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Jack Thompson Reaches Out to Sen. Lieberman Over NIMF Slap

In a story broken exclusively here on GamePolitics, Miami attorney and self-described "anti-game crusader" Jack Thompson was publicly shunned by Dr. David Walsh of the National Institute on Media and the Family late last week.

Thompson, seething over the slight, has contacted Sen. Joe Lieberman (D-CT) to express his frustration with Walsh. Why Lieberman? Of the numerous political figures and industry types cc:'d on the NIMF letter, Thompson told GP last evening that he most valued the opinion of the Connecticut senator. Lieberman has, after all, been in the forefront of video game content issues for more than a decade. GP has confirmed that a member of Lieberman's staff received the letter, which follows:


Dear Senator Lieberman:

I received late last Thursday a remarkably false and hurtful letter from someone who is a friend of yours and who used to be a friend of mine, Dr. David Walsh of the National Institute on Media and the Family. Two people who got Walsh's letter are you and Doug Lowenstein of the ESA. Therein is the explanation of why it was really sent.

I have over the years repeatedly told Dr. Walsh of my admiration for his knowledge as to the harm caused by mature video games sold to minors. I have done nothing for years but praise him to others, especially those in the media. Dr. Walsh has gotten himself on plenty of prominent news shows about this issue on his own, but I got him on 60 Minutes this year and in Reader's Digest. Dave indicated that he was pleased that I did. Neither of us seeks the publicity for its own sake. We both care about the message. It will save lives.

The three of us, obviously, have shared this same concern about adult games sold to kids for a very long time. When you meet the bereaved families of these victims, they change your life forever, as did the families in Paducah whom I represented. Critics of the three of us don't understand our concern. They haven't met the victims.

The very day I sent Dave a draft of an affidavit for him to sign for our wrongful death case in Alabama, Dave, instead of calling me wrote this letter saying that I needed to stop suggesting publicly and otherwise that he endorses what I do. I have NEVER suggested such a thing, ever. Dave and I have joked about how he is the "good cop" on this issue, and I am the "bad cop."

But if Dave had a problem with my "tactics," I believe you and I both know, as people of faith, that the Biblical principle is that you go privately to the person with whom you have a disagreement and express the concern. Dave NEVER did that. Why?

You see, Senator, I am presently suing Best Buy and Target over Take-Two's planned release of Bully, a Columbine simulator in which you can bludgeon your classmates and teachers. I was on ABC World News Tonight and CNN's Lou Dobbs Tonight about Bully and my lawsuit against these retailers. The stakes here are very high.

Dave's organization is funded by Target and Best Buy. Elliot Kaplan is a lawyer who defended Best Buy the last time I sued it successfully, and it is his foundation that, in Kaplan's words "has given millions of dollars to Dave Walsh." Kaplan is a director on the Board of Best Buy. You and I both learned to "follow the money" a long time ago. It can explain why friends write letters that have absolutely no basis in fact but which help those who fund them. Why else would Dave tell me publicly to stop doing something he could have asked me to do privately and which I have never done?

Dave copied you with that letter. He did that because he knew of my relationship with your office, how I have sat with your people the day we were both interviewed for Spencer Halpin's Moral Kombat documentary that is coming out this fall. I am deeply appreciative of your Chief of Staff's tremendous concern and interest in this issue. I have a lovely letter from you thanking me for my abiding involvement in this issue. Nobody here is saying you endorse my methods. You appreciate my concern.

Why did Dave Walsh send his letter to Doug Lowenstein - to make sure that it would be spread all over the world. That is precisely what has happened. You should hear the things Dave has said to me about Doug, about his prevarications. I think Doug is a liar. Dave is too nice a guy to say so publicly, but I am not. Doug Lowenstein, in my opinion, is personally responsible for a number of deaths. He is paid well to spin like the worst propagandists in history. I don't need to tell you the harm that propagandists can cause, the lives they can cost. The Third Reich was founded upon propaganda as surely as it was founded upon armaments. When Doug Lowenstein says the industry wants kids not to buy these games, he is lying. When he says there is no proof that these games hurt kids, he is lying. Dave would not say so. I say so. I'm not nice, and I don't pretend to be.

The reason Dave sent that letter is the same reason the Philadelphia law firm of Blank Rome has embarked on character assassination of me in our case in Alabama arising out of Take-Two's GTA games. Blank Rome has as one of its partners Barbara Comstock, the head of "opposition research" at the RNC. Blank Rome has unethically used her RNC techniques on me because they know they can't win this case, covered on 60 Minutes and in Reader's Digest on the merits, so they have cranked up their Swift Boat Vets approach and used it on me, with no facts to back them up. As Twain said, "A lie is half way around the world before the truth puts on its shoes." Dave Walsh's money people took a page out of the Blank Rome/RNC playbook. I am getting used to it. All it has accomplished is make me more determined to destroy the Take-Two's of the world, by God's grace.

