Game Politics ([info]gamepolitics) wrote,
@ 2005-11-25 10:57:00
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Random Thoughts on Jack Thompson's Book

First, let me say that this is not a review - GP will leave that task to others. But I did get a pretty long look at Jack Thompson's new book over the last couple of days. Here are some random thoughts:

Out of Harm's Way is nicely bound, if those kind of things are important to you. Good quality paper, including heavy-grade black pages between the covers and the main body of the book.

Nothing is really mentioned about video game issues until about halfway through the book, when Jack is drawn into the Paducah school shooting case. There are chapters concerning Howard Stern, Ollie North, 2 Live Crew, and the Fayette, Alabama GTA triple murder. The author's strong conservative religious leanings are firmly in evidence throughout.

Jack seems quite impressed with fellow game violence critic Col. Dave Grossman. Reading his descriptions of conversations he had with Grossman made GP think back to a few occasions when, posting here at GamePolitics, Jack has ended his messages with the Army Ranger "hoo-ah!" After reading the Grossman quotes in the book, GP guesses that JT may have picked this up from the former Army officer, who seems to end every sentence with it.

Finally, Out of Harm's Way wraps up with a chapter titled "25 Culture War Tips From the Trenches." These include things like: "Make Friends," "Remember That It's Not About You," "Pick Fights You Can Win," "Be Mean," "Take the Offensive," "Set a Deadline," "Use the Media to Your Advantage," "Trust No One," and "Don't Be Afraid to Go It Alone."

Jack manages to squeeze in a few words about Hot Coffee, Bully and The Warriors in the last couple of pages. GamePolitics did not come in for a mention. Oh well, maybe in the sequel...




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Jack Thompson Here
(Anonymous)
2005-11-25 10:17 pm UTC (link)
Dennis, I appreciate all this. Let me note a few things, if I may.

1. I got the "Hooah" from Al Pacino in Scent of a Woman, which brought that military slang to the masses, of which I am a part.

2. The above critique by the person who didn't read the book is sort of funny, as it encapsulates the video gamer's kneejerk response to me and the book. "Be mean" is explained. That's why you buy the book, to understand what the phrase means. No, "be mean" does not go against my Christian beliefs as it relates to warfare, culture warfare, that some Christians are called to. David was "mean" to Goliath. Sorry to break the news to you.

3. I have lost no friends in any of this. I love the assumption by folks who don't even know me that they know who my friends are. My fervent prayer is always "God don't give me more friends. Just give me more stupid enemies. In the video game industry and its mindless pixelantes, God continually answers that prayer.

4. Finally, the book is very little about video games. That is why the "reviews" by nerds who never read the book made me chuckle in their rants about my book as a full-scale attack on games. The book is about my spiritual journey and my flaws that that journey has exposed. That journey began in 1976, long before the jerks who run Take 2 were adult sociopaths.

Dennis, thanks for taking the trouble to read the book. It's doing so well that Tyndale House has decided to go with its second printing.

As to Alabama, by the way, the fireworks are just about to begin. Stay tuned. Oh, and I'm working on my second book with a liberal friend and its called Social Activisim 101: How to Become a Public Nuisance.

I am sure most readers here would admit I'm just that. HOOAH!

Jack Thompson

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Re: Jack Thompson Here
(Anonymous)
2005-11-25 11:24 pm UTC (link)
Sure you're a public nuisance, the general public outside the gaming community hardly knows you exist.

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Re: Jack Thompson Here
[info]purplecharger
2005-11-26 06:19 am UTC (link)
"...the general public outside the gaming community hardly knows you exist."

I can vouch for that there is only one friend that I haven't had to explain who Jack was, trust me.

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Group Psychosis Extant at GamePolitics
(Anonymous)
2005-11-26 11:32 am UTC (link)
People outside the gaming community hardly know I exist? Honey, I was on 80 national television programs before I ever wrote this book. That explains, Dennis, why you're not in the book, and it also rebuts the comical assertion that this book "was rushed to print in order to take advantage of Thompson's notoriety." Tyndale signed me to the book deal 18 months ago.

