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National PTA Disses NIMF Annual Video Game Report Card

A contentious week continues...

The National Parent-Teacher Association (PTA) has released a statement critical of the Annual Video Game Report Card issued on Tuesday by the National Institute on Media and the Family.

According to the PTA, "The 10th Annual MediaWise Video and Computer Game Report Card, released yesterday by the National Institute on Media and the Family (NIMF), contained erroneous statements about National PTA's position on the Entertainment Software Rating Board's (ESRB) rating system. In fact, National PTA does not endorse NIMF's report. Further, it does not agree with the reports characterization of ESRB and its rating system."

"National PTA works with groups like the ESRB to provide information about the rating system to assist parents and children so they can make an informed decision in purchase and game play. National PTA continues to ensure parents are informed and retailers enforce the rules.
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With nearly 6 million members, the National PTA is the largest volunteer parent organization in the United States. So what is the PTA concerned about? The Annual Video Game Report Card was highly critical of the ESRB, awarding the ratings board a grade of "F". The report card mentions the PTA in this paragraph:

"In response to the ESRB's recent failure, the National Institute on Media and the Family will convene a summit next year on video game ratings with the leading national organizations dedicated to children's health and welfare, including Children Now, the National PTA, and the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry. We plan to issue and endorse a set of ratings recommendations."

The ESRB was naturally pleased. President Patricia Vance told GamePolitics, "The ESRB greatly values the support expressed by the National PTA. It is in the best interests of parents that we find ways to work cooperatively in educating the public about the ESRB ratings, and the National PTA is a pivotal partner in that regard."

Confused? You're not alone. GamePolitics has received information that may provide a bit of context on the PTA-NIMF story. A knowledgeable source cautions that it would be hasty to conclude that the PTA would rather see a ratings board controlled by the video game industry over an independent one. What's more, the PTA has supported various bills aimed at restricting the sale of M-rated video games to underage children. In California, for example, the state PTA was very active in promoting Leland Yee's recent successful game legislation. According to our source, it could simply be that NIMF did a very sloppy job in conveying its message. By mentioning that the National PTA would participate in a video game ratings summit, NIMF created the impression that the organization endorsed all of the NIMF report's conclusions.




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[info]howdoyouplead
2005-12-02 08:37 pm UTC (link)
Sweet. Go PTA!

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[info]kajex
2005-12-02 08:37 pm UTC (link)
...
Pwnt?

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[info]djtyrant
2005-12-02 08:38 pm UTC (link)
Woha! Someone has grown some balls.

~JimmY

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Holy crap, the PTA is Best Buy's bitch!
[info]jabrwock
2005-12-02 08:38 pm UTC (link)
/sarcasm

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[info]sir_bissel
2005-12-02 08:40 pm UTC (link)
Every time I see NIMF, I always think it's an acronym for "Neighbor I Might" You get the idea...

So who are we supposed to believe? NIMF or the PTA?

... And does anyone else think this is sounding more and more like a bad soap opera?

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[info]jindewinter
2005-12-02 08:55 pm UTC (link)
"Every time I see NIMF, I always think it's an acronym for "Neighbor I Might" You get the idea..."

Lol thanks for helping me test out if my monitor was soda proof.

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(no subject) - [info]s13scoops, 2005-12-02 09:35 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]phrogg, 2005-12-03 03:49 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]matt0677, 2005-12-03 03:47 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]phrogg, 2005-12-03 08:36 pm UTC
Checking the stats here...
[info]bustermanzero
2005-12-02 08:40 pm UTC (link)
We've got the ESB, the ESRB, and the PTA against three government officials and the NIMF.

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Re: Checking the stats here...
(Anonymous)
2005-12-02 09:12 pm UTC (link)
don't forget the courts

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*gasp*
[info]aresef
2005-12-02 08:43 pm UTC (link)
What's that I hear in the distance...could it be.....


"Ohhh snap!"

...why yes it is.

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[info]kajex
2005-12-02 08:48 pm UTC (link)
One might mention that those government officials aren't very well-liked. I know that we hate Arnold over here.

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[info]bigman_k
2005-12-02 08:49 pm UTC (link)
Good news for us. Also for the fact that this is also coming from a group that isn't really pro-gaming to being with.

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oops
[info]jabrwock
2005-12-02 08:50 pm UTC (link)
In response to the ESRB's recent failure, the National Institute on Media and the Family will convene a summit next year on video game ratings with the leading national organizations dedicated to children's health and welfare, including Children Now, the National PTA, and the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry. We plan to issue and endorse a set of ratings recommendations.