Dave Walsh is a very nice man who blew this one. I happen to think there is room in the world for Dave's approach on games, but I also think somebody has to be willing to get in the trenches and slug it out with sociopaths. Take-Two's Mr. Houser proves in today's New York Times he is just such a sociopath.

With all respect, Dave's Annual Video Game Report Card has not slowed down Take-Two, has it? I have used lawsuits in the past to accomplish some very good things. I made enemies in the process. I am proud to count Doug Lowenstein as one of them.

I wish you all of God's best. I wish people like Take-Two all of Satan's worst. Dave Walsh would not say that, and that is part of his charm. Some of us were not called to be charming. I want to win this thing, not for my sake, but because lives are at stake.

That is what makes what Dave did so hurtful. Instead of calling me up and talking to me man to man, he wrote a letter to Doug Lowenstein.

Blessings, Jack Thompson




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lmao
(Anonymous)
2005-10-17 12:26 pm UTC (link)
what a psychopath, he has some serious anger issues... perhaps playing all those violent video games as a kid turned him into a hate filled idiot.

Nothing is more funny then seeing a person complain about violence in video games while wishing satans ill on people, and as for comparing people to the third reich, rofl.

Oddly enough I don't play rockstars games, I don't find GTA fun (I'm an FPS gamer), however if driving their sales up helps to piss off crackpots like this, I might just buy them.

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Re: lmao
[info]jabrwock
2005-10-17 05:51 pm UTC (link)
Nothing is more funny then seeing a person complain about violence in video games while wishing satans ill on people, and as for comparing people to the third reich, rofl.

You'd think Jack would review his letters before sending out such hypocritical letters. He accuses others of "living in glass houses" but then he himself lashes out...

Oddly enough I don't play rockstars games, I don't find GTA fun

Me neither, I find the wanton destruction gets boring after 5 minutes. The story is ok, but it's getting old. That's why I liked "Mercenaries" from LucasArts. Like GTA, only set in North Korea, and there were factions that got pissed off when you trashed stuff in their turf. I liked how you could "assist" in battles you came across, and the faction you helped would like you more... Of course you couldn't improve/worsen relations with NK, but that's because they were the main bad-guys...

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[info]healer1422
2005-10-17 12:28 pm UTC (link)
The reason Dave sent that letter is the same reason the Philadelphia law firm of Blank Rome has embarked on character assassination of me

Introducing the people with the easiest job in the world: Those in charge of making Thompson look crazy and irrational.

The man was king of the world when he could spew craziness from under rocks, but as soon he tied in Clinton, he started making more people aware of his actions and his arguments and methods just don't work in the light of day.

He should have stayed under the rock.

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Blank Rome has it easy
[info]jabrwock
2005-10-17 05:46 pm UTC (link)
Introducing the people with the easiest job in the world: Those in charge of making Thompson look crazy and irrational.

Not like they have to try hard. Just list all the times Jack has behaved like a jerk, all the times he's attacked people who don't agree with his methods, and all the "science" he refers to that is inconclusive at best. Plus list all the nasty letters he's sent to people. And how he's giving Christians a bad name.

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Re: Blank Rome has it easy - [info]healer1422, 2005-10-17 06:01 pm UTC
Help the big bad truth is coming to get me.
[info]hudsonshrk
2005-10-17 12:34 pm UTC (link)
So really what is JT hoping to accomplish with this letter?

JT I think your bad cop need to be checked out by Internal Affairs.

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You can't fire me...
[info]jabrwock
2005-10-17 05:44 pm UTC (link)
So really what is JT hoping to accomplish with this letter?

Basically... "You can't fire me! I quit! And I'm telling everyone you're a doody-head!"

*sigh*

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Whoah, DUDE!
[info]noreallife2
2005-10-17 12:37 pm UTC (link)
the Biblical principle is that you go privately to the person with whom you have a disagreement and express the concern. Dave NEVER did that. Why?

...and you're not doing that now!

It can explain why friends write letters that have absolutely no basis in fact but which help those who fund them. Why else would Dave tell me publicly to stop doing something he could have asked me to do privately and which I have never done?

...um, Jack, he wanted to DISASSOCIATE with you. Publicly.

You should hear the things Dave has said to me about Doug, about his prevarications. I think Doug is a liar. Dave is too nice a guy to say so publicly, but I am not.

...agreed, you are not nice.

Doug Lowenstein, in my opinion, is personally responsible for a number of deaths.

...is that a slander lawsuit waiting to happen?

Take-Two's Mr. Houser proves in today's New York Times he is just such a sociopath.

...name-calling.

I wish people like Take-Two all of Satan's worst.

...THAT is not a good attitude to have, Christian OR not!

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Re: Whoah, DUDE!
[info]healer1422
2005-10-17 01:08 pm UTC (link)
I wish people like Take-Two all of Satan's worst.

