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Thompson Fires Back at Walsh, NIMF

Miami attorney Jack Thompson wasted little time in responding to a very public censure delivered yesterday by Dr. David Walsh, founder of the National Institute on Media and the Family.

The controversial anti-game activist dashed off a pair of letters to Walsh, forwarding copies to GP. Thompson added increasingly scathing comments in several subsequent e-mails. In this post GP reproduces Thompson's letters.

Thompson's First Letter:

Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 6:01 PM

Dave, I received your letter today. A couple of clarifications, if I'm allowed to do that.

I have never given the impression that you are anything other than a remarkably talented and insightful professional who has been sounding the alarm for many years about the dangers of adult entertainment when consumed by kids. I started doing that in 1987. Not sure as to the precise date you started, but it has been a long time.

I have never said to anyone that you and I are in league with one another. I did recommend that 60 Minutes and Reader's Digest talk to you about the Alabama wrongful death case. I think it is fair to say you would not have been on those programs if I had not recommended you. I was happen to do it. As you recall, I got you the video gamer to sit with in Tuscaloosa to show the violent content of GTA: Vice City. I was happy to do it.

You will also recall that it was I that urged you to go forward on the "Hot Coffee mod" scandal. You repeatedly called me for legal advice and I freely gave it. As you know, I prepped Senator Clinton, per her staff's request, before she had her splendid "Hot Coffee" news conference. As you will recall, you called me to let me know you were on your way to Washington to do that press conference with her. I was happy for you.

I certainly did, however, lose respect for Senator Clinton when she decided, after that, to attend a fundraiser thrown for her by the video game industry and by ESA's Doug Lowenstein. To me, that was a sell-out for campaign cash. It may be that because you raise money for your organization you understand the needs of fundraising, but to take money from the ESA is to take blood money. The parents I represented in Paducah would not understand, nor do I. I note you send Doug Lowenstein, your letter to me. That is quite odd, given the things you have said to me about him in the past.

I am wondering just who, David, these people are whom I have criticized "who have worked to improve the lives of children." Do you have in mind the folks at Best Buy, one of whom you copied with your letter? I know you get money from people connected with these folks, David, but you do know that Best Buy is presently pre-selling, to adults and to children, the Columbine simulator game, Bully? You do know that, right, David? Of course you do. I told you Best Buy was doing that. So is the Target Corporation, whose Chairman Bob Ulrich you copy with your letter. I am wondering, David, what these men have to do to get on your bad side? Do they actually have to do the physical bullying of kids, as selling a bullying rehearsal trainer to kids is okay?

Finally, Dave, I understand that your letter is more about protecting your funding sources than criticizing me, so I understand what you felt you had to do. But there is something else here. Your role in this fight is indispensable - or I should say has been, as you maybe have decided to go a different route now - and I applaud you for what you have done.

But the thing that makes you feel uncomfortable with me is no so much that I have gone too far but that you have not gone far enough. The time for hand-wringing and trying to "persuade" the bad guys to stop being bad was over quite sometime ago. Now I understand the mindset of the upper Midwest, especially in the Twin Cities. Everybody likes to get along, assume that everyone "means well," and things will all just work out for the best in the end.

I know, and you know, if you are being honest, that that is not how the world works. Evil people sometimes have to be stopped, or at least their evil has to be stopped. You can cite all the studies and all the findings and keep giving your video game report card to Congress, and it will not matter unless somebody gets into the trenches and stops these people. While you have been giving report cards on a bunch of sociopaths, the violent games have been getting more violent.

Senator Lieberman, bless his heart, wants with Senator Clinton to fund a study with taxpayer dollars to find out if violence in entertainment really makes kids violent. That was decided years ago. It is a dodge from having to do something about the violence. The entire ESRB rating system is a joke. It is a tool for marketing violence to kids. It does not stop the sale of violence to kids. You know that. It would be better if we had no system, and then parents would not have been fooled for more than a decade into thinking that the system was actually protecting their kids.