As to my religion as a crutch, Jesus is no crutch. He created the universe. Glad to know him. You all would do well to do the same. Hooah! The silliness here is so thick I'm gone for awhile, Dennis. See what you can do to alleviate the group mental dyspepsia here, won't you. It's like an entire kindergarten class on mescaline. Jack Thompson

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Re: Jack Thompson Here
[info]catch_33
2005-11-25 11:31 pm UTC (link)
2. The above critique by the person who didn't read the book is sort of funny, as it encapsulates the video gamer's kneejerk response to me and the book. "Be mean" is explained. That's why you buy the book, to understand what the phrase means. No, "be mean" does not go against my Christian beliefs as it relates to warfare, culture warfare, that some Christians are called to. David was "mean" to Goliath. Sorry to break the news to you.

This is why I don't care for religion. Any idiot with an agenda can twist things around in it to justify what they do, and ostracize others for incorporating the same or similar tactics. You people are not human. You're parasites.

3. I have lost no friends in any of this. I love the assumption by folks who don't even know me that they know who my friends are. My fervent prayer is always "God don't give me more friends. Just give me more stupid enemies. In the video game industry and its mindless pixelantes, God continually answers that prayer.

None of your enemies are stupid JT, and you know that. Your insults towards others are merely attempts at taking the sting out of your own defeats.

Dennis, thanks for taking the trouble to read the book. It's doing so well that Tyndale House has decided to go with its second printing.

I highly doubt that.

As to Alabama, by the way, the fireworks are just about to begin. Stay tuned.

You mean your attempt to have all copies of GTA seized? Good luck with that one. Even if you somehow succeed, it's going to backfire severely. I'm sure I don't need to explain why.

Oh, and I'm working on my second book with a liberal friend and its called Social Activisim 101: How to Become a Public Nuisance. I am sure most readers here would admit I'm just that.

Was that sarcasm? Or was JT typing aloud just now?

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Re: Jack Thompson Here
(Anonymous)
2005-11-25 11:44 pm UTC (link)
the fireworks...the part where you get disbarred for inappropriate behavior, or the part where you're ignored?

I really love how you somehow think that throwing insults at anyone who disagrees with you somehow indicates you're right. it's not hard for people to call you ignorant, insane, and annoying, and just be accurately describing you from your activities, let alone actually just throwing insults at you like how you're socially retarded, probably inbred, and have latent homosexual tendencies.

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Re: Jack Thompson Here
[info]speckman
2005-11-26 12:05 am UTC (link)
I have lost no friends in any of this. I love the assumption by folks who don't even know me that they know who my friends are. My fervent prayer is always "God don't give me more friends. Just give me more stupid enemies. In the video game industry and its mindless pixelantes, God continually answers that prayer.

Well then, I could say ' we aren't the stupid ones you are' but that would conform to your little stereotypes. So I'm not saying it, I'm just not denying it.

Dennis, thanks for taking the trouble to read the book. It's doing so well that Tyndale House has decided to go with its second printing.

Then how do you explain your poor reveiws? No, don't answer, because I already know. Of course, that doesn't mean your answer is right...Anyway, I look forward to reading your 'book', it should be the funniest piece of fiction I'll read for a while.

The above critique by the person who didn't read the book is sort of funny, as it encapsulates the video gamer's kneejerk response to me and the book. "Be mean" is explained. That's why you buy the book, to understand what the phrase means. No, "be mean" does not go against my Christian beliefs as it relates to warfare, culture warfare, that some Christians are called to. David was "mean" to Goliath. Sorry to break the news to you.

You know, I don't like you. The main reason for this is your hiding behind your religion, like it'll protect you from smarter (read: everyone else) people. Stop being a leech.

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Re: Jack Thompson Here
(Anonymous)
2005-11-26 01:47 am UTC (link)
Jack,
So how about you give me a response on my debate challenge? Every time you post here from now on I'm going to bring it up until I hear an answer from you - whether it be here or via email. I'll be asking other people to do the same thing until I hear back from you. Until then, I stand by my statement that you are a coward and an insult to all the legitimate Christians I know.

Patrick Moran
Azure45@gmail.com

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Re: Jack Thompson Here
(Anonymous)
2005-11-26 01:55 am UTC (link)
Jacko, please don't keep digging your hole deeper, because one day you will have to jump in it, and just incase the concept of gravity isn't clear you, the farther you fall the harder you hit. And in defence your book, the people who left those comments probably should have read the book first, before bashign on it like that, but granted majority of those people where probably under the age of 13! So, congradulations Jack you where able to over come the comments of a bunch of pimply-faced pre-teens! And Jack, somehow I don't think God approves of wanting peopel to make enemies, because somehow I think he would rather us all just get along like normal human beings! Why not join us in that!