"Thats not very Christian."
"Well neither is he."

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Re: Whoah, DUDE! - [info]shatterjack, 2005-10-17 01:26 pm UTC
Re: Whoah, DUDE! - (Anonymous), 2005-10-17 07:13 pm UTC
Re: Whoah, DUDE! - (Anonymous), 2005-10-17 01:30 pm UTC
Jack Thompson Here
(Anonymous)
2005-10-17 12:47 pm UTC (link)
Dennis, I appreciate your posting this letter here. Naive gamers maybe don't understand the "follow the money" methodology, but my generation does.

The fact that "gamers" don't like what I do doesn't change the fact that Walsh made this garbage up and then sent it to Doug Lowenstein.

You guys have no idea what is going on behind the scenes here, and you also don't know how much trouble Take-Two is in.

You cant rant and scream about what a joke I am, but Take-Two is not laughing, and neither is Dave Walsh. His miscalculation blew the whistle on his funding stream.

My constant prayer is "Lord, don't give me more friends. Just give me more foolish enemies."

That prayer is being answered, and it is working very nicely.

Rant on gamers. Your time is up. Jack Thompson

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Re: Jack Thompson Here
[info]healer1422
2005-10-17 03:06 pm UTC (link)
Ah, the Tom Cruise method of rebuttal.
"No, you see. Here's the problem. You don't know the history of (INSERT TOPIC HERE). I do."

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Jack the fair-weather friend - [info]jabrwock, 2005-10-17 03:21 pm UTC
Re: Jack Thompson Here - [info]hilaryduffgta, 2005-10-17 04:18 pm UTC
Re: Jack Thompson Here - [info]solidsnark, 2005-10-17 04:38 pm UTC
Re: Jack Thompson Here - [info]jabrwock, 2005-10-17 04:49 pm UTC
Re: Jack Thompson Here - [info]carmine, 2005-10-17 05:04 pm UTC
Re: Jack Thompson Here - [info]jabrwock, 2005-10-17 05:08 pm UTC
Re: Jack Thompson Here - [info]carmine, 2005-10-17 05:13 pm UTC
Re: Jack Thompson Here - [info]harmfulguy, 2005-10-17 04:49 pm UTC
Re: Jack Thompson Here - [info]lordomicron, 2005-10-17 07:43 pm UTC
Re: Jack Thompson Here - [info]leyviur, 2005-10-17 05:26 pm UTC
Re: TT isn't laughing... - [info]jabrwock, 2005-10-17 05:53 pm UTC
Re: TT isn't laughing... - [info]cowboybeboper42, 2005-10-17 07:52 pm UTC
Re: TT isn't laughing... - [info]jabrwock, 2005-10-17 07:58 pm UTC
Re: TT isn't laughing... - [info]automancer, 2005-10-17 08:18 pm UTC
Re: TT isn't laughing... - [info]automancer, 2005-10-17 08:19 pm UTC
Re: Jack Thompson Here - (Anonymous), 2005-10-17 06:57 pm UTC
Re: Jack Thompson Here - [info]blkmage, 2005-10-17 08:01 pm UTC
Re: Jack Thompson Here - [info]uglyface2, 2005-10-17 08:45 pm UTC
Re: Jack Thompson Here - [info]amusingman, 2005-10-17 10:53 pm UTC
Am I Missing Something?!?
[info]noreallife2
2005-10-17 12:49 pm UTC (link)
Can someone explain to me why he wrote to Sen. Leiberman? Just to cry, or does he expect the Senator to rationalize Mr. Walsh's actions?

Jack says he respects the Senator, but why waste the man's time?

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Re: Am I Missing Something?!?
[info]imahori
2005-10-17 12:51 pm UTC (link)
I'm assuming he's looking for someone to side with him.

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Re: Am I Missing Something?!? - (Anonymous), 2005-10-17 01:04 pm UTC
Re: Am I Missing Something?!? - [info]marbledog, 2005-10-17 02:59 pm UTC
Re: Need clarification. - [info]jabrwock, 2005-10-17 04:31 pm UTC
Need clarification. - [info]quad9damage, 2005-10-17 03:13 pm UTC
Re: Need clarification. - [info]spudsey, 2005-10-17 04:07 pm UTC
Re: Am I Missing Something?!? - [info]beelzebozo, 2005-10-17 03:38 pm UTC
Re: Am I Missing Something?!? - [info]imahori, 2005-10-17 03:48 pm UTC
Re: Am I Missing Something?!? - [info]lowe0 [deadjournal], 2005-10-17 10:09 pm UTC
Re: Am I Missing Something?!? - [info]amusingman, 2005-10-17 10:58 pm UTC

[info]imahori
2005-10-17 12:53 pm UTC (link)
It's like High School all over again! Gah!

