Game Politics ([info]gamepolitics) wrote,
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Jack Thompson to Gamers... Get a Life!

Jack Thompson was on CNN last night - briefly - in a slam piece on Midway's Blitz: The League. Afterward, in his usual conciliatory tone, he posted about the experience here on GamePolitics:

"Whom did CNN contact for a comment about Blitz: The League? They didn't contact Doug Lowenstein. They didn't contact the drooling cretins at Penny Arcade. They didn't even contact a single gamer, I guess because they wanted the truth.

They contacted Jack Thompson. Why? Because the "don't confuse me with the facts" gaming community (what's next, the marijuana community?) has nothing rational to say about the marketing of mature games to kids.

The purpose of the law in California is to say this: Parents, it is your job to make the decision on these games. We will not allow retailers to sell adult games to kids behind their parents' backs.

Wise up, gamers. The war was lost by you scofflaws a very long time ago. Even liberal CNN is on my side. Fondly, Jack Thompson

PS: Put down the controller and get a life!"

UPDATE: Jack just added a comment: "Jack Thompson thanks you for watching, and not seeing anyone other than me in the piece. I didn't see Penny Aracade personnel there, nor any drooling gamers. Just little old me. Why? Because CNN knows what I'm talking about. This was my 14th appearance on CNN. Glad to be of service in annoying the pixelante pukes. "


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Wow?
(Anonymous)
2005-10-19 10:29 am UTC (link)
CCN actaully let him slander like that on live TV or something?

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Re: Wow?
[info]jabrwock
2005-10-19 11:13 pm UTC (link)
No. He only had 2 lines on TV, about how Midway didn't get the NFL license because of the violence (lies, EA has exclusive rights), and how 50% of kids who try to buy M rated games succeed (old FTC study, new one has lower #s).

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[info]leyviur
2005-10-19 10:32 am UTC (link)
I guess Jack knows he doesn't have much time to brag on his time on TV anymore, so he's doing it as much as he can now, as well as condescending to us video gamers in order to get us to lash back at him. Don't give him the satisfaction of thinking we're even the slightest bit angry. It's what he wants.

Move along people, nothing more to see here. Just a fallen failure of a lawyer who knows he's at the end of his rope.

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[info]xiiiwulf
2005-10-19 02:19 pm UTC (link)
That's the best sentiment I have heard as of yet. Good words.

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hmm.. - [info]heimdal00, 2005-10-19 06:58 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]xiiiwulf, 2005-10-19 07:11 pm UTC

[info]hudsonshrk
2005-10-19 10:33 am UTC (link)
00100

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[info]sir_bissel
2005-10-19 10:33 am UTC (link)
14 * 10 = 140 seconds?

So I guess that means he has 76 more times to be on CNN before his 15 minutes are up?

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(Anonymous)
2005-10-19 11:39 am UTC (link)
His 15 Minutes actually expired three years ago. I mean, once he filed a lawsuit against Wal-Mart, his infinitesimal credibility was lost.

== BearDogg-X ==
Veronica Mars Wednesday nights at 9pm ET/8pm CT on UPN
The Best Show On Television, PERIOD.

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(no subject) - [info]startropics, 2005-10-20 12:46 am UTC

[info]turbinerocks
2005-10-19 10:37 am UTC (link)
Is that kinda like how the war against explicit rap lyrics was lost years ago? Why, fan my brow, there hasn't been a single rap album as tawdry as 2 Live Crew's As Nasty as They Wanna Be since!




JANET RENO'S LESBIAN LEANINGS IN THE HIZZOUSE

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Pretty much!
[info]philipdmgice
2005-10-19 11:10 am UTC (link)
I mean, we don't hear those lyrics on the non-sattellite radio stations, and there are both explicit and censored versions of the same albums available for people who like the music, but not the lyrics.

Which means that the war against explicit rap lyrics was "lost" years ago by all sides: ending in double the profits for companies selling two versions of the same thing, public radio complying to decency standards, and parents suddenly having a visual aid to help them out.

