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GTA Cop Killer Lawsuit - Who's Who

In what could be a landmark case for the video game industry, Strickland vs. Sony is scheduled to begin on Thursday in Fayette County, Alabama. The families of two police officers and a police dispatcher slain by death row inmate Devin Moore are suing Sony, Take-Two, Rockstar, Wal-Mart and GameStop, alleging that Moore's obsessive playing of GTA III and Vice City led to the murders. Miami attorney Jack Thompson is representing the police families.

Yesterday, GamePolitics had exclusive coverage of a surprising motion by the defense team to have Thompson removed from the case. Today, we provide the 411 on who's who in Strickland vs. Sony.

The Judge:

- James Moore is an Alabama Circuit Court Judge, who covers three counties, including Fayette, where the Strickland case will be heard. Moore presided over the August criminal trial of Devin Moore as well. Devin Moore was found guilty and a death sentence was recommended by the jury. Judge Moore affirmed the death sentence and Devin Moore now sits on death row. Perhaps ominously for the Strickland case, Judge Moore did not allow any video game testimony at the criminal trial, despite the defense team's attempt to introduce it. A source familiar with Judge Moore described him to GamePolitics as "old school, conservative and fair but no-nonsense."



Plaintiffs:

- Steve Strickland, brother of slain Fayette officer Arnie Strickland (seen at upper left)

- Willie Crump, father of slain Fayette officer James Crump (seen at left)

- Henry Mealer, surviving family member of slain Fayette dispatcher Ace Mealer

Plaintiffs' Counsel:

- Jack Thompson, no introduction needed, licensed in Florida, serving in Alabama under Pro Hac Vice admission

- Patrick Gray, of Nelson, Dorroh, Gray & Newsome; Tuscaloosa attorney serving as Thompson's local co-counsel, as required under Alabama Bar regulations for Pro Hac Vice admission

Defendants:

- Sony Corporation of America (as manufacturer of PS2 system on which Moore played GTA games)

- Sony Computer Entertainment, Inc (SCEI)

- Sony Computer Entertainment of America (SCEA)

- Take-Two Interactive (as publisher of GTA games)

- Wal-Mart Stores, Inc (as retailer of GTA game played by Moore)

- GameStop, Inc (as retailer of GTA game played by Moore)

- Rockstar Games, Inc (as developer of GTA III and Vice City)

- Devin Moore (as killer of decedents)

Defense Counsel:

- James T. Smith, Blank Rome, Philadelphia

- Rebecca D. Ward, Blank Rome, Philadelphia

- Robert R. Baugh, Sirote & Permutt, Birmingham, AL

- Merrell Nolen, Nolen & Nolen, Fayette, AL




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Up so early.
[info]shaun_skipper
2005-11-01 11:52 am UTC (link)
Do you always get up this early Dennis? I have a test, that's why I'm up. I personally believe there is no excuse to get up so early (other than finals, apparently), but oh well. Thanks for the info.

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Re: Up so early.
[info]gamepolitics
2005-11-01 01:55 pm UTC (link)
Usually up by 5 AM, Shaun...

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Re: Up so early. - [info]hilaryduffgta, 2005-11-01 06:04 pm UTC
Aww, c'mon! - [info]fyrhotburnkitty, 2005-11-01 07:44 pm UTC
Re: Aww, c'mon! - [info]gamepolitics, 2005-11-01 07:45 pm UTC

[info]chenry
2005-11-01 12:20 pm UTC (link)
i guess this is the million dollar question in my mind...

why isn't jacky suing the firearm manufacturer too???

Face it, without a firearm, Devin Moore wouldn't be able to have killed anyone. Obviously the firearm manufacturer is to blame for this, why not sue them.

Oh, b/c they're protected by the constitutation...

Hey wait, wtf happened to free fucking speech?

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[info]radixgames
2005-11-01 12:29 pm UTC (link)
I was just thinking the same thing. I can't fathom how they can justify suing a hardware manufacturer. They ought to throw in the manufacturer of the shirt that allowed Moore not to feel too naked to kill people; the providers of the television, AV cables and electricity company that allowed his playstation to work; and the producers of all the things he ate for lunch on the days he had enough nutritional energy to play GTA.