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[info]healer1422
2005-10-17 01:10 pm UTC (link)
Seriously. Do you think the letter sent to Lieberman was folded into a paper football. what we don't see is on the other side of the paper is two checkboxes beneath "Do you want to go out with me? Check "yes" if you want to. XOXOXOXOX"

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Debunking the Bull$h!+
(Anonymous)
2005-10-17 01:12 pm UTC (link)
First off, why would Jack want the opinion of a man that has called the ESRB rating system "the best in the entire entertainment industry"?

I happen to think there is room in the world for Dave's approach on games, but I also think somebody has to be willing to get in the trenches and slug it out with sociopaths. Take-Two's Mr. Houser proves in today's New York Times he is just such a sociopath.

Jack Thompson continually proves that he's a bigger sociopath with every letter that he sends. And if he really thought there's room for Dr. Walsh's approach, he'd let Dr. Walsh do his job instead of whining and being counter-productive by filing a lawsuit every other week.

Dr. Walsh has gotten himself on plenty of prominent news shows about this issue on his own, but I got him on 60 Minutes this year

Contradiction #1. If Walsh can get on news shows on his own, then why would he need your help to get on 60 Minutes? It looks like more like it was the other way around. You need Walsh's help a hell of a lot more than he needs you, because he has something you don't, it's called credibility.

When you meet the bereaved families of these victims, they change your life forever, as did the families in Paducah whom I represented. Critics of the three of us don't understand our concern. They haven't met the victims.......You and I both learned to "follow the money" a long time ago.

Contradiction #2. You want to talk about "following the money"? Well, like a vulture, you're the one feeding off of the victims of Paducah and Columbine everytime you mention those tragedies snd with every lawsuit you file trying to cash in on them more times than country musicians have cashed in(and still do) on 9/11. You're the one that's still obsessed with making "blood money" off of those tragedies.

Suing over a game that hasn't even been released yet makes you look stupid, too.

It can explain why friends write letters that have absolutely no basis in fact but which help those who fund them....The reason Dave sent that letter is the same reason the Philadelphia law firm of Blank Rome has embarked on character assassination of me

Mr. Pot, meet Mr. Kettle. You've been trying to assassinate the characters of Mr. Lowenstein, Mr. Houser, Mr. Jenkins, and now Dr. Walsh for years.

I think Doug is a liar. Dave is too nice a guy to say so publicly, but I am not..... Dave would not say so. I say so. I'm not nice, and I don't pretend to be.

You got caught in another lie, Jack. You pretended to be a nice guy in the interview you did with Dennis in the days after Katrina hit.

because they know they can't win this case

Actually, the industry's won plenty of times before and even at your expense.

One last thing, you couldn't draw money with your lawsuits even if you dipped yourself in glue and walked through Fort Knox.

== BearDogg-X ==
Veronica Mars Wednesday nights at 9pm/8pm CT on UPN
The best show on Television, PERIOD.

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[info]guttaperk
2005-10-17 01:18 pm UTC (link)

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Mr. Thompson is a bully.
[info]shaun_skipper
2005-10-17 01:22 pm UTC (link)
That has got to be the most ridiculous letter I have read in a long while. (we could have handled this in private so I wouldn't be humiliated, but it is ok if I humiliate everyone by slinging insults and prank calling people.) Please!!! Gross double standard.

Frankly... Mr. Thompson is a bully. He just doesn't physically punch. However, he pushes and pushes and literally spews insults, threatens to sue whenever he hears something remotely against him. He uses scare tactics and threats of legal action to get "stupid gamers" to stop using simple logic to break down his arguments. In my personal opinion, the letter was well deserved.

I view Mr. Thompson's letter to Senator Lieberman simply thus:

Remember in grade school, when the bully was about to knock you down? As you prepared for the blow someone unexpected, and respected, steps in and tells him to knock it with a swift punch in the face. The Bully starts to cry and whine, and pitifully runs to the teacher and pleads his case, making it sound as if he was the innocent, harmless, little tyke being victimized by the big bad meanie. The teacher shrugs it off because He/She saw the entire thing. Well, you see, Mr. Thompson is that bully. Crying to Senator Lieberman (the teacher) because the unexpected friend (NIMF) just popped him in the face.

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Re: Mr. Thompson is a bully.
[info]jabrwock
2005-10-17 03:24 pm UTC (link)
we could have handled this in private so I wouldn't be humiliated, but it is ok if I humiliate everyone by slinging insults and prank calling people

Ah but Jack will probably either pull a "Jesus did it, so can I" or a "well they went public first!" kind of argument. Sad, reminds me of 4 year olds fighting in the back of the car "He touched me FIRST!"

I view Mr. Thompson's letter to Senator Lieberman simply thus:

I think that's the best analogy of these letters I've seen all weekend.