Liberals, like you, love to label things and then think that the labeling has accomplished something. If that had been the case, then Churchill's calling Hitler a Nazi would have ended the war. But no, people like me had to get into the trenches and stop the Nazis. And there were always those tut-tutting back home about what a nasty business it is to stop the bad people, and can't we all just "get along."

Actually, Dave, and this is the point: We can't just all get along. You want to criticize retailers like Best Buy, while at the same time taking their money. That is what prompts your letter to me decrying my tactics and my hyperbole and so forth.

I have been dismayed by your being on both sides of the fence, because it undercuts your credibility.

Dave, it is laughable, it is absurd, that you have copied your email to Bill Gates, of all people. This is a guy whose Halo trained Malvo to kill in D.C. This is a guy who now has put all the Grand Theft Auto games on his XBox. This is a man who is going to release Bully when the coast is clear in the spring.

Gates is a man who wants to be on both sides of a fence. Sound familiar?

Regards, Jack Thompson

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Thompson's Second Letter:

October 14, 2005

Dear Dave:

It is interesting that you sent your useful letter (useful to us) to Doug Lowenstein immediately after you received my request for an affidavit in Strickland v. Sony.

If you shared this confidential affidavit with Doug Lowenstein, or with anybody else, as you shared your letter with the video game industry, then you have a problem.

Unfortunately, Dave, you have opened up the issue of your organization's funding. Bad move.

You liked your collaboration with me when I got you on 60 Minutes, but not when it inconvenienced your cozy relationship with Best Buy and the rest of the video game industry.

You got some pretty bad legal advice in this, Dave, but that does not surprise. You're talking to attorney Elliott Kaplan, who sits on the Best Buy board.

Regards, Jack Thompson




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Halo trained Malvo, huh?
[info]shatterjack
2005-10-14 11:41 pm UTC (link)
"This is a guy whose Halo trained Malvo to kill in D.C."

Ah, yes. It was Halo that trained Lee Malvo to fire a rifle. It was most definitely not his father John Mohammed, the military-trained sniper whom Malvo accompanied, and who actually performed most of the shootings.

Thanks for clearing that up, Jack.

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[info]beelzebozo
2005-10-14 11:42 pm UTC (link)
Calling... Hitler... a... Nazi...?

WTF

Nazi was the short name for the party that Hitler belonged to. It's like calling Bush a Republican. So?!?!

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Jack Thompson's feeble flailings.
[info]automancer
2005-10-15 12:01 am UTC (link)
As well versed and long-winded that letter is. He still insists to feed Dr. Dave Walsh a few "back-handed complements". He attributes his behaviour on the fact that he is a resident of the midwest (so am I) and that his completely rational thought is the result of this. This letter reveals more of Jack Thompson's character than I would care to know. To him (Thompson) we are the "bad guys" and we are evil. He makes mention of the Nazis which is completely irrelevent and he STILL believes Malvo trained on Halo using a Playstation.

In his next letter he tries to pin some sort of financial...thing to the company which really makes no sense. It's like he is struggling to try and discredit them or something. Also, I'll bet that link is still on his site despite NIMF's request for him to remove it.

-Auto

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(no subject) - [info]jabrwock, 2005-10-15 12:16 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kungfu_tse, 2005-10-15 03:43 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-10-15 04:35 am UTC
There you go Jack, comparing gamers to Nazis
[info]quartermaine
2005-10-14 11:43 pm UTC (link)
"Liberals, like you, love to label things and then think that the labeling has accomplished something. If that had been the case, then Churchill's calling Hitler a Nazi would have ended the war. But no, people like me had to get into the trenches and stop the Nazis. And there were always those tut-tutting back home about what a nasty business it is to stop the bad people, and can't we all just "get along."