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Re: Jack Thompson Here
[info]chuma
2005-11-26 02:16 am UTC (link)
"2. The above critique by the person who didn't read the book is sort of funny, as it encapsulates the video gamer's kneejerk response to me and the book. "Be mean" is explained. That's why you buy the book, to understand what the phrase means. No, "be mean" does not go against my Christian beliefs as it relates to warfare, culture warfare, that some Christians are called to. David was "mean" to Goliath. Sorry to break the news to you."

So you approve of killing if it is a Christian doing the killing just as long as it's not one that has played a computer game before? Surely if the Bible depicts violence and murder as a good thing like in the case of David, it is promoting that which you seek to prevent due to GTA? Isn't your religion just as reproachable as our simple pasttime? Further more as a Christian you believe these events to have actually taken place. So in other words, you approve of the ACTUAL KILLING of a man, but disapprove of the SIMULATION of such in a game? I find this somewhat of a disturbing revelation Mr. Thompson...


"3. I have lost no friends in any of this. I love the assumption by folks who don't even know me that they know who my friends are. My fervent prayer is always "God don't give me more friends. Just give me more stupid enemies. In the video game industry and its mindless pixelantes, God continually answers that prayer."

Hitler had friends too. What exactly is your point here? Furthermore, any man who would prefer to have enemies rather than friends is attention seeking and possibly disturbed. This would however explain your behaviour in inciting people on here and in your frequent press releases. (sidenote here, outside of the gaming press, does anyone actually print his releases? The Newspaper in Alabama covering the court action doesn't count)

I know you would love to paint us all as mindless and stupid, much like those who made and watch horror films were made out to be back in the 80's but the truth is that those who play games cover too wide a spectrum for that gross misrepresentation. I personally have an IQ of about 140 (might be more, but the system or determining the IQ of a person is somewhat inaccurate beyond 2 standard deviations) but I'm sure others have greater and lesser intelligence. We come from all walks of life from Sports to IT and from the Arts to Science (and that is just the people in my flat).


"Dennis, thanks for taking the trouble to read the book. It's doing so well that Tyndale House has decided to go with its second printing."

Strange. I do recall you describing your book as being 'still-born'. Infact your book has dropped to below over #200,000 in Amazon's lists. You have to face facts Jack. The people who are currently interested in you have been insulted, antagonised, dismissed and belittled by you. You. A lawyer who has brought shame on his profession with his antics, and given the state that your profession is in already, is quite a heavy insult.


"As to Alabama, by the way, the fireworks are just about to begin. Stay tuned. Oh, and I'm working on my second book with a liberal friend and its called Social Activisim 101: How to Become a Public Nuisance."

You are indeed a public nuisance, much like the crazy people who get on a bus and persist in shouting loudly at people about anything that comes into their minds. Most will ignore you. Those who do listen will most likely be annoyed by you. Only the odd person out to humour you or the occasional fellow crazy will agree with you.


"HOOAH!"

Indeed you are Jack. A big fat Media 'Hooah'.

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Re: Jack Thompson Here mindless?
[info]blue_commander
2005-11-26 02:27 am UTC (link)
"My fervent prayer is always "God don't give me more friends. Just give me more stupid enemies. In the video game industry and its mindless pixelantes, God continually answers that prayer."

mindless hmm? Just because i rented the warriors (i Liked the movie too!) means that i am mindless? Oh and your little "god" thing, I dont believe in god. A life after death yeah but theres no evidence of "god". Also do you pray at night "oh please make people who play games more dumber than i am" Tell me can you talk and blink at the same time?

"Finally, the book is very little about video games. That is why the "reviews" by nerds who never read the book made me chuckle in their rants about my book as a full-scale attack on games. The book is about my spiritual journey and my flaws that that journey has exposed. That journey began in 1976, long before the jerks who run Take 2 were adult sociopaths."

wait a minute how do you know there nerds? Just because you think that they OBVIOUSLY have to be nerds. Your Spiritual Journey hmm? you mean your journey to the liqouir store and back? Honestly i think your a loon and a media ***** (censored for all young readers lol) but hey i could be wrong and or could be right. And last time i checked your book was selling about 5 books a week. i havent checked lately due to school but ill do the math later!

Just my 2 cents.

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As normal, jack is completely unable to comprehend
[info]yukimurasanada
2005-11-26 03:46 am UTC (link)
See jack, once again you prove your stupidity. I did indeed read your book, though I was smart enoough to not pay for it. The internet is a wonderful think in that regard.