If it were possible to buy a watered down version of a game, then buy an UNCUT version of the game.. that would be neat. "Mommy! May I buy the new Atlus RPG 'Digital Bad Person Saga' for PS2?" "Well, it's edited. Sure, Timmy why not!" Then older gamers could be proudly stating: "Well, I have the UNCUT version of Digital Bad Person Saga!" and everyone on the schoolyard would "ooh," "aah," and for a few moments. We would be kings.

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Re: Pretty much! - [info]135633, 2005-10-19 01:44 pm UTC
Re: Pretty much! - (Anonymous), 2005-10-19 03:34 pm UTC

[info]ahrt
2005-10-19 10:39 am UTC (link)
Good grief, I find this man so extremely offensive!! No matter how rational; how well thought out any opposing argument is that is put forth, he almost instantly stoops to what I believe is absolutely disgusting language from anybody in a public forum let alone a Christian moral crusader.

He appears to have a closed and narrow mind driven by a single, conspicuous focus that does not include all of the facts. That seems very dangerous for someone so enlightened.



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Tinfoil
[info]ahrt
2005-10-19 10:49 am UTC (link)
Soz I'm a bit new to this region, but is it really, for true, for keepsies, for ever and ever THE Jack Thompson? Even though I see the same types of responses from him throughout his recent years of notoriety I find it incredibly difficult to believe that a person like this could possibly exist in the limelight.

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Re: Tinfoil - [info]philipdmgice, 2005-10-19 10:51 am UTC
Re: Tinfoil - [info]sir_bissel, 2005-10-19 10:55 am UTC
Re: Tinfoil - [info]philipdmgice, 2005-10-19 11:01 am UTC
Re: Tinfoil - [info]sir_bissel, 2005-10-19 11:06 am UTC
Re: Tinfoil - [info]kungfu_tse, 2005-10-19 11:08 am UTC
Naw. - [info]philipdmgice, 2005-10-19 11:16 am UTC
Re: Naw. - [info]sir_bissel, 2005-10-19 11:18 am UTC
Re: Naw. - [info]philipdmgice, 2005-10-19 11:21 am UTC
Re: Naw. - [info]sir_bissel, 2005-10-19 11:26 am UTC
Re: Tinfoil - (Anonymous), 2005-10-19 12:34 pm UTC
Re: Tinfoil - [info]sir_bissel, 2005-10-19 12:56 pm UTC
Re: Tinfoil - [info]ahrt, 2005-10-19 02:01 pm UTC
Re: Tinfoil - [info]psyco_chick32, 2005-10-19 01:24 pm UTC
Re: Tinfoil - [info]sir_bissel, 2005-10-19 01:28 pm UTC
Re: Tinfoil - [info]spudsey, 2005-10-19 02:28 pm UTC
Re: Tinfoil - [info]sir_bissel, 2005-10-19 02:34 pm UTC

(Anonymous)
2005-10-19 10:40 am UTC (link)
JT...

i. You know nothing about Blitz: The League or the NFL license. If you are going to bash an industry, do some homework. CNN has no knowledge of the gaming community, so they just picked another ignorant person to comment.

ii. You have been on CNN 14 times...and that means what again?

iii. Quit complaining about a game that doesn't even exist.

iv. Not sure what "war" we lost.

v. Did you get picked on much in junior high?

- LordGamer

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[info]dafni_dsnds
2005-10-19 06:57 pm UTC (link)
i. You know nothing about Blitz: The League or the NFL license. If you are going to bash an industry, do some homework. CNN has no knowledge of the gaming community, so they just picked another ignorant person to comment.

...which is sad because that's something I learned in basic Copyright Law... and he's supposed to be a lawyer.

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(no subject) - [info]prawninator, 2005-10-20 06:57 am UTC

[info]leyviur
2005-10-19 10:44 am UTC (link)
Also, in the words of Wing Zero, "You have no chance make your time."