"We meant to say we were going to invite them, but we thought we could get away with wording it so that it sounded like they endorsed our position as well..."

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Something out of JT's Play Book?
[info]jindewinter
2005-12-02 08:54 pm UTC (link)
"We meant to say we were going to invite them, but we thought we could get away with wording it so that it sounded like they endorsed our position as well..."

Sounds like something JT would say/do

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Cue Jack Thompson, stage left...
[info]radblackrose
2005-12-02 08:54 pm UTC (link)
I think the NIMF is eating a little crow right about now after what happened when they attempted to disassociate themselves from Jack over his commentary...

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Credibility going... going... gone
[info]illspirit
2005-12-02 09:01 pm UTC (link)
Wee, yet another lie from NIMF. First they never noticed all the flesg eating zombies in the Resident Evils when they reviewed them, now this. Maybe they actually did Jack a favor by shunning him....

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Re: Credibility going... going... gone
[info]jbourrie
2005-12-02 09:05 pm UTC (link)
Now cmon, they made an ignorant report, but they still have a long way to go before they beat JT in the douchebag department.

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Anyone else laughing the guts out right now
[info]yukimurasanada
2005-12-02 09:05 pm UTC (link)
The largest parental group in the country is telling NImf to STFU. Thats music ot my ears after there little BS report card.

BTW.

Dennis, wanted to give you kudos for standing up to jack and his little tirade earlier. You got more integrity and decency then he could ever hope to have, and I'm glad your the one providing the news, cause at least you do it right.

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Re: Anyone else laughing the guts out right now
[info]chuma
2005-12-02 09:38 pm UTC (link)
Agreed. Dennis has given Jack more leeway than any one of us here would expect to receive ourselves and still Jack throws the rattle out of the pram when the coverage on here is negative or showing him to be at odds with himself.

I do think that it would do us all the world of good to stop focusing on 1 idiotic lawyer and instead on what we really want from gaming culture. There is no doubt that as the medium becomes more and more immersive and realistic that some restrictions need to be put in place, much like other branches of science and technology have had imposed (genetics, medicine, etc).

I would hate for our pasttime to begin to justify the right wing rants that are being thrown about at the moment, and I think the best way forward is to find an mutually agreeable method of preventing minors buying mature titles without parental/guardian consent, whilst not infringing on the rights of adults and the spirit of freedom of speech.

However, having said the above, I fail to see why similar means should not be imposed against other media. Why should the film industry not be applicable? Maybe because they are afraid to go after a theoretically more powerful organisation. If the Games Industry can prove that all measures imposed against it must be imposed against the film industry, then the political activism will dissipate and people like Clinton will have to compromise much more carefully with all interests of the parties involved in mind.


Sorry... not sure where agreeing Jack T. was being a douche-bag to Dennis turned into a rant :>

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Re: Anyone else laughing the guts out right now - [info]blue_commander, 2005-12-02 09:48 pm UTC
Re: Anyone else laughing the guts out right now - [info]keddren, 2005-12-02 10:02 pm UTC
Re: Anyone else laughing the guts out right now - [info]keddren, 2005-12-02 10:16 pm UTC

(Anonymous)
2005-12-02 09:14 pm UTC (link)
This just made my day. Thank you GP.

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[info]albedo777
2005-12-02 09:16 pm UTC (link)
haha this was supposed to be me, but my stupid LJ decided anonymous was a better name.

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[info]maldron
2005-12-02 09:20 pm UTC (link)
Well, it looks like this "wall of united groups" that i've been more or less fearing will drown out our voices isn't very well-built. NIMF renounces Thompson, the National PTA disagrees with NIMF and says their name was used without any real communication between the groups... Yeah, it's easlier to laugh about it than fear any of it now.

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This is getting weird...
[info]catch_33
2005-12-02 09:24 pm UTC (link)
First NIMF disses JT, then the ESRB disses NIMF. Then the PTA disses NIMF as well. But not because they dissed JT.

Oh look at that, I've gone cross-eyed...

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fragmentation continues
[info]fox_01
2005-12-02 09:25 pm UTC (link)
It's interesting to watch the various "video game watchdog" factions continue to fragment in much the same way the American pseudo-conservative "morality" movement has been. I think it really needs to be reinforced on this issue that the sides are not "right/conservative/republican" vs. "left/liberal/democrat" but rather between the authoritarian forces on the left and right of the traditional single-axis U.S. political spectrum, and the currently under-represented libertarian (as in the ideal, not the party) faction.

I was always amused to see the NIMF get accolades around here for distancing themselves from JT, to be honest, as I've been aware of the NIMF as hard-lobbying anti-entertainment wingnut group for longer than I've know who JT was. Sure, they're less likely to be seen with actual, physical bats flying in and out of their ears than he is, but that comparison is like saying something is "slightly drier than the ocean."