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(no subject) - [info]puripnon, 2005-11-01 01:20 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]chenry, 2005-11-01 01:25 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]gamepolitics, 2005-11-01 01:32 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]chenry, 2005-11-01 01:38 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]gamepolitics, 2005-11-01 01:44 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]chenry, 2005-11-01 01:58 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mrfalcon, 2005-11-02 11:13 am UTC
Re: - [info]gamepolitics, 2005-11-02 11:45 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]jonojacques, 2005-11-01 01:39 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]chenry, 2005-11-01 01:24 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]amisplacedphile, 2005-11-01 06:54 pm UTC
i think i can answer that
[info]hilaryduffgta
2005-11-01 06:07 pm UTC (link)
because in jack's mind the people who made the gun did nothing wrong...in jack's mind devin moore is a victim because he was "forced" to kill the officers from the Messages planted in his head from the video games...so of course it seems logical (and jack is a sleazebag who wants money) so sue take two and gamestop....Oh as for free speech remember Jack has free speech the rest of the world doesnt..i dont get it either but hey its jack's own fucked up little world in his head where im sure he thinks about dressing in women's cloths...

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Don't Like jacks odds
[info]yukimurasanada
2005-11-01 12:27 pm UTC (link)
To be honest, I'm gonna go out on a limb here.

Over the past few days, I've reviewed, studied, researched, and googled a record 45 first amendment cases, going back to an origonal Supreme court ruling regarding violence and the First Amendment. However, more important, are 6 previous cases in US history where someone tried to blame media for a persons actions. So far, I've found one common thread.

All six cases were won by the respective media group.

It's interesting, and somewhat Ironic, that Jack is trying to do what some many others have failed, and yet how does he respond? with personal attacks and almost Zero conclusive evidence?

I don't see anyway Jack could ever Tie this to any of the defendants. He failed to do so in Paducah, Columbine, and red lake, why does he figure this will work? Dennis, shaun, any ideas or theories on what he plans to do?

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Re: Don't Like jacks odds
[info]godofyouall
2005-11-01 12:58 pm UTC (link)
Jack has had the following to say:

"The video game industry gave him a cranial menu that popped up in the blink of an eye, in that police station,"

"And that menu offered him the split-second decision to kill the officers, shoot them in the head, flee in a police car, just as the game itself trained them to do."

"There's plenty of blame to go around. The fact is we think Devin Moore is responsible for what he did," says Thompson. "But we think that the adults who created these games and in effect programmed Devon Moore and assisted him to kill are responsible at least civilly.

So basically Jack is using the same old pathetic excuse that he always does - that video games are murder simulators and GTA trained Devin to kill. This is the reason why this case will fail like all the rest. Judge James Moore had the sense to dismiss this rubbish once before and somehow I can't see him changing his mind this time around either.

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Re: Don't Like jacks odds - [info]godofyouall, 2005-11-01 01:20 pm UTC
Re: Don't Like jacks odds - [info]gargos, 2005-11-01 01:29 pm UTC
Re: Don't Like jacks odds
[info]gamepolitics
2005-11-01 01:53 pm UTC (link)
Yuki, beyond more of the same, I have no clue - although I'm working on finding out

;-)

Guessing he will try to intro some of the more recent studies such as the APA and Mich. State stuff...

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Re: Don't Like jacks odds - [info]yukimurasanada, 2005-11-01 02:13 pm UTC
Re: Don't Like jacks odds - [info]shaun_skipper, 2005-11-01 02:24 pm UTC
Re: Don't Like jacks odds
[info]hilaryduffgta
2005-11-01 06:08 pm UTC (link)
well im sure he will use his recent attacks at him as "proof" and im more then sure he will bring up columbine over and over and how he "predicted it" i think his main proof will try to be all the threats he's gotten lately as "evidence"

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Good morning everyone
[info]goldelite
2005-11-01 12:32 pm UTC (link)
Although i synthesise with the families of the victims suing big companys is not the way to handle it.

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Re: Good morning everyone
[info]uglyface2
2005-11-01 02:25 pm UTC (link)
I've heard there was a movie based on a true life blah blah blah where some parents sued a school district because their children died in a bus accident. The point of that movie wasn't so much the lawsuit, because it was a foregone conclusion that they'd lose, but the fact that the parents needed to take some action, any action, because they felt so helpless. Even though the school district ultimately wasn't culpable for the accident, they were still a target.

I kind of see things that way with this case. Everyone on here is looking at the families as some mean old bad guys who are out to ruin their fun and make a lot of money, when the truth is they're just lashing out at anything they can, and these companies are as good a target as any. They're going to lose this case, but I'm not sure that winning is their real goal here.

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Re: Good morning everyone - [info]jdmdsp911, 2005-11-01 08:09 pm UTC
Re: Good morning everyone
[info]hilaryduffgta
2005-11-01 06:09 pm UTC (link)
Neither do i but i guess strickland wants a payday out of his brothers death..certainly not something a minister would want to do in my books but hey if thats what he wants then fine....i just find it sickening he wants to profit off his brothers death

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Comcast?
[info]illspirit
2005-11-01 12:43 pm UTC (link)
Is Comcast a defendant too? Or did Jack just mention them for no apparent reason in his response about who gets to chose whose counsel? If they are, why are they charged?