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Re: There you go Jack, comparing gamers to Nazis
[info]ferrarimanf355
2005-10-15 12:47 am UTC (link)
He's invoking Godwin's law AGAIN???
Hey Jack, you lose AGAIN, good day sir! :)

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Calling Hitler a Nazi isn't an insult, duh - [info]jabrwock, 2005-10-15 01:51 am UTC
Oh, and about the Washington DC sniper attacks
[info]quartermaine
2005-10-14 11:46 pm UTC (link)
Look what I found.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Allen_Muhammad

Excerpt:

In the Army, Muhammad was trained as a mechanic, truck driver and specialist metalworker. He qualified as an expert with the M-16, the Army's standard infantry rifle. This rating is the Army's highest of three levels of marksmanship for a typical soldier. To receive an expert badge for the M-16, Muhammad would have had to hit 36 out of 40 targets, ranging from 50 to 300 meters during his yearly qualification on the M-16. The Bushmaster, allegedly used to commit the shootings, is a civilian version of the M-16. All the sniper victims—10 dead, three wounded—were hit by a single .223-caliber shot.

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Re: Oh, and about the Washington DC sniper attacks
[info]quartermaine
2005-10-14 11:49 pm UTC (link)
The first post was about the adult. Look what I found about the kid.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lee_Malvo

Excerpt:

He pleaded not guilty by reason of insanity to all charges on the grounds that he was under the total control of John Allen Muhammad. One of Malvo's psychiatric witnesses testified that Muhammad, a member of Louis Farrakhan's Nation of Islam, a black separatist movement, had indoctrinated him into believing that the proceeds of the extortion attempt would be used to begin a new nation of only pure black young persons somewhere in Canada.

Another excerpt:

While in the Tacoma, Washington area, according to his statements to investigators, Malvo shoplifted the Bushmaster XM-15 assault rifle from Bull's Eye Shooter Supply, a dealer for Bushmaster Firearms, Inc., manufacturer and distributor based in Windham, Maine. About the same time, his partner Muhammad, practiced his marksmanship on Bull's Eye firing range. Under federal laws, neither was legally allowed to purchase guns.

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Re: Oh, and about the Washington DC sniper attacks - [info]joshdavis271, 2005-10-15 09:57 am UTC
Here we go again...
[info]tconx
2005-10-14 11:59 pm UTC (link)
He just loves comparing stuff to Nazi's. No wonder he likes Rich Santorum so much!

Jackhole, what are you after. Do you want to protect kids, or destroy part of the entertainment industry? Walsh wants to protect kids, and the best way to do that is to make sure that parents know what their kids are playing. Grand Theft Auto and Bully are not made for kids, and the ESRB says that right on the Box. Walsh wants to make sure parents are aware of this.

You, on the other hand, don't seem to understand that a majority of gamers are well over the age of 18, and that they enjoy, and can handle, this violent entertainment. It's like beer. You don't let kids under 21 (18 here in Canada) drink it because it's bad for them... but you don't go to war with the liquor companies bacause someone who consumed their product got in a car crash!

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Re: Here we go again...
[info]jabrwock
2005-10-15 01:53 am UTC (link)
destroy part of the entertainment industry

Jack has stated before that Take Two is "going down". As well as anyone else who makes games that are violent.

You don't let kids under 21 (18 here in Canada) drink it because it's bad for them

Except in Saskatchewan and BC (damn 19!). :) Doesn't matter to me though, I'm 27. :D

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Re: Here we go again... - [info]billboy2000, 2005-10-17 02:27 pm UTC
Let's see...
[info]catch_33
2005-10-14 11:59 pm UTC (link)
Accusations of being in cahoots with the industry: Check.

Accusations of not truly working in the best interest of the children: Check.

Slanderous and baseless comments towards the industry: Check.


Guess I get to call myself Nostradamus now huh? :)

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Re: Let's see...
[info]jabrwock
2005-10-15 12:13 am UTC (link)
OMFG, Catch_33 is Notradamus reincarnated!!! :P

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Jack is ticked hahahahaha - [info]joshdavis271, 2005-10-15 09:51 am UTC
Someone needs an editor
(Anonymous)
2005-10-15 12:07 am UTC (link)
"A couple of clarifications, if I'm allowed to do that." <- Incomplete sentense.