Oh, and don't BS me that you haven't lost friends. NIMF, Clintion,SCHUMER. Have they so much as spoken to you in the past 4 months? NO.

David was not mean to goliath. He killed him yes, but only because there was no choice. He would have prefered not to take his life, but goliath was intent and murdering anyone who got in his path.

The last few sections of the book deal in some level with your current campaign. I found the so called "Spirtual" part of it to be an irritating smoke screen. No christan would ever behave as you do. You just use religon as a shield. Perhaps, back before your little war began, you might have been able to keep true to those ideals, but you've long since discarded them for hatred and stupidity.

And don't BS us about a second book. Your first is tanking horribly right now, yu'll be lucky if you make enough to pay of the publisher. Though I will admit, you are a public nuisance.

And don't try to act like you have a prayer in alabama, your right proper fucked JT, and you know it.

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Re: As normal, jack is completely unable to comprehend
[info]catch_33
2005-11-26 04:20 am UTC (link)
See jack, once again you prove your stupidity. I did indeed read your book, though I was smart enoough to not pay for it. The internet is a wonderful think in that regard.

He knows people read it. He just likes to insult us.

Oh, and don't BS me that you haven't lost friends. NIMF, Clintion,SCHUMER. Have they so much as spoken to you in the past 4 months? NO.

It's part of his front. If he acts all depressed, we win. He can't have that. This charade is going to last until his passing, I assure you.

David was not mean to goliath. He killed him yes, but only because there was no choice. He would have prefered not to take his life, but goliath was intent and murdering anyone who got in his path.

Yep, a far cry from JT. He'd relish the chance to have all our favorite games taken from us. He'd enjoy it if Rockstrar were to go bankrupt and all the employees become jobless. He can't justify that with religious rambling. He can't claim it's for our own good, because the amount of people committing violent acts and such is extremely disproportionate to the amount of gamers in the U.S. alone. He's bitter old failure of a man. Period.

The last few sections of the book deal in some level with your current campaign. I found the so called "Spirtual" part of it to be an irritating smoke screen. No christan would ever behave as you do. You just use religon as a shield. Perhaps, back before your little war began, you might have been able to keep true to those ideals, but you've long since discarded them for hatred and stupidity.

JT has a severely warped sense of his religion, probably brought upon by his dependency on it.

And don't BS us about a second book. Your first is tanking horribly right now, you'll be lucky if you make enough to pay of the publisher. Though I will admit, you are a public nuisance.

If he includes enough religious nonsense, he can get another book published. But will it sell? No.

And don't try to act like you have a prayer in alabama, your right proper fucked JT, and you know it.

Success will only bring him greater failure in this case. The industry isn't going to let that shit slide. JT can talk all he wants to, we all know how his track record is with the industry. This could very well be the final nail in his career's coffin.

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Re: As normal, jack is completely unable to comprehend
[info]dividebydesu
2005-11-26 05:34 am UTC (link)
read without paying eh, do indulge =)

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Re: Jack Thompson Here
[info]lowe0 [deadjournal]
2005-11-26 06:10 am UTC (link)
mindless pixelantes


Ad hominem. When will you learn that real debate does not mean insulting your opponents?

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Re: Jack Thompson Here
[info]catch_33
2005-11-26 06:17 am UTC (link)
He's not interested in debating. He's only interested in being as much of a nuisance to the game industry, and us, as possible. He's not capable of anything else, and he knows it.

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Re: Jack Thompson Here
[info]ryukisargi
2005-11-26 07:32 am UTC (link)
I get the feeling this isn't really Jack Thompson.
There's no way his book has sold that well, I've kept track of this, Books a Million and Barnes and Noble, the two main bookstores of the US, have sold less then 20,000 copies of this book. Quite possibly less. :/

I know the regional manager of my area, so that's why I know this.

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Re: Jack Thompson Here
[info]catch_33
2005-11-26 08:04 am UTC (link)
Oh that's JT all right. Feel kind of loserly that I can actually tell. I mean, should I really be spending so much time in the vicinity of hearing about this guy's action and words? It doesn't pay to be ignorant, but still.