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Re: Comcast?
[info]gamepolitics
2005-11-01 01:50 pm UTC (link)
They are not a defendant.

In the letter I lifted that quote from, JT tries to draw a link between Blank Rome and Comcast and that G4 video that lampooned him...

(Comcast owns G4, as you know)

It's one of his conspiracy theories.

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Re: Comcast? - [info]chenry, 2005-11-01 01:59 pm UTC
Re: Comcast? - (Anonymous), 2005-11-01 02:22 pm UTC
Re: Comcast? - [info]hilaryduffgta, 2005-11-01 06:11 pm UTC
Re: Comcast? - [info]jdmdsp911, 2005-11-01 08:14 pm UTC
Re: Comcast? - [info]illspirit, 2005-11-01 08:27 pm UTC
Re: Comcast? - [info]hilaryduffgta, 2005-11-01 08:29 pm UTC
Re: Comcast? - [info]mrfalcon, 2005-11-02 11:21 am UTC
Fack Thompson
(Anonymous)
2005-11-01 12:50 pm UTC (link)
Jack doesn't stand a chance. He has no proof that video games cause him to do it. He just likes kicking up dust in the off-chance that he actually does something.

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Lets be honest
[info]rich_d7
2005-11-01 12:58 pm UTC (link)
This is never going to be about justice. None of the cases Jack goes for are about justice or even childrens safety. This is, like the ones before it, motivated by money.

Why else is it always the successful big companies that get blamed? Why does no-one even mention (let alone blame) the gun manufacturers? Why when a 14 year old (not in this case) gets hold of a gun, no-one blames the parents?

Simple answer is, there's no money to be made in any of that.

If this were about doing good, saving lives and getting justice, the blame would be put upon firearms, education, welfare services and of course the parents.

If Jack really did care in anyway about the victims, he would do something to prevent there being anymore of them!

Rich

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Re: Lets be honest
[info]yukimurasanada
2005-11-01 01:02 pm UTC (link)
Yep, thats about the best summary of Jacks efforts I've ever seen right there.

Like I said, the man is a Self Serving Parasite.

I hope that after he loses, he'll have the good sence to SHUT THE FUCK UP!

Though lets face it, not even being Skull fucked by a cinderblock would knock common sense into this douche.

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Re: Lets be honest - [info]chenry, 2005-11-01 01:27 pm UTC
Re: Lets be honest - [info]rmallen, 2005-11-01 01:37 pm UTC
Re: Lets be honest - [info]chenry, 2005-11-01 01:59 pm UTC
Re: Lets be honest - [info]ironhammer, 2005-11-02 09:46 pm UTC
My opinion. Part 29.
[info]ryukisargi
2005-11-01 01:17 pm UTC (link)
Personally, I think Thompson should be removed. He's a self-serving egomaniac on his own personal crusade. The main lawyer for the plantiffs should just try his best, without Thompson.

Though in my eyes, games like that should've never gotten near a kid like this. As me and a friend said to each other yesterday...

"Morals make a child bad, not video games."

There's plenty of other stuff out therte besides Video Games anyway. Television, cigarettes, even music is out there that can possibly warp minds. What parents need to do, is become more active in thier kid's life, and not just go, "NO YOU CAN'T DO THAT!", or "Ok Junior, here's 50$, go buy that game you wanted and leave daddy to his work. :)"

The real thing at the core of this, is parenting. Sure, there's cop-killing in the games out there. Grand Theft Auto : SA is just one of many that has it in there. The games were made by adults, for adults. I played it. I'm not a violent, frothing at the mouth killer. I don't think any of you are.

In short, it's mostly best that there be more strict guidelines on mature-rated games. Like on R-Rated movies, cigarettes, and joining the military. :|

That's pretty much it.

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[info]gargos
2005-11-01 01:30 pm UTC (link)
Anybody happen to know why both Gamestop AND Wal-Mart are in this suit? I suppose they could say he purchased GTA3 at Gamestop and GTA Vice City at Wal-Mart?

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[info]rmallen
2005-11-01 01:32 pm UTC (link)
That was my take.