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[info]yukimurasanada
2005-10-17 01:35 pm UTC (link)
Well, if Sen Lieberman wasn't planning to sever his ties before, he's going to now. JT, perhaps you should check back into the psych ward. You also may wanna get yourself a lawyer, since you are clearly incompetent to be one.

Also, it's good advice that you retract a number of your statments before Take Two and Dave deciede to Sue your ass.

"I hold Take Two responsible for a number of deaths." You did, the courts didn't. Ergo, you just commited slander, since your statement is defammatory and wrong.

And when the hell did you sue best buy successfully? Dennis, did I miss that?

The bible thumping isn't gonna help you. Not everyone follows your belief. Nor is your accusations of Daves letter being "financially motivated". You better get proof of that before you start making accusations.

As for your citing 60 minutes and lou dobbs, thats about the same as showing up on springer or donahue. Neither show has any journalistc integrity or credibility left.

Oh, and good move, calling Doug L a liar. Sorry to say jack, but fact is fact. There has yet to be any solid proof that games cause any harm to minors. There have been however, studies showing the games improve a childs mental abilites significantly. I refuse to link however, since you will not do the same. Link me to a verified study showing brain damage as a result of game play, and I'll link you to the study that showed games increae mental abilites.

This letter is a cry for help from a man who knows he was beaten. Now your running to the Sen. In a desperate cry for help, your asking the Sen. to back you up, but all you have is false claims, outright lies, and slander.

Sorry JT. You failed. Sen. Lieberman is no fool, he knows how the winds are blowing, he knows that people are gonna start pulling away from you. If he's foolish enough to suppport you, then he turns his back on the most respected group in the Video game violence debate.

I doubt he's that foolish.

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Take it all like a man, Jack.
[info]cowboybeboper42
2005-10-17 01:44 pm UTC (link)
I swear, all tghe things Jackie cries over the slight are things he's been doing. But it's wrong now because it happened to him. What a complete idiot!

"I believe you and I both know, as people of faith, that the Biblical principle is that you go privately to the person with whom you have a disagreement and express the concern."

Jack, as I see it, you've never done this to anyone. You've never met with Lowenstein and calmly discuss the issue. From day one you have been treating him, treating all of us, as worse than Saddam HUssein. You seem to only use the Bible to benefit your purposes and ambition. You hardly seem to be a purveyor of Biblical values.

"Doug Lowenstein, in my opinion, is personally responsible for a number of deaths"
Just what the friggin hell is wrong with you, idiot? How dare you say something so stupid, so idiotic, so wrong. And besides, you're no beacon of truth, Jack. If this doesn't damn you any further than I don't know what will

"That is what makes what Dave did so hurtful. Instead of calling me up and talking to me man to man, he wrote a letter to Doug Lowenstein."
Oh please, this is just ike the whole criticism thing. You go and meerily insult decent people and then when it bites back you cry to mommy. I'm glad you got hurt, Jack. Now you know what you've been doing to use. (but then agasin, being hurt is a human emotion, how you can feel that is beyond me).

So why did you really want to have Dennis post this letter? to show us how the loss of a major supported you has led you down the road of failure? That you whine and turn this whole issue about money, that Dr. David Walsh (cut the "Dave" crap and show some respect), seems to have see past your lies and treat Doug as a human being who is not responsible for deaths (that's a low blow even for you) .

Like shaun skipper said, stop being a Bully. Take this all like a man for Pete's sake. Are you capable of doing that?

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Re: Take it all like a man, Jack.
[info]cowboybeboper42
2005-10-17 02:10 pm UTC (link)
I equate this letter to the final scene in Wing Commander IV where Admiral Tolwyn has been exposed for the monster he was. He struggles to keep himself in a good light, only to stop short.

What we all need now is John Rhys Davies to come up, pat Thompson on the shoulder and say, "I've think we've heard enough."

Man, WC4 was an awesome game. ANyone here play it?

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Re: Take it all like a man, Jack. - [info]ryukisargi, 2005-10-17 02:10 pm UTC
Why is Jack seeking help from a liberal...
[info]kungfu_tse
2005-10-17 01:49 pm UTC (link)
when he just called Walsh a liberal in a deragative way? Is he in some kind of double standard?

Jack's view:
Lieberman, Clinton - Good liberal
Walsh, Reno - Bad liberal

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Re: Why is Jack seeking help from a liberal...
[info]shaun_skipper
2005-10-17 01:54 pm UTC (link)
That's funny. Good point. Why is a "republican/conservative" who basically bashed Democrats/Liberals left and right in the letter to Dr. Walsh, suddenly running to another "democrat"? I mean... really?!

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Re: Why is Jack seeking help from a liberal... - [info]jabrwock, 2005-10-17 03:46 pm UTC

[info]jervo
2005-10-17 01:56 pm UTC (link)
1. Boy, Jack Thompson loves pointing out that he's been on TV.