"Not sure as to the precise date you started, but it has been a long time." <- Another incomplete sentense. We're starting to sound like a powerpoint slide.

"I think it is fair to say you would not have been on those programs if I had not recommended you. I was happen to do it." <- Happen to do it? Oopsie.

"I know you get money from people connected with these folks, David, but you do know that Best Buy is presently pre-selling, to adults and to children, the Columbine simulator game, Bully? You do know that, right, David? Of course you do." Yeah, thats professional.

"Evil people sometimes have to be stopped" is that a threat?

"Liberals, like you, love to label things and then think that the labeling has accomplished something." I love how it gets nuttier and nuttier. Read the first line and then this line again.

"Dave, it is laughable, it is absurd, that you have copied your email to Bill Gates, of all people. This is a guy whose Halo trained Malvo to kill in D.C. This is a guy who now has put all the Grand Theft Auto games on his XBox. This is a man who is going to release Bully when the coast is clear in the spring."

I wonder what word processor and operating system Thompson used to write this exceptionally bad letter.

Holy cow. For a lawyer, this guy has some serious problems articulating himself. I wonder if he was using the Microsoft Word while writing about what an evil man Bill Gates is.

How soon until we see this guy strapping a bomb to himself and blowing up a Best Buy? I think a letter to the department of homeland security is in order. If this isn't extremeism, I dont know what is.

Mike Shea
http://mikeshea.net/

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Re: Someone needs an editor
[info]joshdavis271
2005-10-15 09:53 am UTC (link)
WE, gamers are evil in his eyes, he even hates that childs's play charity.

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Re: Someone needs an editor - [info]woundwalker, 2005-10-15 10:23 am UTC
Re: Someone needs an editor - (Anonymous), 2005-10-16 05:20 am UTC
Re: Someone needs an editor - (Anonymous), 2005-10-17 08:34 pm UTC

(Anonymous)
2005-10-15 12:10 am UTC (link)
Godwin's law! Jack Thompson loses

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[info]jabrwock
2005-10-15 12:14 am UTC (link)
Godwin's law! Jack Thompson lose

Lol, so true.

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[info]khy
2005-10-15 12:10 am UTC (link)
jesus h. christ!

judging from the sound of those letters, Jack Thompson is a dangerous, dangerous man. you can actually feel the heat emitting from those letters. I swear, the guy has no limits, his unmoving determination to destroy videogames shakes me to my core.

when i picture Jack at home, i imagine him sleeping on a bed of nails, and at breakfast, he eats a big bowl of frosted RAW MEAT. he probably doesn't even have doors on his houses, because he's so badass, no one would ever rob him. i bet he uses a brick to brush his teeth. my goodness, you don't get meaner than that.
_

all joking aside. this statement makes me laugh.

"This is a guy whose Halo trained Malvo to kill in D.C."

... does he realize when we play Halo, we are pressing little buttons a on controller, that causes our virtual gun to shoot blob of green lasers at our enemies? listen Thompson, WE DONT KNOW HOW TO USE A GUN BY PLAYING HALO NOR WOULD HALO BE AN EFFECTIVE TRAINING TOOL FOR MURDERING SOMEONE. that's like assuming i could fly a plane by playing Flight Simulator (omg, this game trained terrorists!)

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To be fair...
[info]grombar
2005-10-15 12:17 am UTC (link)
Flight scools do make use of flight sims as part of their training programs (though, of course, field experience is where the real training comes in).

However, flight sims are different from any other sort of game, in that the controls more or less correspond to their real life equivalents. In a flight sim, you sit down, pull levers and push buttons. In a real plane, you sit down, pull levers and push buttons.

When it comes to Halo -- well, it's clear to see that a controller in no way equals a sniper rifle. If playing Halo makes you a great sniper, then playing Madden makes you a great football player.