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Indeed.
[info]philipdmgice
2005-10-19 10:48 am UTC (link)
For Great Justice.. SCALIA!

Sorry.. had to. Please understand.

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(no subject) - [info]premo_maggot, 2005-10-19 10:48 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sir_bissel, 2005-10-19 10:54 am UTC
? - [info]mystic_violet, 2005-10-19 02:23 pm UTC
Re: ? - [info]leyviur, 2005-10-19 02:25 pm UTC
Kind of a shame...
[info]philipdmgice
2005-10-19 10:45 am UTC (link)
Personally, I would rather hear from Daphne White or even Dr. Dobson than Jack Thompson on this subject on CNN. Hell, I miss Lieberman so very much. At least he never resorted to flaming people.

I actually watch C-Span more than I watch the network news channels. Does it make me a drooling cretin to be laying back on my futon sofa, playing Final Fantasy 1 on my Game Boy Micro while casually watching the proceedings?

Oh, well. I have been in Wired, Village Voice, some my staff has been on G4, Tech TV, I have been in several foreign press articles and news videos. I can thankfully say that I am personally honored to have never been on CNN or in an Associated Press article. I've also never been in the L.A. Times. I sleep easily at night knowing this.

As for putting down the controller? I rarely pick one up these days, with so many good handheld games out, I am too busy picking up a STYLUS. And -OH MY GOD- I have Doom, Grand Theft Auto, Max Payne, Driver, Serious Sam, and more on Game Boy Advance. I can carry them with me, in my pocket, to whip out at a moments notice! Oh, the horror of it all!

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Re: Kind of a shame...
[info]anoncastillo
2005-10-19 10:46 am UTC (link)
I'm scared! O.O

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Re: Kind of a shame... - [info]philipdmgice, 2005-10-19 10:49 am UTC

[info]anoncastillo
2005-10-19 10:45 am UTC (link)
You know, at first I was a bit skeptical that those were his actual words.... but thinking about some of the things he's said in the past, I have more trouble not believing he said that than believing he did.

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[info]nutbarramblings
2005-10-19 10:50 am UTC (link)
They didn't even contact a single gamer, I guess because they wanted the truth.

No you bumbling idiot, they wanted a catchy soundbite so people will watch them so they can maintain market share. If they actually cared about the truth, they would have had someone on to counterbalance your deluded viewpoint.
Had they contacted the aforementioned "drooling cretins" at Penny Arcade, they would at least have gotten an informed opinion. I mean, come on, you didn't even know Electronic Arts bought out the rights to the NFL license? I'm not even an American and I knew that, fool.

The gaming community has many rational things to say about the marketing and availability of "mature content" in relation to children. It's only idiots like you who continue to spout nonsense and falsehoods to muddy the waters.

If the "war" was lost ever so long ago, why are you still campaigning?
Clearly, this "war" is still being fought. The difference is, "your side" is disowning you, because you're behaving like an absolute lunatic.

The beauty of this is - the gamers will win. Multiple generations have now grown up with gaming in their lives, and one day soon it'll be us in the positions of power.
You're looking pretty old, Jack. But unlike some of the more radical members of the "gaming community" you keep crying about, I don't want you to die.

I want you to live long enough to see how much better the world is when idiots like you are no longer even a blip on the mainstream radar. :)

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The industry is changing anyways....
[info]philipdmgice
2005-10-19 10:59 am UTC (link)
I think violent games will decrease in popularity eventually. Some companies are steering towards more innovative and non-violent means.

Imagine how silly this will seem later on. I hope the industry changes drastically toward innovative and non-violent games.

Imagine how it will seem to see him running around yelling "Grand Theft Auto! Grand Theft Auto!" and parents will be like: "I'm sorry. Did you say something? I was too busy rolling a Katamari/dancing to DDR/planting crops/training my brain/performing surgery to notice what you said. So, video games are bad now? I'm pretty sure that's not very accurate."