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Sweet!
[info]nightfire12020
2005-12-02 09:31 pm UTC (link)
Anouther group is telling those pompas asses to STFU? I'm all for it! Heh and I always thought the PTA was full of adults who were out of touch with the youth of today. ^^;

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10,000 sides
[info]skemodan
2005-12-02 09:37 pm UTC (link)
The problem is that there are suddenly 10 sides to a seemingly Black and White issue.

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[info]bringoutyurdead
2005-12-02 09:37 pm UTC (link)
It's nice to see an organization that has their head screwed on tight. Go PTA. I really think the ESRB has done a great job with the rating system. They have the rating clearly posted and they give a description of the content for why the game got the rating it did. It's not the ESRB's fault that there are lazy parents that can't be bother monitoring what their children buy/

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Excuse Me, But ...
[info]game_law
2005-12-02 09:41 pm UTC (link)
Far be it for me to interrupt when those on the other side have formed a circular firing squad, but I'm not sure I understand the PTA's beef. I don't see where NIMF said PTA endorsed their report or what erroneous statements were made about the PTA position on the ESRB ratings.

Having said that, let them fire away.

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Re: Excuse Me, But ...
[info]brianj012
2005-12-02 09:47 pm UTC (link)
I think it is because the NIMF mentioned them in an ambiguous manner. Rather than let the NIMF reinforce the perception later with more ambiguous statements, they decided to nip it in the bud nice and early.

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Re: Excuse Me, But ... - [info]game_law, 2005-12-02 09:53 pm UTC
Re: Excuse Me, But ... - [info]jabrwock, 2005-12-02 10:17 pm UTC
Re: Excuse Me, But ... - [info]jbourrie, 2005-12-02 09:51 pm UTC
Re: Excuse Me, But ... - [info]kajex, 2005-12-02 09:56 pm UTC
Re: Excuse Me, But ... - [info]jbourrie, 2005-12-02 10:46 pm UTC
Re: Excuse Me, But ... - (Anonymous), 2005-12-02 09:58 pm UTC
Still not helping...
[info]getwellgamer
2005-12-02 09:54 pm UTC (link)
Oy yoi yoi...

This isn't helping either. The further splintering and infighting is only slowing progress down.

Remember when we all cheered NIMF's praises when they disowned Jacky-boy? Who's singing their praises now?

While any sensible group would want to distance themselves from Jack's ego-fueled hate machine, the constant bickering and backstabbing and press release, rebuttals, and re-rebuttals aren't getting anyone any ccloser to any conclusion besides "This is a mess."

What we need is a mediator who has the political pull and influence as well as the gaming know-how and experience to get everyone on a same page and working on what's best for the children instead of trying to grab for each other's throats.

--Ryan Sharpe
President, The Get-Well Gamers Foundation
www.get-well-gamers.org/

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Re: Still not helping...
[info]baconninja
2005-12-02 10:24 pm UTC (link)
Have anyone in mind?

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Re: Still not helping... - [info]getwellgamer, 2005-12-02 10:26 pm UTC
Re: Still not helping... - [info]jabrwock, 2005-12-02 10:28 pm UTC
Re: Still not helping... - [info]jbourrie, 2005-12-02 10:41 pm UTC
Re: Still not helping... - [info]mrfalcon, 2005-12-03 02:05 am UTC
Re: Still not helping... - [info]getwellgamer, 2005-12-03 02:50 am UTC
Re: Still not helping... - [info]mrfalcon, 2005-12-03 11:56 pm UTC
Re: Still not helping... - [info]sqlrob, 2005-12-03 03:09 am UTC

[info]gasperskeltner
2005-12-02 09:55 pm UTC (link)
Interesting times we live in.

NIMF needs to respond. Ought to be interesting.

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[info]bitnine
2005-12-02 09:57 pm UTC (link)
Well, it's not hard to see why there's some division on the issue. The NPTA wants to use the ESRB system as a tool to better educate and aid parents in making decisions. However, NIMF's attack on the ratings system as hopelessly broken undermines its current use. I would imagine that the NPTA wants to be in a more nonconfrontational stance to implement some incremental changes to address any particular concerns they might have.

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'Tis an odd week.
[info]tsknf
2005-12-02 10:07 pm UTC (link)
Bully idiots over here is back, Jack thompson made three promises to leave GP forever in 24 hours, the NIMF and ERSB went head to head and to top it all off the 360 is already freakign sold out. Oh well. This is a good story anyway.

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