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Re: To be fair... - [info]andrew_eisen, 2005-10-15 12:25 am UTC
Re: To be fair... - [info]cowboybeboper42, 2005-10-15 12:31 am UTC
Re: To be fair... - [info]andrew_eisen, 2005-10-15 12:52 am UTC
Re: To be fair... - [info]cowboybeboper42, 2005-10-15 01:13 am UTC
Re: To be fair... - [info]andrew_eisen, 2005-10-15 01:33 am UTC
God Mode - [info]jabrwock, 2005-10-15 01:58 am UTC
Re: God Mode - [info]grombar, 2005-10-15 06:00 am UTC
Re: To be fair... - (Anonymous), 2005-10-15 12:26 am UTC
Re: To be fair... - [info]catch_33, 2005-10-15 01:05 am UTC
0_o
[info]jabrwock
2005-10-15 12:12 am UTC (link)
It amazes me how the first letter starts off nice enough "I respect you, etc", and then slowly degerates into a tirade against Dr. Walsh "god damn liberal". Wait, no that doesn't surprise me at all...

As for letter #2 "I know you betrayed me bitch, I fucking own your ass..."

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Not a well-advised tactic
[info]andrew_eisen
2005-10-15 12:20 am UTC (link)
Pay particular attention to the way Thompson addresses Walsh.

Dave.

Not Mr. Walsh. Not David.

Dave.

Also notice that the frequency with which Thompson addresses Walsh by his shortened first name increases dramatically as the letter progresses and leads into the second.

Now look at how Walsh opened and closed his letter.

Dear Mr. Thompson

David Walsh, PH.D.

Many things can be said about Thompson’s letters but this is what I find the most amusing:

Jack Thompson is attempting to use first semester psychology on a man who has a PhD in that field.


Andrew Eisen

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Re: Not a well-advised tactic
[info]catch_33
2005-10-15 01:40 am UTC (link)
Jack Thompson is attempting to use first semester psychology on a man who has a PhD in that field.

Well, he's not exactly known for his intelligence, now is he? :) He also acts like some kind of video game expert, but clearly, he isn't.

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Well, at least Thompson remembered to use the Shift key... - [info]kungfu_tse, 2005-10-15 03:46 am UTC

[info]crimson_mage
2005-10-15 12:25 am UTC (link)
How does a man become an attorney - or even get through college - writing so poorly and coming out with such far-flung, hyperbolic arguments? All the evident mental instability aside, he just sounds terribly ill-equipped in the intelligence department.

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[info]joshdavis271
2005-10-15 10:02 am UTC (link)
If he can pass the bar exam, then I know I definatly can, It seems that they let any nut case become a lawyer.

That letter is clear that jack will lose all crediblity now, David Walsh is a pretty respected person, as I understand.

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[info]zhai
2005-10-15 12:28 am UTC (link)
This is excellent. He's doing more for free speech in videogames with this letter than he realizes. Carry on, Mr. Thompson! Show those colors!

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[info]joshdavis271
2005-10-15 10:02 am UTC (link)
Don't encourage him.

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Why send the letter to Gates?
[info]cowboybeboper42
2005-10-15 12:39 am UTC (link)
I have a feeling that the reason why Dr. Walsh sent the letter to industry figures including Bill Gates is to let all the people who Jack has slandered and been downright cruel to know that they no longer support the crazed lunatic. Oh, and what about your 54 day ultimatum against Micrsoft, Jack? Just as I thought, an empty threat.

Jack, you can write any letters and press releases you want about bashing a group you were formerly associated with. The bottom line is that they have seen the light. They see a problem with distancing themselves from someone who spouts out rediculous, outlandish and hurtful things that are so very, very far from truth. Now if only more people would make this smart move and get this guy out of the debate once and for all.

You lost, Jack. Take it like a man.

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Re: Why send the letter to Gates?
[info]joshdavis271
2005-10-15 10:05 am UTC (link)
Now our next move is to get tne senators against violent games to work with the ESA to educate parents about the rating system a little better.