If the major companies would take Nintendo's lead and start aiming at wider demographics, we can render criticism irrelevant.

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Re: The industry is changing anyways.... - [info]nutbarramblings, 2005-10-19 11:13 am UTC
Re: The industry is changing anyways.... - (Anonymous), 2005-10-19 12:58 pm UTC
Re: The industry is changing anyways.... - [info]sir_bissel, 2005-10-19 11:21 am UTC
Re: The industry is changing anyways.... - (Anonymous), 2005-10-19 12:39 pm UTC
Re: The industry is changing anyways.... - [info]ahrt, 2005-10-19 01:46 pm UTC
Re: The industry is changing anyways.... - [info]prawninator, 2005-10-20 07:32 am UTC
Re: The industry is changing anyways.... - [info]sephzer, 2005-10-19 06:48 pm UTC

[info]scazza
2005-10-19 11:02 am UTC (link)
When you think about it, the war really is over, even if you do happen to get violent games banned in the US, there are many other countries out there (including canada, where WARRIORS was created, in my home town toronto), who will happily make games. Sure the government of france has tried to protect their businness Ubisoft on a few occassions, who make Splinter Cell and Farcry.

What I think is sad, is the violent, and loud mouth campaign you have going, and it is obviously not working. Here in canada, we didn't need some uninformed spotlight hogging immature man to get the same law california passed. We did it voluntary (in ontario).

Also by the way, I work in a videogame retail store, and i can tell you that it is the parents that are to blame, i have sold GTA3 to kids as young as 5-6, why? because their parents said so. i take joy telling kids they need their mommy to buy this M game. 2mins later they return with their mom, who buys it for them. Even after me explaining how bad the game is (i own many violent games and havnt killed or injured anyone), they say they will do it because their friend has it, or just to shut the child up. If you wish, commission me to perform a study at my store, of how many parents buy their child GTA, ill be happy to provide u with a number next time i go in to work, its usually around 4-5 every day.

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Well....
[info]philipdmgice
2005-10-19 11:19 am UTC (link)
Until the Canadian government bans all video games that don't contain French translations, anyways.

Remember when the Canadian government sued Nintendo over Pokemon?

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[info]rich_d7
2005-10-19 11:02 am UTC (link)
So more vile abuse from this "lawyer".

I'm guessing he really is in fear of us now!

Obviously by "us" I mean every living breathing single intelligent human being on the planet, who in their spare time decides to read a book, watch a film or play a video game, because they have the right to do so...

Rich

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[info]aresef
2005-10-19 11:05 am UTC (link)
"Whom did CNN contact for a comment about Blitz: The League?"

Clearly not somebody knowledgeable. The reason the NFL didn't allow its license to be used is because THEY COULDN'T. Early this year, Electronic Arts paid MILLIONS for the exclusive license.

And get it through your head that outside certain pockets, the media is mostly conservative.

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[info]sir_bissel
2005-10-19 11:07 am UTC (link)
I still feel like whom isn't the correct word to use there.

Stupid who/whom conundrum, with it's "direct objects" and whatnot...

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(no subject) - [info]luckykaa, 2005-10-19 11:58 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-10-19 05:32 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sonofabritsch, 2005-10-20 01:41 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]aresef, 2005-10-20 02:21 am UTC
Hey Dennis
[info]yukimurasanada
2005-10-19 11:06 am UTC (link)
I don't suppose it would be Feasible to get an Industry response to this would it? I know you have connections, and it would be awesome to see the industry take action. As you have said in the past, they haven't done nearly enough.

I've written to the ESA, VSDA, and ESRB on more then one occasion, and never gotten an answer.

Maybe it's time a louder voice was heard.

Gamers are tired of Jack Thompson. It's time some one put him in his place. I can't help but think that a 10 billion dollar industry wouldn't have any trouble handling that.