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(no subject) - [info]gamepolitics, 2005-11-01 01:33 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]chenry, 2005-11-01 01:39 pm UTC
question - [info]shaun_skipper, 2005-11-01 02:22 pm UTC
Re: question - [info]chenry, 2005-11-01 02:27 pm UTC
Re: question - [info]gargos, 2005-11-01 03:05 pm UTC
Your icon . . . - [info]fyrhotburnkitty, 2005-11-01 07:48 pm UTC
Re: Your icon . . . - [info]andrew_eisen, 2005-11-01 09:20 pm UTC
Re: Your icon . . . - [info]gargos, 2005-11-01 09:30 pm UTC
Re: Your icon . . . - [info]mrfalcon, 2005-11-02 11:23 am UTC
Re: Your icon . . . - [info]gargos, 2005-11-02 01:16 pm UTC
Paint gun, laser tag, and Nerf toy guns...
[info]kungfu_tse
2005-11-01 01:56 pm UTC (link)
Just curious, but how come Jack has never targeted paint gun and laser tag training arenas? Or how about Nerf toy guns at toy stores?

If Jack blames GameWorks and PS2 games for the Columbus Ohio sniper shootings, then by that same arguement, should laser tag and paint guns be restricted too? Aren't these shooting arenas "murder simulators" too? It's like you hold a weapon in your hand and you shoot real life people.

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Re: Paint gun, laser tag, and Nerf toy guns...
[info]rmallen
2005-11-01 02:00 pm UTC (link)
Video game companies probably have deeper pockets. He's just too dumb to see that it makes more sense that paintball and laser tag are more likely to 'train' people to kill than any video game most of us play.

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Re: Paint gun, laser tag, and Nerf toy guns... - [info]darth_fishy, 2005-11-01 02:14 pm UTC
Re: Paint gun, laser tag, and Nerf toy guns... - [info]rmallen, 2005-11-01 02:26 pm UTC
Re: Paint gun, laser tag, and Nerf toy guns... - [info]darth_fishy, 2005-11-01 02:28 pm UTC
Re: Paint gun, laser tag, and Nerf toy guns... - [info]jdmdsp911, 2005-11-01 08:19 pm UTC
Re: Paint gun, laser tag, and Nerf toy guns... - [info]i11umin8ted, 2005-11-03 08:53 am UTC
Re: Paint gun, laser tag, and Nerf toy guns... - [info]darth_fishy, 2005-11-01 02:31 pm UTC
Re: Paint gun, laser tag, and Nerf toy guns... - [info]shadostahker, 2005-11-02 12:44 am UTC
Re: Paint gun, laser tag, and Nerf toy guns... - (Anonymous), 2005-11-02 02:43 am UTC

[info]uglyface2
2005-11-01 02:30 pm UTC (link)
If there's a lesson to be learned here, it's DON'T FREAKING KILL PEOPLE! Look at this mess that Moore has made. He's killed three people, shattered the lives of three families directly, sent shockwaves through their relatives, and caused unnecessary turmoil through the general public because of some tangental connection with videogames. Was this really necessary?

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[info]rmallen
2005-11-01 02:42 pm UTC (link)
I'm sure even Jack would agree it wasn't necessary, but he's certainly not going to object to having more useless fodder to throw around as 'evidence' now, is he?

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someone please tell me
(Anonymous)
2005-11-01 03:38 pm UTC (link)
why is sony being sued along with the others. is it because they make the console for which the game was made?

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Re: someone please tell me
[info]gamepolitics
2005-11-01 03:43 pm UTC (link)
Yes, although why he is suing multiple divisions of Sony is unclear...

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Re: someone please tell me - [info]mazinger_z, 2005-11-01 04:10 pm UTC

[info]tollwutig
2005-11-01 06:42 pm UTC (link)
The only reason Jack isn't suing the TV manufacturer I guess is it would make it too far fetched....

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Unless...........
[info]jdmdsp911
2005-11-01 08:21 pm UTC (link)
The tv was a Sony too? Maybe?

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[info]tollwutig
2005-11-01 07:15 pm UTC (link)
"he's got more conspiracy theories than stephen king on crack." --chenry

this is so true, and funny to boot

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Cmon now
(Anonymous)
2005-11-02 01:54 am UTC (link)
This is so ridiculus. You people are obviously the case of part of an older generation trying to purge the earth of their fears. Yes it's true you fear what you can't understand. Why don't you broaden your minds on the subject and see that the whole media is filled with violence? *sigh* Cmon now....noobs

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Re: Cmon now
[info]gamepolitics
2005-11-02 10:24 am UTC (link)
This is so ridiculus. You people are obviously the case of part of an older generation trying to purge the earth of their fears. Yes it's true you fear what you can't understand. Why don't you broaden your minds on the subject and see that the whole media is filled with violence? *sigh* Cmon now....noobs

Who are you talking to? Not to GP, I hope. We are simply reporting on events that are significant.

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Sigh - (Anonymous), 2005-11-03 11:27 am UTC
Re: Sigh - (Anonymous), 2005-11-22 09:46 pm UTC

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