2. Was he always this Biblical?
2a. Does he know that Joe Lieberman is Jewish?

3. Can you really compare Take Two and the Third Reich and expect to be taken seriously?

4. If Dave Walsh sends a letter to Jack Thompson telling Jack to stop being an asshole, with a number of public cc's, Dave Walsh is an asshole. If Jack Thompson sends a letter to Senator Lieberman, whining about it, also with a number of cc's, he is justified because Dave Walsh is still an asshole.

What have we learned? Jack Thompson, your head is so far up your own ass that all you end up doing is talking shit.

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[info]sir_bissel
2005-10-17 02:04 pm UTC (link)
He's going all Old Testement for Joe's sake

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(no subject) - [info]marbledog, 2005-10-17 02:56 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]jervo, 2005-10-17 03:49 pm UTC
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[info]ryukisargi
2005-10-17 02:02 pm UTC (link)
Why in the hell can't this man just shut up?
Jack Thompson, all you claim to be is an "anti-game crusader".
Sure, the younger generation should be restricted. In an IDEAL world.

This world is hardly ideal. Focus with sex and language on TV first, bub.

Then go for the games. I, personally, an a God-loving adult, who in his spare time, loves to play games. Live with it Jackie-boy, because there is just as much adults out there playing games as there is children playing games.

The only law I've seen that's made sense, is the California law that fines game retailers for selling mature-rated games to minors. The parents can damn well buy the game for them.

And to Dr. Walsh : At least your website makes sense. But ease up a bit on Halo 1 and 2, eh? It's all sci-fi and stuff there. At least the blood is all paint-bally.

Question to this community : Was there ever anything on Smash TV when it came out for the NES? I remember it being one of the bloodiest games I've ever played, but no hype whatsoever.

Aah, the good 'ol days...

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[info]jabrwock
2005-10-17 04:05 pm UTC (link)
This world is hardly ideal. Focus with sex and language on TV first, bub.

But in Jack's mind, "interactive" games are WAY worse, and so you could show Debbie does Dallas, the Texas Chainsaw Massacre edition, on primetime, and he would still think GTA:SA is worse.

He still claims to care about the sex & violence on TV, but games are his main focus right now, because CSI isn't a "murder simulator". It's such a good soundbyte, "murder simulator". Scares the crap out of people who don't know better. Can't call a TV show a "murder simulator" because people aren't stupid. But when he links FPS games with military training (leaving out the fact that they use those games to teach tactics, not marksmanship), he can conjure up all sorts of horrible scenarios.

The military does use games for actual training, but those are the simulators, the flight sims, the tank sims, the truck sims, with all the gear, steering wheels, etc. They don't usually do marksmanship training on games except maybe on those ones with full blown rifle-shaped controllers.

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I wonder if he'll go after Spielberg and Peter Jackson...
[info]kungfu_tse
2005-10-17 02:12 pm UTC (link)
Since Jackson is an avid gamer is involved with the King Kong video game.

And Steven Spielberg started the Medal of Honor series, a "murder simulator" where you kill Nazis. Oh wait, it's just Nazis. Well I guess it's okay then. Nothing wrong with killing Nazis, right?

Also add that Vin Diesel was involved with the Chronicles of Riddick game too. A game where you can get into fist fights and shoot guns.

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Re: I wonder if he'll go after Spielberg and Peter Jackson...
[info]cowboybeboper42
2005-10-17 02:15 pm UTC (link)
Chronicles of Riddick is a "space criminal/murder simulator!" The children of the future are doomed with games like this one!

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Re: I wonder if he'll go after Spielberg and Peter Jackson... - [info]kungfu_tse, 2005-10-17 02:18 pm UTC
Re: I wonder if he'll go after Spielberg and Peter Jackson... - [info]sarnoth, 2005-10-18 06:45 am UTC
Gee jack Is Still Being A Jackass
[info]hilaryduffgta
2005-10-17 02:30 pm UTC (link)
Whats Up Gp...Morning Dennis


Man after a Entertaining Night On World Of Warcraft..(im in love with that game) I figured i would Hop on here and see if there was some more hilarious Stuff On Jack..(been a goldmine of jack's stupidity this week and i have Enjoyed it...Good Things to Laugh About..So before i go back to WoW i thought i would make a few comments on Jack's Letter....Oh for this quote from i cant remember the name.."Question to this community : Was there ever anything on Smash TV when it came out for the NES? I remember it being one of the bloodiest games I've ever played, but no hype whatsoever" I remember Smash Tv Damn that is a long time ago...Man Nintendo that was my first game system..*tears*..Nope never heard anything on that game back in the day...of course one reason is cause people just saw it as a video game so its ok.

But *gasp* Gta is real life graphics...*sarcasm big time right now* why i cant tell between The graphics of Gta and Real Life...Why No One Can..*rolls eyes*

Well time To Bury Jack's Letter and Chop it down...My Favorite Part of it..