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Re: Hey Dennis
[info]dthrax
2005-10-19 01:34 pm UTC (link)
Hey Dennis
I don't suppose it would be Feasible to get an Industry response to this would it? I know you have connections, and it would be awesome to see the industry take action. As you have said in the past, they haven't done nearly enough.

I've written to the ESA, VSDA, and ESRB on more then one occasion, and never gotten an answer.

Maybe it's time a louder voice was heard.

Gamers are tired of Jack Thompson. It's time some one put him in his place. I can't help but think that a 10 billion dollar industry wouldn't have any trouble handling that.


QFE

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[info]scazza
2005-10-19 11:09 am UTC (link)
Whats sad is he claims harrassment from penny-arcade, and defamation by people...claiming he is going to sue etc... yet he spouts crap like "doug lowenstien is like adolf hitler" and even worse violent responses... can you say hypocrit?

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[info]cielmer
2005-10-19 11:11 am UTC (link)
He says all gamers are retards stuck on drugs.

Correct me if I am wrong here, but can't we, the people, file a defamation of character in a court of law against Thompson?

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(no subject) - [info]cielmer, 2005-10-19 11:11 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]nutbarramblings, 2005-10-19 11:19 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]scazza, 2005-10-19 11:11 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]cielmer, 2005-10-19 11:14 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sir_bissel, 2005-10-19 11:16 am UTC
Condescending
(Anonymous)
2005-10-19 11:09 am UTC (link)
It never fails - for some reason he always seems to be the most condescending and inane person I've ever heard from. We need to get lives? Wow... didn't think I'd hear that from an attorney who can't even properly respond to people through letters/email without making a total ass of himself.

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Re: Condescending
[info]grusch
2005-10-20 05:20 pm UTC (link)
Everyone needs a hobby.

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[info]cielmer
2005-10-19 11:09 am UTC (link)
Uh...heh...

I wouldn't exactly be proud that CNN keeps contacting me for interviews regarding videogames and such.

CNN: The worlds most reknown news network for bullshit. Honestly, it's all a bunch of one-wingers on a network with their own adgenda. Leave it to the media and hypocracy to literally fuck eachother in the ass.

Media = CNN (dur)
King of the hypocrites = Jack "Flying Douche" Thompson. I should be fair, I mean, he does give douches a bad name, especially the flying sort.

Thompson should not be allowed to give any sort of advice to parents, much less, the media (as shitty as they are) on violent videogames. He's not a registered clinical councellor, nor does he base his "theory of knoledge" that well on said situation. His rebute is more bullshit. He doesn't answer questions, instead, he "protects" himself by throwing up more walls.

Videogames don't kill people. If I remember correctly, unstable minded people kill people. Why Thompson has not killed others, or himself yet is beyond me.

But, as far as I am concerned, CNN and Thompson combined are one brain stuck on stupid.

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[info]bane_keldare
2005-10-19 11:12 am UTC (link)
I don't get why he still seems to think that gamers are complete idiots.

My dad's profession is in Chemical Engineering, and he plays games all the time. I mean...it's not like every gamer drops out of college just to play their precious games.

Err...sorry. I meant murder simulators.

And what is up with his idiotic "what's next, the marijuana community" statements? Is it WRONG for a group with similar interests such as video games to come together? What now, Jack Thompson? What about your "uptight lawyers with a superiority complex" community?

Oh yeah...they kinda DISOWNED you.

And as far as "don't get angry because it's what he wants," is concerned, I just can't comply. If he's going to go "HA I WAS ON CNN TAKE THAT DEGENERATE LOSERS" then I'm going to get peeved.

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[info]sir_bissel
2005-10-19 11:14 am UTC (link)
He says it so he can get a rise out of people. I don't think he actually believes that, but since it makes people start yelling, it gives him a certain amount of attention.

Think back to 2nd grade. It's a lot like that.

