Game Politics ([info]gamepolitics) wrote,
@ 2005-11-19 15:06:00
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Jack Thompson vs. Amazon.com ?

Jack Thompson has a new book. Maybe you heard...

Out of Harm's Way is currently available on Amazon.com as well as other booksellers. GP can't comment on the tome's quality, since our copy hasn't yet arrived. It is pretty clear, however, that the book's early days have been plagued by bad Amazon reviews. It's possible - likely? - that many of the "reviewers" are reviewing the author, not his work. Most of the reviews have been of the one-star (out of five) variety, accompanied by negative, even nasty commentary about Thompson himself.

Out of Harm's Way has likewise been plagued with a slew of negative tags on Amazon, as well as linkage with books on gay erotica, presumably caused by mischevous back-and-forth clicking between Thompson's book and various sex manuals offered for sale by Amazon.

GP spoke with the controversial attorney about the book situation earlier in the week. At that time, Thompson blamed the bad write-ups on "pixelantes" (Thompson's term for gamers), and expressed the opinion that the reviews violated Amazon's terms of service. An exchange of e-mails that Thompson shared with GP today indicates how frustrating the situation has become for the outspoken Miami attorney.

First, there's this one from Amazon to Thompson:

"Thank you for writing to Amazon.com to bring these reviews to our attention. Please rest assured that these comments have been removed from our database and will disappear from the web site within 48 hours.

In the future, please report any review that you find inappropriate by clicking on the "report this" link.

We do exert some editorial control over our customer reviews and strive to block these kinds of reviews. Our intention is to make the customer review forum a place for constructive commentary and feedback, so reviews that fall outside these guidelines are either edited for compliance or are removed from the web site. Amazon.com does not tolerate profane or spurious customer reviews.

Again, I apologize for this situation and I'd like to thank you for taking the time to let us know. Feedback from conscientious individuals such as yourself helps us maintain the quality and integrity of our site...
"

Thompson replied to Amazon as follows:

"I have found that the offending reviews are still up at your site, but I find, interestingly, that a review by someone calling himself "Bushsupporter" who gave my book, Out of Harm's Way, four stars and a favorable review, has been removed from the site. Curious.

I have just checked at approximately 1:30pm Saturday, November 19, and I find at least 33 negative reviews that violate your own rules. In fact, more of them have been posted AFTER you sent me the below email promising they would be blocked.

If these ALL of these reviews which violate your own "review rules" are not down from your Amazon.com site by 7:16 pm Sunday, November 20, then I shall have to proceed accordingly...
"




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[info]boredalot
2005-11-19 09:55 pm UTC (link)
So not only has JT never heard of kids who play video games throughout their childhood and end up okay, but apparently he has never heard of critique either. Or maybe it's another "You're not allowed to do that because you're not me" thing.

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[info]sushispook
2005-11-20 12:00 am UTC (link)
to be fair, alot of that isn't critique, it's simple name calling. and quite frankly, it plays right into his hands.

part of jack's ability to stay in the limelight lies in how he can create an air of drama. name calling and thinly-veiled personal attacks can easily be played into claims of persecution... the sort of persecution that helps people flock towards a cause, and engage in a crusade-like behavior against a given target (in this case, the video game industry).

while jack deserves absolutely zero pity and no quarter for his machiavellian behavior in capitalizing on the misfortunes of others, all to keep in the public eye, there are proper ways to defuse and de-ligitmize the man. and this isn't one of them.

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the best way to end it? - [info]amisplacedphile, 2005-11-20 03:22 am UTC
Re: the best way to end it? - [info]loopychew, 2005-11-20 01:01 pm UTC
Re: the best way to end it? - [info]amisplacedphile, 2005-11-20 04:52 pm UTC

[info]rhapsody
2005-11-19 09:56 pm UTC (link)
I wonder if this will turn out like Anne Rice's stint in Amazon.com.

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Anne Rice?
[info]gamepolitics
2005-11-19 10:03 pm UTC (link)
Don't know about that... Can you say more?

-GP

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Re: Anne Rice? - [info]batuniversal, 2005-11-19 10:06 pm UTC
Re: Anne Rice? - [info]rhapsody, 2005-11-19 10:08 pm UTC
Re: Anne Rice? - [info]rhapsody, 2005-11-19 10:07 pm UTC

[info]xd_melchior
2005-11-19 09:56 pm UTC (link)
Hahaha~ while I won't support this kind of exploitation of the system, I also have to admit that if there's anyone that deserves it, it's JT. Think whatever you want Jack, but you were the one that made your "attack against games" an "attack against gamers", and there should be no surprise that if you're willing to fight dirty, that we're not going to hold anything back either.

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[info]batuniversal
2005-11-19 09:58 pm UTC (link)
Let's get this straight.

