Entertainment Protection Act going into congress in a few weeks.

I mean, think about it. People are protesting Bully. Have we seen much about the game? No. It might not even be anywhere near as bad as anyone thinks. However, Rockstar and Take-Two are ROLLING in the free publicity they're getting, so of COURSE they're not gonna say what the game is really about. And because of this, the entire industry is now under a microscope from lawyers and politicians. Nobody says "Rockstar Games are evil", they say "Video Games are evil", which hurts the rest of the industry.

There's been a lot of great game design elements that have come out of the Take-Two family. (They also own 2K Games now.) There's been some quality products and some not-so-quality products that have come out of them. However, that doesn't change the fact that their CEO is pretty darn stupid and doesn't know how to run a company responsibly.

I completely agree with the "Worst CEO Of The Year" given to Mr. Eibeler.

-Bobby Blackwolf
Host, The Bobby Blackwolf Show

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[info]nightwng2000
2005-12-08 06:00 pm UTC (link)
I really hate lunch time writing. :: sigh ::

A lot of what I've heard is people, the most extreme ones especially, saying "video games are evil, and Rockstar is Satan" or "video games are evil and Rockstar is the proof". Rockstar IS getting the brunt of it.
However, it appears to be what you say in your second paragraph that is causing such statements to be made.

Though I don't like sound bites, as they don't convey the whole truth, a lot of my present day stances came from numerous lines from a multitude of television shows, fictional and non-fictional. So I apologize if I make reference to things you are not familiar with.

Based on your second paragraph, are you suggesting that though someone (Rockstar is the prime example) can produce games of such technological, graphical, and storyline quality, that they shouldn't just yet? Do you suggest that we NEVER push the envelope or merely slow it down, so as to allow the rest of those who are not as interested in such things to catch up to those advancements? The reference I'm of course making is a Star Trek one. Do we hold back advancement in certain areas simply because certain segments of society are not ready for it? Or do we completely deny the advancement to occur forever?

Rockstar seems to be the one saying "we can do it, so lets show everyone we can". A lot of people, you, Spector, and a few others here, sound like they are saying "we can, but lets take it slower, let everyone else catch up".
And still a few who say "we should NEVER cross into that area".

I'm just asking for more clarity.

Also, is that the only reason you believe the individual is a bad CEO? Because he did chose to move ahead, irregardless of whether anyone else was ready or not? Surely, if that is all, then there are many who have taken such risks to move ahead. But I suspect, though I may be wrong, that you feel there was more.

As to Bully, heh heh, speculation, speculation, speculation. Personally, I like the suspense. I really wanna know how "tongue and cheek" and "funny" as mentioned in several reviews comes into it for this game. And whether Gamespot's release date of April 1 is of any significance or not. :) Should be interesting.

nightwng2000

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(no subject) - [info]blackwolfga, 2005-12-08 07:40 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]nightwng2000, 2005-12-09 01:14 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]nightwng2000, 2005-12-09 01:15 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]catch_33, 2005-12-08 06:04 pm UTC
Here, here... - [info]mazinger_z, 2005-12-08 06:29 pm UTC
Re: Here, here... - [info]catch_33, 2005-12-08 06:54 pm UTC
Re: Here, here... - (Anonymous), 2005-12-08 07:59 pm UTC
Re: Here, here... - [info]catch_33, 2005-12-08 08:54 pm UTC
Re: Here, here... - [info]mazinger_z, 2005-12-08 08:57 pm UTC
Re: Here, here... - [info]catch_33, 2005-12-08 09:03 pm UTC
Re: Here, here... - [info]chicito21154, 2005-12-08 09:59 pm UTC
Re: Here, here... - [info]catch_33, 2005-12-08 10:02 pm UTC
Re: Here, here... - [info]chicito21154, 2005-12-08 10:07 pm UTC
Re: Here, here... - [info]catch_33, 2005-12-08 10:25 pm UTC
Now, what was I saying? - [info]suigin_kou, 2005-12-08 11:01 pm UTC
Re: Here, here... - [info]heimdal00, 2005-12-09 04:35 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]blackwolfga, 2005-12-08 07:44 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]catch_33, 2005-12-08 08:29 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]blackwolfga, 2005-12-08 08:36 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]catch_33, 2005-12-08 08:46 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]repsode, 2005-12-08 11:10 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]catch_33, 2005-12-09 04:09 am UTC
Rat, meet Terrier....
[info]goodrobotus
2005-12-08 06:29 pm UTC (link)
They just won't let this one go will they?