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Thompson has signed his own death sentance
[info]yukimurasanada
2005-10-15 12:42 am UTC (link)
At least for his carrer anyway. Havning turned on Dr. Walsh is a major mistake, and having accused him of the things he has is an even bigger one. If Walsh wants he could sue Thompson for slander and defamatory statements in a heart beat, as we all know Thompson has zero proof to back up his claims.

Walsh made a choice, he choose to try and solve the real problem. He actually does care about what he's doing. Thompson never has and never will, it was always about the money, no matter what he says.

I can only hope that others see this and demand that Thompson be disbarred for his actions, as this is improper and vile conduct for a lawyer. I have many friends who are lawyers, thanks to my sis, and they all agree that he's a fucking embaressment to there profession.

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Re: Thompson has signed his own death sentance
[info]hilaryduffgta
2005-10-15 12:44 am UTC (link)
he is a fucking embarresment to lawyers and to human beings everywhere...thats why the fucker needs to be stopped..some people are buying his shit and starting to believe that all gamers are violent and abusive people and it is crap..i will laugh the day he gets Disbarred

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Re: Thompson has signed his own death sentance - [info]_jeckel, 2005-10-15 01:11 am UTC
Re: Thompson has signed his own death sentance - [info]hilaryduffgta, 2005-10-15 01:44 am UTC
Re: Thompson has signed his own death sentance - [info]joshdavis271, 2005-10-15 10:09 am UTC
Re: Thompson has signed his own death sentance - [info]userj, 2005-10-17 09:17 pm UTC
I see Jack doing something soon
[info]hilaryduffgta
2005-10-15 12:43 am UTC (link)
FIrst of all this Line is Really Lame and pathetic


"David, but you do know that Best Buy is presently pre-selling, to adults and to children, the Columbine simulator game, Bully? You do know that, right, David? Of course you do. I told you Best Buy was doing that" But at least Jack now admits that he doesnt want anyone playing video games..adults or children..its obvious because uhhh gee even if rockstar was stupid enough to make Bully to where u have guns in it i think that is a bit to extreme and they now where to draw the line..I Honestly see Jack just losing it one of these days and As a adult male walks out of gamestop with a new copy of Gta 4 and the ps3..I think Jack will Just lose it and go and beat the crap out of the guy and his wife and infant..People Like Jack need to be stopped and im glad its happening...Well jack never answered my thread so i am assuming he checked either box a or b.....so jack is either homosexual or Bisexual....LMao Ha Ha Ha

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The 2nd letter
(Anonymous)
2005-10-15 01:05 am UTC (link)

It is interesting that you sent your useful letter (useful to us) to Doug Lowenstein immediately after you received my request for an affidavit in Strickland v. Sony.

If you shared this confidential affidavit with Doug Lowenstein, or with anybody else, as you shared your letter with the video game industry, then you have a problem.

Why would he have a problem having sent his letter to Doug Lowenstien after he received JT's request for an affidavit? (not being a lawyer I really don't understand this particular issue) But why would you even threaten any kind of legal action (as you generally do) when you have no proof that he told Lowenstin about it? (as inferred from your letter) Of course thanks to this letter, which as I understand it was cc'd to Doug anyways, wouldn't you have simply told him that information yourself?

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Re: The 2nd letter
[info]jabrwock
2005-10-15 01:44 am UTC (link)
Yeah that part confused the crap out of me. Jack asks Dr. Walsh for a sworn statement, then accuses Walsh of telling Doug that Jack asked him for it? If Walsh didn't give Jack the affidavit, what does it matter if he tells Doug about the request? Unless Jack wanted Walsh to say very specific things?

???

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Re: The 2nd letter - [info]joshdavis271, 2005-10-15 10:13 am UTC
Re: The 2nd letter - (Anonymous), 2005-10-15 12:46 pm UTC

[info]jacque_q
2005-10-15 01:06 am UTC (link)
Poor JT. He has no friends anywhere. No one likes him. Not even the folks who might agree with him.