Thompson has complained about reviews being biased which, I must admit, is probably not an unwarranted complaint. There are probably more than a few games-fans that have vented their opinion over there, unjustly.

But... Does Jolly Jack really expect Amazon to remove any and all negative reviews? Or does he not understand that his book is but one of many, and there are hundreds upon hundreds of reviews that need to be, uh, reviewed to see if the contents violate Amazon's rules?

Further... I wonder how he intends to 'proceed accordingly' given that these reviews are simple statements of opinion.

PS Any archiving of this 'Bushsupporter's' review? That should be interesting.

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[info]bustermanzero
2005-11-19 11:13 pm UTC (link)
Pretty sure Bushsupporter was him.

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(no subject) - [info]octavia_hemahi, 2005-11-19 11:29 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]hellfire99x, 2005-11-21 04:39 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sqlrob, 2005-11-20 01:17 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-11-20 01:42 am UTC

[info]dudelovenext
2005-11-19 10:02 pm UTC (link)
Well, typical Jack. Sue anyone that doesn't agree with you or doesn't comply with you immediately; that's the Jack Thompson way!

I'd love to see him go up against Amazon.com. I'm sure they have some pretty good lawyers.

Of course, Amazon could just drop his book from their listings...

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[info]grinick
2005-11-21 09:58 pm UTC (link)
Icon, where's it from?!

I must know.

Also yeah, the topic blah blah blah...

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(no subject) - [info]alanahikarichan, 2005-11-28 12:03 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]grinick, 2005-11-28 02:27 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]dudelovenext, 2005-12-07 07:00 am UTC
Only the good (Reviews) shall survive
(Anonymous)
2005-11-19 10:03 pm UTC (link)
The book and the person are interchangable, its an Autobiography after all.

The book is literaly a review of his own person, yet anyone else shows thier reviews of him he attacks them and Amazon. Smooth man, smooth.

I like how he also complains about one of his only good reviews being erased.. likely, it was one of the ones he wrote himself to try to boost his book up a bit.

I'd love to see him try to tackle Amazon over this horrible flop of a joke book.
Mabey if the book were a best seller, or even just a moderate seller.. perhapps even a marginal seller..

Good luck Mr. "Giant Killer"

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Sigh
(Anonymous)
2005-11-19 10:04 pm UTC (link)
People, posting deriding and insulting reviews to the man's book without even reading it or mentioning anything about the book at all is just wrong. You're really not helping anyone by doing that, and you're just promoting the various stereotypes surrounding us gamers.
That said, making all the sex books show up under it...now that's just funny.
Oh, and add "I shall have to proceed accordingly" to thompson's list of half-assed threats.

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Re: Sigh
[info]dkh
2005-11-20 01:13 am UTC (link)
You've spoken my mind.

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Re: Sigh - [info]acroamatis, 2005-11-20 01:31 am UTC
Re: Sigh - [info]yukimurasanada, 2005-11-20 05:42 am UTC
I don't know why...
[info]qiao_jun_yi
2005-11-19 10:06 pm UTC (link)
I don't know why but, despite the fact I don't think much will come of us, I get the strangest feeling in the back of my mind that this could turn ugly...

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[info]scrawnysquall
2005-11-19 10:09 pm UTC (link)
who wants to bet that the ''anti-videogame'' poster is jack thompson himself?

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[info]phrogg
2005-11-20 12:21 am UTC (link)
I would have thought he'd have used his alter-ego, BANMAN!

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What a childish little bitch
[info]catch_33
2005-11-19 10:11 pm UTC (link)
Yet again, JT can dish it out, but he can't take it.

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Re: What a childish little bitch
[info]yakko
2005-11-20 06:09 pm UTC (link)
While I understand that sentiment, isn't an Amazon review section the improper place to lay waste to Jack the man, as opposed to Jack's book? I only browsed the first 30 reviews and saw both types of review.

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Proceed accordingly...
[info]batuniversal
2005-11-19 10:11 pm UTC (link)
Incidentally, how could Jolly Jack Thompson proceed here?

Amazon is a web-based business, does it have a state-based office where Jack could possibly file proceedings?

And then again, legally, what laws say that Amazon needs to be impartial and unbiased? Doesn't the site have the same rights (assuming a US-based central office) to freedom of speech as any one individual?

Could any legal minds around here clarify JJ's options? (Shaun?)

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Re: Proceed accordingly...
[info]locke_cole
2005-11-19 10:29 pm UTC (link)
He loves to show his complete lack of understanding in the area of the internet. Just like when he claimed the Sims was porn, and intentionally meant to be so, because Will Wright supports the Mod community and some modders make nude Sim hacks.
It's the same BS here, he honestly expects Amazon.com to hire a staff member per item so they can make sure NO negative review EVER gets through. Like that is even feasible.