I hardly consider the Hot Coffee fiasco to be of the CEO's doing, and popularity and media coverage was far from his doing either, in fact.

I won't argue that he's not exactly competant looking at the financial ratings, but then, as far as I was concerned Rockstar *is* GTA, I'm not a hardcore gamer, but I couldn't name another title by them off the top of my head, except Bully, and that's not out yet.

Take Two is, in part, a victim of it's own programmers getting too carried away with putting Easter Eggs in, and it's management, I think, not regulating or checking the work properly, or with the current political climate in mind. But if this is the case, the machinery wasn't working properly, it's entirely possible that the CEO was completely unaware that Hot Coffee existed when the game was released.

I don't hold that this exonerates him from all blame, but the state and anyone else who happens to have an ax to grind will automatically turn to Rock* as an easy target.

Personally, I'd be interested to see a projection of unit sales worldwide of GTA:SA along a timeline with various events/court actions and civil actions against them or the game shown on the timeline, I'm interested to see the 'real' impact of these cases on Rockstar's unit sales.

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clear this up
[info]chenry
2005-12-08 06:56 pm UTC (link)
Take-Two did not program GTA; they only published it. Their subsidiary, Rockstar North created and coded all the GTA games, with the exception of Liberty City Stories (developed by Rockstar Leeds).

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Any Wall-Street Kids in here?
(Anonymous)
2005-12-08 07:34 pm UTC (link)
Would this trouble for Take-Two drop their share or stock prices or would the unabashed confidence they seem to present keep the prices up?

And would this be a good time to buy?

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Re: Any Wall-Street Kids in here?
[info]gamepolitics
2005-12-08 08:42 pm UTC (link)
It can't help their share price, which has already fallen $8-9 since Hot Coffee...

TTWO on NASDAQ

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Re: Any Wall-Street Kids in here? - [info]jabrwock, 2005-12-08 08:53 pm UTC

[info]automancer
2005-12-08 08:01 pm UTC (link)
I don't know much about Mr. Eibler as a CEO, but Take-Two has put out a few good games, namely, Civilization 3 and 4. I like those games. But, I don't really see this article as being an attack on games as it is, just a critical comment on the how the actual company is run.

-Auto

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[info]goldelite
2005-12-08 08:33 pm UTC (link)
Firaxis is a subsidiary of Take-Two?

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(no subject) - [info]jabrwock, 2005-12-08 08:42 pm UTC
I stand corrected - [info]jabrwock, 2005-12-08 09:24 pm UTC
Re: I stand corrected - [info]catch_33, 2005-12-08 09:56 pm UTC
Take-Two is a big company
[info]aresef
2005-12-08 08:56 pm UTC (link)
They have several divisions. Of them, Rockstar gave them the most bad press, obviously, but 2K Games has been very successful.

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BAD CEO
(Anonymous)
2005-12-08 10:19 pm UTC (link)
Eibeler is now up on CapitalLoser.com to rate as a CEO. So far, he has the lowest rating of any CEO.

No way I am investing in a co he runs.

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Re: BAD CEO
[info]evilrockstu
2005-12-08 11:46 pm UTC (link)
Hi Jack.

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Re: BAD CEO - (Anonymous), 2005-12-09 12:46 am UTC
Re: BAD CEO - [info]bustermanzero, 2005-12-09 02:24 am UTC
Witch Hunting 101
[info]mrfalcon
2005-12-08 10:42 pm UTC (link)
See, this just proves that Take-Two isn't the Great Satan that the media makes them out to be. Its a basic tenet of witch hunting: you burn the witch at the stake, and if she burns to death then she's NOT a witch because witches don't burn.