Anyhoo, JT's a known liar/exaggerator/spinner. He wants us to think our actions have had no effect on his ability to spread his awful message, and in a way he's right: His own actions have done that. :P

This just what JT does. He can never admit the truth. It's a bigger enemy to him than any form of violent entertainment. And I have no doubt that it's what's going to put an end to his crusade. The truth about his antics has already put his bar association at risk. As long as he keeps denying it, it's just going to get worse and worse.

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Re: Jack Thompson Here
[info]phantompvp
2005-11-26 08:38 am UTC (link)
Jack, considering how little research you always seem to do, and how little you actually read posts (such as the one above where the poster clearly states he read your book, and later follows up with additional info from the pages of your tome)... trust us, we're very thankful for you. You keep trying to be the Frederick Wertham of the new millenium, but your temper and rashness holds you back. If you had an ounce of restraint, you'd be dangerous. Instead, you're merely entertainment.

Truth be told, I find reading your antics to be way more fun than I found GTA to be.

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Re: Jack Thompson Here
[info]joshdavis271
2005-11-26 09:19 am UTC (link)
A flea more like it, haha, anyways I will hold my tongue til I get to read your book then I will tell you all what I think.

Yes jack you have lost friends, and no we are not stupid or mindless, we actually do the reasearch, we also read both sides of the situations and still stand our ground, we ahve proven many studies wrong.By our actions alone, we will beat you, alabama is a lost cause for you.

See you at your next failed disaster.

Josh Davis(Seeker Of Truth
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A flea more like it, haha, anyways I will hold my tongue til I get to read your book then I will tell you all what I think.

Yes jack you have lost friends, and no we are not stupid or mindless, we actually do the reasearch, we also read both sides of the situations and still stand our ground, we ahve proven many studies wrong.By our actions alone, we will beat you, alabama is a lost cause for you.

See you at your next failed disaster.

Josh Davis(Seeker Of Truth<Jack got him a title so I made my own haha.>)

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A reprint?
[info]shaun_skipper
2005-11-26 04:23 pm UTC (link)
Ok. Well, apparently his publisher is going to run a second print, but... What Mr. Thompson does not tell us is how many were published in the initial run. The initial print run could have been as low as 1000 copies. I just don't know that a second printing really proves the book is a success.

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Re: A reprint?
[info]yukimurasanada
2005-11-26 04:32 pm UTC (link)
Given the abyssmal sales ratings on amazon, and the fact that he's selling less then five books a week on a website with millions upons millions of viewers weekly, I'd say odds are good he's BSing again shaun.

Until we can get some actual book sales numbers, no real way to know the over all sales.

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2nd printing...
(Anonymous)
2005-11-26 11:52 pm UTC (link)
Just thought I'd throw this out there, since I work in publishing and know a bit about this.

The fact that a book is going into a 2nd printing due to initial sales is completely and utterly irrelevant to the total sales. All it means is the publisher, probably not sure what to make of a first-time author, drastically underordered on the initial printing.

I don't know what the first printing numbers on Jack's book were, but let's just suppose that it was 1000 (and you can print 1000 short, 1/c books rather inexpensively), all that would mean is 1000 books have almost sold. I'm sure his numbers are better than that, but hopefully it gives a complete picture. Since Jack's sales have been in the toilet over at Amazon, I can't imagine the 1st printing was much more than 2500. Color me unimpressed.

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Re: 2nd printing...
[info]gamepolitics
2005-11-27 12:15 am UTC (link)
hey, thx for checking in...

1/c means... ?

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Re: 2nd printing... - [info]prawninator, 2005-11-28 05:41 am UTC
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Re: 2nd printing... - [info]gamepolitics, 2005-11-28 12:47 pm UTC
Re: Jack Thompson Here
[info]tollwutig
2005-11-28 04:50 pm UTC (link)
Its doing so well it is 217,256 in Books on Amazon.com.
Barnes & Noble ranks the book at 95,302.
Books A Million doesn't rank Books by sales... but they are offering it at $12 and some change to thier discount club.

It doesn't even google on Google Books, least not on the first 4 pages.

Using Google and Yahoo most searches for the book comes from Game Sites, and about half of them are reporting on Jacks Threats to Amazon.

Tyndall House also doesn't report Sales Numbers on individual books, which is a shame. But you'll notice despite its "great sales" its not a featured book on thier website.

In other words the book is obscure at best. The only people who really know about it are gamers. They aren't all that impressed. Once people who have read it start reselling it the publisher will lose sales. Once someone puts it in Microsoft reader and up on emule or the newsgroups even the resells will die.

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