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[info]kungfu_tse
2005-10-15 03:49 am UTC (link)
Which probably explains why he's such an attention whore and ends all of this messages with "Contact Jack Thompson" and his phone number.

Please call me! I need attention! I love being on TV!

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Again...
[info]_jeckel
2005-10-15 01:08 am UTC (link)
"The entire ESRB rating system is a joke. It is a tool for marketing violence to kids. It does not stop the sale of violence to kids. You know that. It would be better if we had no system, and then parents would not have been fooled for more than a decade into thinking that the system was actually protecting their kids."

Jack, yet again, we must tell you, the ESRB does not prevent kids from buying and playing games, ONLY THE PARENTS CAN, and the ESRB is meant as a guide to the parents for what is good for them or thier kids, NOT A LAW TO PREVENT KIDS FROM BUYING "VIOLENT" GAMES!!!! No one can prevent kids from playing "violent" games, unless you stick mini-cameras behind the couch to spy on what the kids play on the TV. That, as we all know, would infringe the fourth amendment...

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Re: Again...
[info]cowboybeboper42
2005-10-15 01:19 am UTC (link)
"Senator Lieberman, bless his heart, wants with Senator Clinton to fund a study with taxpayer dollars to find out if violence in entertainment really makes kids violent. That was decided years ago. It is a dodge from having to do something about the violence. The entire ESRB rating system is a joke."

Senator Lieberman has praised the ESRB, Jack. The only joke here is you! Snap! :p

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Re: Again... - [info]catch_33, 2005-10-15 01:23 am UTC
Re: Again... - [info]cowboybeboper42, 2005-10-15 02:50 am UTC
Re: Again... - [info]catch_33, 2005-10-15 03:26 am UTC
Re: Again... - [info]joshdavis271, 2005-10-15 10:16 am UTC

[info]i_am_stillwater
2005-10-15 01:10 am UTC (link)
um... I'm confused.

Is this really Jack Thompson? Or is this, perhaps, the Bizarro-Thompson? Because I don't know why, but his sentences seem fucked up all around the damned letters.

I miss the good old Jack Thompson we all knew and loved. *teardrop*

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[info]joshdavis271
2005-10-15 10:25 am UTC (link)
No, in bizzaro world, Jack thompson is pro-gamer and is a sane man, in reality, he is a loony(an over used term to discribe Jack Thompson)

I congratulate Dr. Dave for discrediting you, you should not have insulted jhim and have claimed what you claim, you will lose alot of respect from the parents and possibly Senator clinton, you see, Dr. walsh is a pretty respected man and he is a lot more polite then you.

I rather David Walsh to be my opponent then you in this debate, that way we can have someone from the Anti-gaming side who does not insult the gaming industry the way you do, things would be resolved more quickly if NIMF and The ESA work together to help educate parents on the rating system, I am all for education not legislation.

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(no subject) - [info]hiddenaspect, 2005-10-15 11:46 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]i_am_stillwater, 2005-10-15 11:52 am UTC

[info]uglyface2
2005-10-15 01:13 am UTC (link)
I've got to make a point here:

Liberals, like you, love to label things and then think that the labeling has accomplished something.

Thompson has just called Walsh a liberal.

Reflect on the gravity of that comment. In some conservative circles, calling somebody a liberal is the equivalent of calling a priest a heretic, a scientist a fraud, or any number of other things. I'm sure you can come up with others.

In effect, Thompson has just said, "You can't fire me, I quit!" He's distancing himself from Walsh. It's a bad move, as NIMF is probably the greatest link to being recognized by the mainstream media as he's had. He should have apologized and promised to change. Now he's cut off one of his only ties to legitimacy.

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[info]catch_33
2005-10-15 01:19 am UTC (link)
Essentially, he's burnt his biggest bridge. I don't if that's the funniest thing in the world, or the saddest.