See, if Take-Two was in league with Satan, then said entity would come up out of the ground and shovel money up their butts and use their media puppets to write glowing articles about how brilliant they are.

Instead we discover that making violent videogames, far from turning an easy buck, is actually really hard work with a tremendous financial risk. Oops.

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Finacial flops, Record breaking games. Not hard to see where the problem is
[info]yukimurasanada
2005-12-08 10:45 pm UTC (link)
Take two has perhaps, one majore weakness in that it's arrogant. having has such massive success, thanks for GTA, it thought it could do whatever the heck it wanted and no one would bother it. Controversy was nothing new and they normally ignore it. But now, with the spotlight firmly on them, everything is being watched, and it's time they shape up or get someone better in charge.

I admire TAke two and it's various companies for the games they make, but there bussiness practice hasn't always been on the up and up. While I think the hot coffe shit was overblown and retarded, it was horribly mishandled by TAke two.

Having some programming understanding, I know that the code was left in cause it contained small pices of data that was used elsewhere in the games, inparticular animation cycles and enviroment maps that were used else where. That being said, the game could have been fixed with time to spare if they had actually thought to remove it. Though it's normal to just disable code and be done, something that bad, that they knew was gonna get them heat, should have been AXED from the start.

Anyway, Paul needs to go, and get someone with a bit more bussiness sense in his place. Also, someone with a bit more media relations skill wouldn't hurt either.

Still, Take 2 and Rockstar make some of the most popular and sought after games in the world. Give them time, and they'll be back on top again. What needs to change, is 3 things. Bussiness practice, Pr, and innovation. Enough with the GTA repeats. Lets get some new ideas going here.

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Re: Finacial flops, Record breaking games. Not hard to see where the problem is
(Anonymous)
2005-12-08 11:03 pm UTC (link)
I'm going with the capitalloser.com vote. He stays, I stay away, unless I am willing to short the co. This is a billion dollar company and Paul is the best they can do? Paul? I don't think so.

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You guys realise...
[info]evilrockstu
2005-12-08 11:55 pm UTC (link)
...that Paul Eibeler isn't the only guy in the gaming industry who's had to sail through troubled waters, and Take 2 aren't the only company falling on hard times this year, right?

Look at any gaming news site, even on the main news page of Gamespot I can pick more than a handful of stories on companies failing to meet expectations (even the big ones like Activision and EA), how companies can't generate the revenue to support even their biggest IPs, how development has become too much of a hardship so very few titles in the next year will actually make any money, how the market has had zero growth this year... this is not the work of Paul Eibeler and Paul Eibeler alone. I hate to play the Devil's Advocate, but the MarketWatch article sounds to me as much like bandwagon jumping as anything else. Why aren't Midway on the front page of Gamepolitics? Why aren't Majesco's failures breaking news? Why does no-one care that Activision's share prices are falling like rocks? I'll tell you why - because he is Pail Eibeler of Take 2 interactive, publisher of the controversial Grand Theft Auto games, that's why.

By the way, the quality of Grand Theft Auto, or any of Take 2 game's other releases, is entirely subjective... and not entirely relevant to the subject at hand, if relevant at all. It's not big and clever to keep going on about how much you dislike them just because they've been in the spotlight this year, and for the record, people like Jack Thompson don't care what you think of them, as long as you play any form of videogame.

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Re: You guys realise...
[info]evilrockstu
2005-12-08 11:56 pm UTC (link)
Ghah, this bit got deleted from the end of my message for some reason: Take 2 also aren't just Rockstar Games, they have others like the 2K line (who publish the Civilization games), and they even have a publishing division dedicated to kids games.

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Re: You guys realise... - (Anonymous), 2005-12-09 12:49 am UTC
Re: You guys realise... - [info]evilrockstu, 2005-12-09 01:16 am UTC
It's the Jack sub-in. - [info]suigin_kou, 2005-12-09 03:05 am UTC
Re: It's the Jack sub-in. - (Anonymous), 2005-12-09 03:33 pm UTC
See, that's what I mean. - [info]suigin_kou, 2005-12-09 07:56 pm UTC

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