I assume (and I am far from a legal mind) that he's likely not going to go after them at all if they don't follow through on his demands, but IF he was going to I'd assume there's something in the User terms of service that states something about them maintaining the site from hate speech or whatnot.

If I was Amazon getting this kind of shit from an author who's book I was selling, I'd just pull the book and save the hassle of dealing with the dick.

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Re: Proceed accordingly... - [info]catch_33, 2005-11-19 10:37 pm UTC
Re: Proceed accordingly... - [info]brianj012, 2005-11-20 02:17 am UTC
Re: Proceed accordingly... - [info]acroamatis, 2005-11-20 01:32 am UTC
Re: Proceed accordingly... - [info]rintaran, 2005-11-20 01:40 am UTC
Re: Proceed accordingly... - [info]thomasweber, 2005-11-21 01:29 am UTC
Re: Proceed accordingly... - (Anonymous), 2005-11-20 01:59 am UTC
Re: Proceed accordingly... - [info]corpus_juris, 2005-11-20 11:02 pm UTC

[info]locke_cole
2005-11-19 10:11 pm UTC (link)
Jack needs to take a page from Al Franken's book and use make it work FOR him instead of against him. Franken made a video mocking the slavish devotion and hate of amazon.com reviewers and constantly has an amazon.com hate review of the day on his show. Instead of whining like a baby Jack needs to learn that there's always gonna be critics out there and 'pixelantes' out there aren't going to stop the book from selling, the quality will.

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[info]brianj012
2005-11-20 02:18 am UTC (link)
And evidently, quality has. 108k+ in ranking?

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If you can't stand the heat...
[info]yokozuna_jr
2005-11-19 10:16 pm UTC (link)
GET OUT OF THE KITCHEN!

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[info]gasperskeltner
2005-11-19 10:16 pm UTC (link)
Again...this is what happens when you go after a group of internet savvy people. They will come after you with whatever they can. And they will be unrelenting.

50 bucks says he calls these death threats.

Must you whine about everything Jack?

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"Must you whine about everything Jack?"
[info]daislite
2005-11-19 10:26 pm UTC (link)
I thought that was astoundingly accurate, until I realized you were missing a comma.

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Re: "Must you whine about everything Jack?" - (Anonymous), 2005-11-20 12:29 am UTC
Re: "Must you whine about everything Jack?" - (Anonymous), 2005-11-20 03:36 pm UTC
Re: "Must you whine about everything Jack?" - [info]gamepolitics, 2005-11-20 04:40 pm UTC
Re: "Must you whine about everything Jack?" - [info]phoenixzero, 2005-11-20 01:00 am UTC
Re: "Must you whine about everything Jack?" - [info]leyviur, 2005-11-20 04:45 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]catch_33, 2005-11-19 10:30 pm UTC
"You're out of your fucking mind!"
[info]skemodan
2005-11-19 10:35 pm UTC (link)
"YOU REALLY ARE OUT OF YOUR FUCKING MIND!"

^Some Dane Cook for y'all

He's lost it. He's really lost it this time. "I'm going to sue Amazon.com!" It's depravity, that's what it is. It's a lack of boundaries and a lack of self. He has no sense of where to stop.

I posted a comment when the book first came out, based it on the first chapter, ok so maybe that's "not fair", but I didn't waste the space to attack Jack, I commented on the chapter and the book. That doesn't violate any policy in my mind.

I read some of the reviews, there are a handful that should be removed. They have nothing to do with the book and are just flagrant attacks at JT. A lot of them read like the parody posts we make in here. Remove those, see if I give a care, but sue Amazon, boy, you're out of your league. Sinner.

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Re: "You're out of your fucking mind!"
[info]dennisthetiger
2005-11-21 05:19 am UTC (link)
So how was the first chapter?

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Finally Breached #100,000
[info]catch_33
2005-11-19 10:42 pm UTC (link)
Oh, and check out the second picture below the cover art photo on the left hand side of the info page.

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Out of Harm's Way and Into the Toilet
[info]kilika_stryfe
2005-11-19 10:45 pm UTC (link)


I'd give the book 2.5 stars out of 5. I didn't like the experience, but it helped me in a pinch, giving it that extra star and a half.

Would have recieved 3 stars if it used softer paper.

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Re: Out of Harm's Way and Into the Toilet
[info]rachelo
2005-11-19 11:36 pm UTC (link)
Hahahanice.

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Re: Out of Harm's Way and Into the Toilet - [info]xd_melchior, 2005-11-19 11:45 pm UTC
Re: Out of Harm's Way and Into the Toilet - [info]phoenixzero, 2005-11-20 01:04 am UTC
Re: Out of Harm's Way and Into the Toilet - [info]kilika_stryfe, 2005-11-20 01:27 am UTC
He's threating AMAZON?
[info]viridiscervus
2005-11-19 10:53 pm UTC (link)
I want to laugh and cry at the same time...