"Doug Lowenstein, in my opinion, is personally responsible for a number of deaths"

*sniffs the air* can u smell that...that smells like a slander lawsuit right there..and i think doug loweinsten should take his ass to court for slander after all the crap that thompson spews...though i will do thompson one favor..(enjoy) Gather round people Gather Round...*jack sits up there crying into his briefcase* People NobelMen Friends Lend me your ears..*everyone takes off there left Ear and throws them all at my direction* (major points if u know what movie that is from) Hint Mel Brooks!

Ok Didnt ReallY pay Attention to this part but Yeaaa Ok.

"That is what makes what Dave did so hurtful. Instead of calling me up and talking to me man to man, he wrote a letter to Doug Lowenstein"

No Jack he wrote a letter to you saying in the nicest way.."you are a moron and i dont want anything to do with you stay the hell away from me"

" I made enemies in the process. I am proud to count Doug Lowenstein as one of them"

Yea Jack thats great Be Proud that you have made enemies out of Gamers..Out of people with intelligience cause you obviously dont have any...

Now This Im just curious about so Hopefully Jack will answer it without insulting me *Rolls Eyes* Hey i can dream cant i...

"
You see, Senator, I am presently suing Best Buy and Target over Take-Two's planned release of Bully, a Columbine simulator in which you can bludgeon your classmates and teachers"

Now Jack how can you take a store to court over a game that is not even out yet.....How does that work...You are aware that Adults Do Go Into Best Buy..I mean come on Jack ur not gonna tell me u think everyplace that sells video games is only getting business from children...Please tell us you arent that stupid!

"I wish you all of God's best. I wish people like Take-Two all of Satan's worst. Dave Walsh would not say that, and that is part of his charm. Some of us were not called to be charming. I want to win this thing, not for my sake, but because lives are at stake" Now am i the Only One who thinks he sounds Totally Mental right there I mean Really Really Lost his Marbles....

Please Jack seek help and learn to just live a normal Life..with all the stress u get under it isnt healthy..Trying Relaxing some time to some Music and Some Grand theft Auto...Or Manhunt You really would be suprised how much of a Stress reliever not to mention how Helpful it is to take out anger and aggression of Pixilated People Instead Of Actual Human beings...See jack that is the Difference between Murderer and A Gamer...Try listening to some Hilary Duff Jack..its filled with songs of love..Not of hate....Its a SPirit Journey (and if u know that line then You have my respect)

Jack In CLosing You are Full Of Crap

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Confused? Me too.
[info]shaun_skipper
2005-10-17 03:28 pm UTC (link)
From Your Post and Mr. Thompson's Letter.

"You see, Senator, I am presently suing Best Buy and Target over Take-Two's planned release of Bully, a Columbine simulator in which you can bludgeon your classmates and teachers"

Now Jack how can you take a store to court over a game that is not even out yet....."


GREAT POINT. I've been chewing on this comment too (trying to figure out what possibly Mr. Thompson is suing over). Ultimately, I would love to read the pleading, because I am really struggling to find a viable cause of action here? Especially when the game is yet to be released... Tort... maybe... but even that is a big time stretch. I smell a 12 (b) (6) motion for failure to state a claim.

Overall, I don't think that this would be a valid suit. Apparently, even you "stupid gamers", with no legal training, understand that. Unfortunately, Mr. Thompson doesn't.

ALso, I went to Best Buys all over the place. They are not pre-selling Bully. At least none of the ones I went to.

FInally, I'm NOT a lawyer and this does not constitute legal advice. If you need a lawyer, please seek licensed counsel.

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Re: Confused? Me too. - [info]jabrwock, 2005-10-17 03:37 pm UTC
Re: Confused? Me too. - [info]shaun_skipper, 2005-10-17 03:40 pm UTC
Jack's injunction against Bully - [info]jabrwock, 2005-10-17 04:35 pm UTC
Re: Jack's injunction against Bully - [info]shaun_skipper, 2005-10-17 05:05 pm UTC
Re: Jack's injunction against Bully - [info]uglyface2, 2005-10-18 12:39 am UTC
Re: Jack's injunction against Bully - [info]jabrwock, 2005-10-18 01:00 am UTC
Re: Confused? Me too. - [info]shaun_skipper, 2005-10-17 03:39 pm UTC
Re: Confused? Me too. - [info]shaun_skipper, 2005-10-17 03:42 pm UTC
Re: Confused? Me too. - [info]jabrwock, 2005-10-17 04:00 pm UTC
Bla bla bla.
[info]quad9damage
2005-10-17 02:37 pm UTC (link)
He reminds me of Grampa Simpson writing people angry letters.