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liberal = worst insult you can hurl at a conservative - [info]jabrwock, 2005-10-15 01:46 am UTC
Re: liberal = worst insult you can hurl at a conservative - [info]cowboybeboper42, 2005-10-15 02:54 am UTC
Re: liberal = worst insult you can hurl at a conservative - [info]userj, 2005-10-17 09:09 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]kungfu_tse, 2005-10-15 03:51 am UTC
Act of Futility
[info]catch_33
2005-10-15 01:17 am UTC (link)
If JT was actually trying to save face with those letters, he failed miserably. If Walsh didn't completely hate him before, he sure as hell does now. I mean, he actually dared to accuse Walsh of not trying hard enough to "stop the evil". There's no evil to stop, and Walsh knows this.

JT's lack of intelligence and stubborn reluctance to abandon a position with no chance of coming out on top is mind-boggling.

I have something to ask of Mr Thompson. It mainly regards the failed game legislation, lawsuits, and protests. I even put it in biblical terms: If the video game industry is Goliath, then why is the stone from David's slingshot not having any effect on us?

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Re: Act of Futility
(Anonymous)
2005-10-15 01:28 am UTC (link)
Isn't it great how he starts to frame things in moralistic, almost biblical terms himself? As though he is a holy crusader.

Given Mr. Thompson's repugnant misconceptions about Islam, it's particularly ironic to see him resorting to the same jihadism he is so eager to associate with that religion.

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Re: Act of Futility - [info]catch_33, 2005-10-15 01:43 am UTC
Re: Act of Futility - [info]joshdavis271, 2005-10-15 10:28 am UTC
Re: Act of Futility - (Anonymous), 2005-10-15 01:30 am UTC
Re: Act of Futility - [info]catch_33, 2005-10-15 01:42 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2005-10-15 01:20 am UTC (link)
According to ebgames.com, Bully comes out on 4/1/2006. So how is Best Buy presently selling the game to kids and adults? Does he mean pre-orders?

Silly JT, facts are for kids!

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[info]catch_33
2005-10-15 01:29 am UTC (link)
Yeah, he means pre-orders. But what he fails to realize is, the kids who pre-order the game will have to show ID not only to be eligible to buy the game, if it's rated M, but to be able to recieve the copy period. See, you have to show thme your ID, they look into the computer, then give you your game. And when they see your ID doesn't say 17 or above on it, they're not going to sell you the game if it's rated M.

Hah. Ownage to the tenth power, courtesy of someone without frontal lobe damage. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it JT.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-10-15 01:29 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]imahori, 2005-10-15 01:30 am UTC
I believe the letter said pre-orders. - [info]quad9damage, 2005-10-15 01:45 am UTC
Re: I believe the letter said pre-orders. - [info]catch_33, 2005-10-15 01:49 am UTC
The Warriors and GTA: Liberty Stories is still being released this month... - [info]kungfu_tse, 2005-10-15 03:54 am UTC
Re: The Warriors and GTA: Liberty Stories is still being released this month... - [info]catch_33, 2005-10-15 04:14 am UTC
Re: The Warriors and GTA: Liberty Stories is still being released this month... - [info]hilaryduffgta, 2005-10-15 04:17 am UTC
Re: The Warriors and GTA: Liberty Stories is still being released this month... - [info]cowboybeboper42, 2005-10-15 04:52 am UTC
Re: The Warriors and GTA: Liberty Stories is still being released this month... - [info]joshdavis271, 2005-10-15 10:31 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]psyco_chick32, 2005-10-15 03:42 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-10-15 05:04 pm UTC

[info]imahori
2005-10-15 01:28 am UTC (link)
Jack Thompson actually thinks he's a paladin going out to battle the evil sorcerer to save the kingdom. Holy fucking crap.

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[info]catch_33
2005-10-15 01:29 am UTC (link)
You know, maybe he does play video games?

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(no subject) - [info]joshdavis271, 2005-10-15 10:32 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]automancer, 2005-10-15 03:14 pm UTC
Heh heh heh
[info]metoollhead
2005-10-15 01:36 am UTC (link)
PA put it best into words: The guy's just batshit fucking loco.

The "Calling hitler a Nazi" part totally cracked me up XD

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