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(no subject) - [info]cielmer, 2005-10-19 11:15 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]cielmer, 2005-10-19 11:17 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]bane_keldare, 2005-10-19 11:22 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]cielmer, 2005-10-19 11:22 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]cielmer, 2005-10-19 11:23 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]bane_keldare, 2005-10-19 11:29 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]scazza, 2005-10-19 11:21 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]woundwalker, 2005-10-19 03:10 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ahrt, 2005-10-20 08:44 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mrfalcon, 2005-10-20 12:51 am UTC
Throng? - [info]the_new_l, 2005-10-20 06:42 pm UTC

[info]scazza
2005-10-19 11:15 am UTC (link)
but seriously, who does that?

"Na na, I was on CNN and you wernt, I am the smart, S-M-R-T!"

you sound like a child, I seriously hope people at CNN read this and realize they had a child on their show...

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[info]yourrobbit
2005-10-19 11:20 am UTC (link)
I do so love Jack Thompson.
http://brockexperiment.com/index.php?page=comics&id=21 (the bottom 2 comics)

Really he must be a smart man because his use of appeal to belief and ad hominem are masterful.

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[info]yourrobbit
2005-10-19 11:24 am UTC (link)
"Put the game controller down and get a life!"

When you put the golf clubs down and play a real goddamn sport Jack.

I just want to play the toad at Scrabble now so I can gloat like a big dumb mongoloid too.

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[info]shinedog
2005-10-19 11:21 am UTC (link)
neener neener!

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Annoying? ANNOYING?!
(Anonymous)
2005-10-19 11:24 am UTC (link)
Jack, you just proved again that you don't understand us - both from my reaction as well as from what I read here and elsewhere, the primary reaction seems to be amusement.You're just a joke, its the people who might listen to you that annoy us. Though, If you continue to get that _much_ airtime, its probably isn't such a great danger. *g*

As for "get a life"... did you ever hike? No, I don't mean walking from your house to your work and then falling into a chair, I mean walking 10-20 miles a day cross-country, with a heavy backpack, water, food, a tent, and then camping somewhere and continuing the next day.
You didn't? Why doesn't that surprise me...

Gloranor

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Jack Thompson Lied About The Warriors Movie
(Anonymous)
2005-10-19 11:27 am UTC (link)
Source: Cathode Tan, cathodetan.blogspot.com

Jack Thompson has been repeatedly bashing Rockstar's upcoming The Warriors, complaining that it's a violent game based on a violent movie. That much is probably true. However, he also goes on to state:

"When that movie was released, it spawned so much copycat gang violence that Paramount stopped advertising the film and notified all exhibitors that they were released from their contractual obligation to show it."
-- Thompson Criticizes Warriors, Causes Charity Donation Ruckus

That is false.

Paramount did indeed stop advertising the film on February 16th, 1979 ... but it was in reaction to sporadic outbreaks of violence at the theatres it was being shown at, not because of any new copycat crimes or increase in gang violence overall.

One week later, they restarted their advertising campaign and allowed exhibitors to be released from their contracts if they felt showing the film might cause any safety issues.

Apparently few did, since the film went on to gross $12 million in two weeks.

Source: 1979 Oscar Chronicle

That's right, Jack, you got caught in yet another lie.

Oh, and Jack, word of advice, Grow Up. You're like a broken record.

== BearDogg-X ==
Veronica Mars Wednesday nights at 9pm ET/8pm CT on UPN
The Best Show On Television, PERIOD.

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[info]scazza
2005-10-19 11:29 am UTC (link)
Gotta love the webcomics, the kind of main force being attacked by this idiotic behemoth.

http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/ has an awesome news post right now on the front page, i laughed the whole way through... Oh Noes! Its the Foot!

I would quote it here, but i advise u guys go read it, great comic deserves the attention..

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[info]sir_bissel
2005-10-19 11:30 am UTC (link)
Oh noes!!1! It's the foot!

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(no subject) - [info]yourrobbit, 2005-10-19 11:35 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]scazza, 2005-10-19 11:36 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]yourrobbit, 2005-10-19 02:51 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sephzer, 2005-10-19 07:00 pm UTC

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