That's like when he went after Bill Gates, but to a lesser degree.

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Re: He's threating AMAZON?
[info]indystarx
2005-11-19 11:52 pm UTC (link)
Dude, all I can do is laugh after reading that

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Re: He's threating AMAZON? - [info]viridiscervus, 2005-11-19 11:56 pm UTC
Re: He's threating AMAZON? - [info]sqlrob, 2005-11-20 01:21 am UTC
Re: He's threating AMAZON? - [info]viridiscervus, 2005-11-20 01:25 am UTC
Re: He's threating AMAZON? - [info]viridiscervus, 2005-11-20 01:27 am UTC
Re: He's threating AMAZON? - [info]sqlrob, 2005-11-20 01:45 am UTC
Re: He's threating AMAZON? - (Anonymous), 2005-11-20 12:31 pm UTC
Re: He's threating AMAZON? - [info]kungfu_tse, 2005-11-20 02:40 am UTC
Re: He's threating AMAZON? - [info]catch_33, 2005-11-20 01:26 am UTC
Re: He's threating AMAZON? - [info]sqlrob, 2005-11-20 01:43 am UTC
Re: He's threating AMAZON? - [info]catch_33, 2005-11-20 02:38 am UTC
Re: He's threating AMAZON? - [info]psyco_chick32, 2005-11-20 02:25 pm UTC
Tenacious J
[info]omega_ody
2005-11-19 11:01 pm UTC (link)
Well, you do have to hand it to him: After all this time, and all of his failures, he's still as persistant and hard to get rid of as a bad rash. If only we could harness the stupidity for the power of good...

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Oh REALLY!
(Anonymous)
2005-11-19 11:02 pm UTC (link)
If these ALL of these reviews which violate your own "review rules" are not down from your Amazon.com site by 7:16 pm Sunday, November 20, then I shall have to proceed accordingly..."

Jack Thompson just doesn't get it. Pseudo-threatening legal ultimatums (ultimata?) like this I'm sure are one of the reasons he was removed from the Strickland case.

*sigh* How long can this guy keep bluffing before he realises no one believes him?

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[info]l33tminion
2005-11-19 11:03 pm UTC (link)
Legal threats? Amazon should meet his demands by simply refusing to sell his book. That is within their rights, after all.

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[info]scazza
2005-11-20 05:27 am UTC (link)
Actually, most likly Amazon has a distrubution contract with his publisher, and if JT dosn't violate any of the terms laid out in the contract, amazon most likly wont be legally allowed to take the bood down with out problems...

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Be that as it may... - (Anonymous), 2005-11-20 03:57 pm UTC

[info]eusisnaphtali
2005-11-19 11:09 pm UTC (link)
I normally prefer avoiding the crap with Jack, but with this incident and the others before, I can't help but think Jack with a license to practice law is like Homer Simpson with a gun. Homer just uses his gun for everything even if he doesen't need to, and Jack seems to use his status as a lawyer whenever it's convinent for him to do so. :P

With that said, I haven't looked at the reviews, but I have to admit reviews about him, and not the book itself, really don't belong on the site.

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(Anonymous)
2005-11-20 12:09 am UTC (link)
"Darn you jar of pickles! OPEN! I'm a lawyer! I've been on sixty minutes! Open or else!!" - (hypothetical) Jack Thompson at home.

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(no subject) - [info]brown_wolf, 2005-11-20 12:57 am UTC
Sue Britney Spears? - [info]lifewish, 2005-11-20 03:26 pm UTC
His rank just keeps slipping
[info]wytecastl
2005-11-19 11:13 pm UTC (link)
His wonderful book somehow seems to fall farther and farther down the rankings.
Here's the rank as of 5:00pm (Central Time) on Saturday:

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Re: His rank just keeps slipping
[info]octavia_hemahi
2005-11-19 11:27 pm UTC (link)
Okay Sales, but do the count the returns?

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Re: His rank just keeps slipping - (Anonymous), 2005-11-22 11:39 pm UTC

[info]blow_up_poodles
2005-11-19 11:14 pm UTC (link)
I must say, at this point all I can really do is shake my head and laugh... the man is a laughingstock and if things keep up, he will soon have nowhere to turn.

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Free Country no more
[info]octavia_hemahi
2005-11-19 11:25 pm UTC (link)
Sadly we can't even state our own opinons anymore. Sadly I do figure most were just being asses which he should be used to by now. But honestly You post it online and someone will rip you a new one. Geez Sueing someone what a joke. Good luck Jack you'll need it.

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