Dear Advertisers,
I am disgusted with the way old people are depicted on television.
We are not all vibrant, fun-loving sex maniacs. Many of us are bitter,
resentful individuals who remember the good old days when entertainment
was bland and inoffensive. The following is a list of words I never
want to hear on television again. Number one: Bra. Number two: Horny.
Number three: Family Jewels.

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el oh el
(Anonymous)
2005-10-17 02:43 pm UTC (link)
I am Jack's last desperate stand.

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Affidavit?
[info]jabrwock
2005-10-17 03:31 pm UTC (link)
The very day I sent Dave a draft of an affidavit for him to sign for our wrongful death case in Alabama, Dave, instead of calling me wrote this letter saying that I needed to stop suggesting publicly and otherwise that he endorses what I do.

So you didn't actually want him to write one himself, you just sent one for him to sign?

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God is with the gamers
[info]kilika_stryfe
2005-10-17 04:00 pm UTC (link)
You're an awful Christian, Jack Thompson. You give Christians a bad name by slandering and hurting others. Its people like you who make other Christians have to apologize for your negative and hurtful actions. You're using the Lord's name in vain by using him to boost your image. You should be ashamed of yourself, instead of the people who are ashamed to be of the same faith as you. Your hate and anger make people turn their hearts away from what is good, which is a much bigger sin than any of the crap that you blame on others.

But who am I to judge? Everybody's actions are to be judged by the Lord, not by senile old lawyers who just use faith only to bring hurt and pain to others. You have no right to judge anyone, like the Bible says.

God is just as strong with gamers, as He is with you and everybody else. He would never abandon His children, whether they be gamers or douchbags like yourself.

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Re: God is with the gamers
(Anonymous)
2005-10-17 04:17 pm UTC (link)
You're an awful Christian, Jack Thompson. You give Christians a bad name by slandering and hurting others. Its people like you who make other Christians have to apologize for your negative and hurtful actions. You're using the Lord's name in vain by using him to boost your image. You should be ashamed of yourself, instead of the people who are ashamed to be of the same faith as you. Your hate and anger make people turn their hearts away from what is good, which is a much bigger sin than any of the crap that you blame on others. But who am I to judge? Everybody's actions are to be judged by the Lord, not by senile old lawyers who just use faith only to bring hurt and pain to others. You have no right to judge anyone, like the Bible says. God is just as strong with gamers, as He is with you and everybody else. He would never abandon His children, whether they be gamers or douchbags like yourself.
Amen, brother!!!

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Re: God is with the gamers - [info]laurens_a_dork, 2005-10-18 07:01 pm UTC
Re: God is with the gamers - [info]sarnoth, 2005-10-18 06:47 am UTC
Uh
[info]metoollhead
2005-10-17 04:34 pm UTC (link)
Can someone PLEASE tell me why Jack thinks Houser is a sociopath? His explanation was perfectly reasonable.

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Re: Uh
[info]jabrwock
2005-10-17 04:42 pm UTC (link)
Can someone PLEASE tell me why Jack thinks Houser is a sociopath? His explanation was perfectly reasonable.

Something about Houser's legal team "character assassinating" Jack. As if they needed to try hard...

Jack said he sent a letter refuting all of Houser's "points", but Dennis hasn't posted it yet, so I can't really comment that much.

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Re: Uh - [info]hilaryduffgta, 2005-10-17 04:43 pm UTC
Re: if you don't agree with Jack's methods - [info]jabrwock, 2005-10-17 05:05 pm UTC
Re: Uh - [info]lowe0 [deadjournal], 2005-10-17 10:17 pm UTC

[info]justincognito
2005-10-17 04:41 pm UTC (link)
Well, technically speaking, Joe Lieberman's slowly sliding away from "liberal." He's defended limitless detention at Guantanamo Bay and the teaching of creationism in schools.

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[info]jabrwock
2005-10-17 04:43 pm UTC (link)
He's defended limitless detention at Guantanamo Bay and the teaching of creationism in schools.

Really? Bugger.

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(Anonymous)
2005-10-17 05:16 pm UTC (link)
JT, why are you bringing Lieberman into a dispute between you and Walsh? you said Walsh should have handled this privatly, yet you do the exact same thing, several times. first you send not one, but two letters you write to Walsh to Dennis to be posted on the internet, and now you send another public letter to Lieberman.

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It begins...
[info]jabrwock
2005-10-17 05:42 pm UTC (link)
Jack's usual tactic. Send many letters off to many people, whether they care or not. He's probably CC'd the same list that Walsh did, which was the same list that Jack usually CC's.

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(Anonymous)
2005-10-17 06:54 pm UTC (link)
He's so alone, he's trying to get friends behind him

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[info]joshdavis271
2005-10-22 12:30 am UTC (link)
So he is trying to discredit Walsh, just because he talks to lowenstien, he does not accept bribes, read dungeons and dreamers to see what he is about, he is mentioned in the chapter entitled, gamers interupted.

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